Interesting video, about a few things most never think about. Or would think about once lockstep takes hole.
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Why do you believe what you believe?
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There is an old saying "you are what you eat". I would say that stands for the both the physical and the mental condition. If you eat bad food you barf and no longer trust that food. When you eat bad info the reaction is not as strong. So it can be said that it is easier to poison the mind, than the body.
Because my gub'mint, my church, and corporate America, tell me what to believe and I trust them.?
The power of disinformation is very real.
www.nytimes.com
As a young man, Mr. Putin served in the K.G.B., the Soviet Union’s main intelligence agency, from 1975 to 1991. He worked in foreign intelligence, which required its officers to spend a quarter of their time conceiving and implementing plans for sowing disinformation. What Mr. Putin accomplished is unclear. But public accounts show that he rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel, and that his 16-year tenure coincided with a major K.G.B. operation to deflect attention from Moscow’s secret arsenal of biological weapons, which it built in contravention of a treaty signed with the United States in 1972.
Putin’s Long War Against American Science (Published 2020)
A decade of health disinformation promoted by President Vladimir Putin of Russia has sown wide confusion, hurt major institutions and encouraged the spread of deadly illnesses.
As a young man, Mr. Putin served in the K.G.B., the Soviet Union’s main intelligence agency, from 1975 to 1991. He worked in foreign intelligence, which required its officers to spend a quarter of their time conceiving and implementing plans for sowing disinformation. What Mr. Putin accomplished is unclear. But public accounts show that he rose to the rank of lieutenant colonel, and that his 16-year tenure coincided with a major K.G.B. operation to deflect attention from Moscow’s secret arsenal of biological weapons, which it built in contravention of a treaty signed with the United States in 1972.
Because I can read and understand what I read. I can also think for myself. I don't need/want someone to tell me what to believe.
Most people are asleep at the wheel, busy fighting over scraps, distracted by squirrels...
Discernment is sadly lacking.
Discernment is sadly lacking.
Looked interesting but Im on Hotspot from my phone and only have 25 gigabites to work with. couldnt afford it...giga speaking.
“You are young yet, my friend,” replied my host, “but the time will arrive when you will learn to judge for yourself of what is going on in the world, without trusting to the gossip of others. Believe nothing you hear, and only one half that you see. "
-Edgar Allan Poe
-Edgar Allan Poe
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Just replace the word "ninja" in the following passage with "The Party" or "Party member", and you will see just how the statist bootlickers across the world really think...
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Ninjas can kill anyone they want! Ninjas cut off heads ALL the time and don't even think twice about it. These guys are so crazy and awesome that they flip out ALLthe time. I heard that there was this ninja who was eating at a diner. And when some dude dropped a spoon the ninja killed the whole town. My friend Mark said that he saw a ninja totally uppercut some kid just because the kid opened a window.
And that's what I call REAL Ultimate Power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
If you don't believe that ninjas have REAL Ultimate Power you better get a life right now or they will chop your head off!!! It's an easy choice, if you ask me.
Ninjas are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. These guys are totally awesome and that's a fact. Ninjas are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start yoga next year. I love ninjas with all of my body (including my pee pee).
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A parasite class that took over the brain of greatest nation that ever was.
The ones you see are just the underlings.
While Ill grant you that 90% (or more) of beliefs are conditioning, its not always true. I have had a lot of opinions, or beliefs, concerning deity. At this point all I can say is that "I know" that there is something outside of myself, and I can say that as knowledge, and not belief, because I have, on rare occasion, seen it work in both physical and ethereal reality. To put a name on it, or try to define it, would be the height of arrogance. I dont try to project it to anyone else. I just know.
The CIA and satan controls Hollywood. All this time I thought it was the Jew.
And would you say the same for culture?
Where family, community, education, and experience guide one to their beliefs ?
Where tribal culture is passed down in lifestyle, education, and success rates..
Where one can be taken from that environment and placed in a military experience, and conditioned, placed in a slave labor camp and conditioned, or put in a prison environment and be conditioned, those last three dependent on assimilation to survive, yet the survivors retain their cultural beliefs ?
That a person can be subjected to the cruelest torture and degradation and do horrible or very base things to survive, yet never lose sight of "the good". The belief sustains them through unbelievable conditions and "conditioning" that cannot shake their beliefs.
A case in point, my mixed race vietnamese friend who from 5 years old, survived being orphaned, sent to a re-education camp where the communist tried to kill him, starved and work to death. And who in his 30's escaped. His beliefs are not from 25 years of that hell on earth, but from something else. His beliefs are written in a very old book.
I personally believe it a bit more than conditioning, involving a matter of personal choice.
VR
Ah, figured you may respond and you make good points.
But you only look at conditioning as a negative, with negative consequences. Where conditioning can also be positive and help lead you to truth.
But this can only happen if you have a glimpse at the opposition or the alternate.
In other words if you are not exposed to the alternates at any point in time, then there is no awareness to their existence. And all you would know as truth/belief would be what you were afforded.
i agree, but i only have to look at how many parents are drugging their kids rather than admit they are fucked up parents.
instead they find some fucking "doctor" to tell them their kids aren't spoiled fucktards because of crappy parenting and the kids just need some pills.
so do i trust most people to be smart enough to know when they are being brainwashed?
how many people voted for hillary clinton?
I watched it. I still don’t believe everything it contains
I’d like to know more about who is behind the video. Not a coincidence that it was published in an election year. Making IT propaganda. It was well produced, someone put serious money into it.
The very best propaganda is that which reaffirms beliefs already held.
The artwork was disgusting.!
I’d like to know more about who is behind the video. Not a coincidence that it was published in an election year. Making IT propaganda. It was well produced, someone put serious money into it.
The very best propaganda is that which reaffirms beliefs already held.
The artwork was disgusting.!
Only listed the negative to point out, something instilled a value/belief that allowed the actor to survive the negative I listed.
With the thought in mind, that whatever good was inside, in a short timeline, over rode the longer negative influence.
What method, or manner created this belief that was so deeply instilled that it beat the horrendous long term thing.
Case in point, the pilots who survived the Hanoi Hilton, mentally intact.
Something in them, a belief, along with a short military training/conditioning, allowed them to stay the course, and retain their beliefs.
And while not over emphasizing the negatives, only within conflict, do we find the strength of our belief, the good on it, and the positives.
As in, a challenge, in mentally stable, grounded people, promotes growth.
Something that let's many succeed in life and career.
Food for thought, sometimes needs salt for seasoning, my friend....
I have seven years experience working in an alcohol/drug rehab program and the continuing education required.
And, I find your response, extremely close to my experience, viewing many of those we tried to repurpose, significantly hopeless, and shallow, unable to find depth that gave them a foundation.
Cruelly put, losers and oxygen thieves, who had no business having children, much less subjecting those children to "fucking doctors" and the drugs.
Those people are the lemmings who will follow any belief, party, or leader who feeds their pleasures, giving them the easy ride.
They cannot handle conflict and are blown whichever way the wind blows them. They cannot handle responsibility or nurture their children to be better than them.
They scare me. I cannot see me surviving a world they control.
I left that program questioning my sanity, and for a period, wondered if I could find my sane normal I started with b4 working with that program.
The program was behaviour modification to try to get those people back on track, to accept personal responsibility.
There were successes, but, many more were failures.
For much of that I have no answer acceptable on many boards, and on this one. It is my strongly held belief, that crushing the oldest known written belief system, has lead to the destruction of many of those people you and I are speaking of.
They have no foundation, no anchor, and no depth. And no appreciation of greater love has no one who is willing to lay down their life for another.
And that tenet of belief has allowed many to survive all manner of lifes twists and turns. They do not possess it.
I need to stop now on that subject.... just sayin...
so true.
i grew up catholic, and while i have never received the gift of faith and don't consider myself "religious", i still value the sanctuary it can offer.
they say the roots of faith grow quickly in rocky soil, imho meaning people are more likely to accept god when times are tough and they need something to give them hope and direction. sadly, progressives would deny them even that sliver of hope for salvation.
When a person..... believes the world revolves around them, that they are the most important being, that others should provide them with their wants, desires, pleasures, and get used to having it, .....
When what previously filled that need fails, they turn to things to dull the pain, or provide the missing pleasure. Thus, an addiction to an addictive personality that is highly narcissistic.
Anything that strokes their ego is fair play.
Children are a nuisance and hindrance to their freedom to indulge.
Some do multiple abortions to silence the child.
Some murder the child. Some neglect the living child, leaving an empty shell unfilled. Some drug the child because drugs work for them, aha, will work on the child. And subdue child so the free indulgence can continue.
Politicians that stroke their egos and promise unfettered pleasure guarantee their vote.
People who deny their pleasures receive full brunt of their anger.
A system that denies their pleasures stokes their angers individually and group plurally, and many of them join together in mutual anger and mutual ego stroking, and the problems they cause multiply exponentially.
The prisons are full of such people as are the streets, one having committed a criminal act requiring some enforced restraint, and the others committing no criminal acts but exercising no personal restraint to their agenda to pleasures.
And yet, there are those who do not believe nor follow that "book" but who live by its tenets and practice personal responsibility who are positive examples of a belief that nurtures their children and brings levels of success, because they have a belief that is not solely self centered.
That is a genetic survival trait, to propagate their species. From an unrecognized genetic trait, these people follow a belief that enhances their tribal survival as a people.
And from them, to the strictest believers, a large variance of people in between, all follow the genetic trait that helps them choose responsibility over pleasure.
And, therein, we approach the matter of powerful people, governmental people, who use the psychologies to push agendas.
Everyday on this board, facets of the psychologies are discussed, notably the education system that promotes ideology and beliefs, detrimental to personal responsibility,
along with the many other tools a government uses to further its agenda.
Which gets us here discussing why each of us believe what we do. Interesting complicated.
it is the militant atheists that are most frustrating as they ignore the fact that everything they have was built on fundamental judeo-christian morals.
What I mean is that I will not accept everything in it as true without my own research. I know two or three things that were out of context.
The MAJOR issue I have with this video is that it was funded by someone. Yet no credits are given. It was well produced and cost a significant amount of money. This could be propaganda by Republican operatives. It could be propaganda by Russian Operatives. It could be legitimate. What I really want to know is who funded it.
What I don't believe -
One, #PizzaGate was dreamt up on Reddit and 4Chan. It has been completely debunked over and over.
Below are good articles connecting the dots. (Mind you, I am not a fan of The NY Times)
How an Internet conspiracy theory led a gunman into a DC pizza parlor
Hillary Clinton’s campaign chairman may have lost his handkerchief on Martha’s Vineyard one day in September 2014 – and two years later that incident has spawned a convoluted conspiracy theory involving a supposed pedophilia ring run out of a Washington, D.C., pizza joint.
www.foxnews.com
Dissecting the #PizzaGate Conspiracy Theories (Published 2016)
PizzaGate: How a rumor grew into a fake news storm tailor-made for the internet.
www.nytimes.com
Pizzagate: Anatomy of a Fake News Scandal
The web of conspiracy theorists, Russian operatives, Trump campaigners who manufactured 'news' that Hillary Clinton ran a child-sex ring.
www.rollingstone.com
The saga of 'Pizzagate': The fake story that shows how conspiracy theories spread
Thousands of people are spreading a false rumour about a Washington pizza restaurant and a child sex ring. But why?
www.bbc.com
Two, when referencing John Podesta's "Handkerchief". Only a small portion of the text is quoted. Just enough to make you think it was nefarious. Maybe it is. I looked up the term in various sources and I see no connections to handkerchiefs and pedophilia. Nor do I see a connection with Cheese Pizza. Again, I'm not in the "Know" on those subjects, but it seems suspicious that I can not find those references.
Three, Kevin Shipp has a bone to pick with the CIA. He sued them for personal injury, and the CIA managed to convince the Judge to dismiss the suit. He is also a conspiracy theorist, and has made a career out of speaking about them.
Ex-C.I.A. Agent Goes Public With Story of Mistreatment on the Job (Published 2011)
Kevin M. Shipp said his family was sickened when the government put them in a Texas house where the water was contaminated, and then tried to cover it up.
Kevin Shipp | CIA Whistle Blower | Shadow Government | Deep State
Kevin Shipp - Exposing the Shadow Governmnet that manipulates the elected government behind the scenes, and exposing constitutional violations.
www.fortheloveoffreedom.net
Four, Liz Crokin is a former gossip columnist. She is a follower of QAnon. She has openly stated that JFK is still alive. He faked his death. She is "ate up" with crazy. You couldn't pay me to believe anything she says. She, like Shipp has made a career out of conspiracy theories.
https://www.instagram.com/lizcrokin/.
My goal is not to "Debunk" this video. It's to point out that this video should not be taken at face value. Each viewer should watch it, and research it for themselves. They should come to an educated conclusion.
It's like Christianity. Each person should read the Bible and develop their own relationship with God. They should not rely on what a preacher tells them. If you accept what "preachers" tell you then you'd give all of your money to Tammy Fay and Jim Baker, or Jimmy Swaggart, or Benny Hinn, or the dude on TV selling "Holy Water" that cures crack addiction.
These are my opinions, take them for what they are.
The below, the Tractateus Logico Philosophicus, by Ludwig Wittgenstein, in a nutshell, is how I see it. Interesting that it was written by a gay, atheist, of which I am neither. A mosty interesting study. The link to it in its entirety is below.
Fact, not beliefs are what determine the nature of reality.A 'God' may or may not exist but that is irrelevant to the facts.
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1 The world is everything that is the case.∗ 1.1 The world is the totality of facts, not of things. 1.11 The world is determined by the facts, and by these being all the facts. 1.12 For the totality of facts determines both what is the case, and also all that is not the case. 1.13 The facts in logical space are the world. 1.2 The world divides into facts. 1.21 Any one can either be the case or not be the case, and everything else remain the same. 2 What is the case, the fact, is the existence of atomic facts. 2.01 An atomic fact is a combination of objects (entities, things). 2.011 It is essential to a thing that it can be a constituent part of an atomic fact. 2.012 In logic nothing is accidental: if a thing can occur in an atomic fact the possibility of that atomic fact must already be prejudged in the thing. 2.0121 It would, so to speak, appear as an accident, when to a thing that could exist alone on its own account, subsequently a state of affairs could be made to fit. If things can occur in atomic facts, this possibility must already lie in them
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debunked by who? what agency investigated "pizzagate"? the same one that investigated epstein years ago?
who controls all the news sources you cited?
I think you missed the point of the video. there are not many mainstream news sources, there is one.
i believe the 2 stunt coordinators are the ones behind the video. i will let you know if i find out.
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I get your point. When I say debunked, I mean in my own mind. I have read enough about it to feel that it is untrue. And when I say read, I mean all the way back to Reddit and 4chan which is where it was formulated. I personally feel that PizzaGate is total non-sense. I don't feel that there is any evidence that warrants it being investigated.
That said, I'm not telling you what to believe. This is my personal opinion.
IMO the video is self evident. The point, I believe being made, was not that the World is controlled by Satanic Pedos. The Point was that the media is manipulating all of us with info. That is the self evident part. Self evident because I have lived it and experienced it with my own eyes.
We both saw the same thing, but it seems we both absorbed something different. Birds don't sing in harmony, because they have no conductor. But it seems the media does have one.
We both saw the same thing, but it seems we both absorbed something different. Birds don't sing in harmony, because they have no conductor. But it seems the media does have one.
pizzagate is about things like epstein and NXIVM. You think those have been debunked?
you do know "pizza" "cheese pizza" and "hotdog" are pedo terms known by law enforcement, right?
who gets pizza for an hour?
you can read the entire emails on wikileaks.
i am not really trying to change your mind. believe what you want. i just want to make sure you understand what it is you are denying.
You remember Cheryl Mills https://wikileaks.org/clinton-emails/emailid/14333 Doesn't everyone sacrifice chickens to Moloch?
On this point we can agree. The media, movies, news papers have been coopted over time. They are as you say, attempting to manipulate all of us. I have no doubt about that. I'm just not exactly sure to what end. What is the ultimate goal? To keep us guessing I suppose.
I don't doubt that there are users on this very website who's intentions are to provoke chaos. And, I don't mean Democrat's and Republicans. The Chinese and Russians are most assuredly paying people to troll as many forums as possible. This is one of the reasons I don't use social media.
The great thing about humans is that we have the ability to see things differently, yet find commonality. That's the reason our country has a constitution.
I'm not saying that I understand it all. I certainly can't refute it all. And, I definitely don't know anything about the terms that those evil people use.
But, I can not prove any of it either. I pray for clarity every day (on a multitude of issues). Especially as a parent.
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take good care of your kids. don't let the government get their hands on them.
We Have Set Up System to Sex Traffic American Children
Most child victims of sex trafficking come from our nation's own foster care system.
www.newsweek.com
People worry to much and when you take that last breath you'll understand why you didn't have to worry at all.......
@Thecount - since you say 'debunked by me' now that some time has passed maybe you take a second look at it. Instead of trying eat the elephant that is PizzaGate, just look into some very small things:
- Who is James Alefantis? Who is he connected to in DC? Is that logical? Would you expect it to be a common occurrence for 'a guy' to lease a couple of buildings in DC, mix a little flour and water, smear on some tomato paste, sprinkle on some cheese and then be in the circle that he is? Does it work that way in your community? It doesn't in mine.
- How about the Podesta brothers and their 'art'? Where does it come from? Who created it? What other projects have they done? Does it look like that art would have mass appeal and be worth a lot of money? How many other artists are out there that focus on this genre? Who else buys it?
- What was the true nature of Epstien - what did he really do in this world? Who is Bob Maxwell? Where did Bob's money come from and where did it go? How much money did Epstein have? Where did it go?
- NXIVM / John of God - what was really going on? What are the advantages to children birthed with no record? Who promoted NXIVM and John of God and who are they connected to?
- Who is James Alefantis? Who is he connected to in DC? Is that logical? Would you expect it to be a common occurrence for 'a guy' to lease a couple of buildings in DC, mix a little flour and water, smear on some tomato paste, sprinkle on some cheese and then be in the circle that he is? Does it work that way in your community? It doesn't in mine.
- How about the Podesta brothers and their 'art'? Where does it come from? Who created it? What other projects have they done? Does it look like that art would have mass appeal and be worth a lot of money? How many other artists are out there that focus on this genre? Who else buys it?
- What was the true nature of Epstien - what did he really do in this world? Who is Bob Maxwell? Where did Bob's money come from and where did it go? How much money did Epstein have? Where did it go?
- NXIVM / John of God - what was really going on? What are the advantages to children birthed with no record? Who promoted NXIVM and John of God and who are they connected to?
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