I have been lusting over the FN SCAR for a while now, but im kind of wondering now, what can a SCAR do that a well built AR cant?
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Why FN SCAR?
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Re: Why FN SCAR?
I've heard they're quite a bit more accurate right out of the box but I haven't personally shot one... yet. I'm lookin' to get one soon.
I've heard they're quite a bit more accurate right out of the box but I haven't personally shot one... yet. I'm lookin' to get one soon.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've heard they're quite a bit more accurate right out of the box but I haven't personally shot one... yet. I'm lookin' to get one soon. </div></div>
Internet marketing hype.
A SCAR isn't any more accurate out of the box than a good AR, PERIOD.....
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've heard they're quite a bit more accurate right out of the box but I haven't personally shot one... yet. I'm lookin' to get one soon. </div></div>
Internet marketing hype.
A SCAR isn't any more accurate out of the box than a good AR, PERIOD.....
Re: Why FN SCAR?
I have one.
Rock solid reliable, heat isn't an option, side folding stock is a smaller package, and the stock is more ergonomic. Side charging handle is much more convenient to operate, especially when prone.
I have one.
Rock solid reliable, heat isn't an option, side folding stock is a smaller package, and the stock is more ergonomic. Side charging handle is much more convenient to operate, especially when prone.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
I dont really see anything better about it vs most high end AR's. Although I havent shot one, while playing with it at Shot it felt pretty nice and user friendly. That being said I wouldnt spend the money on the 16 because there are so many other options for 5.56, but I will be buying the 17H as I think that it is a great option as a battle rifle. JMO
I dont really see anything better about it vs most high end AR's. Although I havent shot one, while playing with it at Shot it felt pretty nice and user friendly. That being said I wouldnt spend the money on the 16 because there are so many other options for 5.56, but I will be buying the 17H as I think that it is a great option as a battle rifle. JMO
Re: Why FN SCAR?
Handle one, and you'll like it. They just feel thin, if that makes sense. They are light, and have a very nice feel when shooting. I'm SBR'ing mine, then it will be perfect.
Handle one, and you'll like it. They just feel thin, if that makes sense. They are light, and have a very nice feel when shooting. I'm SBR'ing mine, then it will be perfect.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The civilian version has no real advantage in my opinion, </div></div>
Looks much cooler when your buddies take pictures of you all kitted out and in your multicam bunny suit to post online.......
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Graham</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The civilian version has no real advantage in my opinion, </div></div>
Looks much cooler when your buddies take pictures of you all kitted out and in your multicam bunny suit to post online.......
Re: Why FN SCAR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've heard they're quite a bit more accurate right out of the box but I haven't personally shot one... yet. I'm lookin' to get one soon. </div></div>
Internet marketing hype.
A SCAR isn't any more accurate out of the box than a good AR, PERIOD..... </div></div>
Not necessarily to refute what you're saying because like I said, I haven't shot one yet... But my information came from reviews. Not advertisements. Granted, reviews can be bias too. I read a couple reviews that claimed Sub-MOA accuracy at 100 yds. None of my 16" AR's can do that. But to be fair they also didn't cost as much. Not by a long-shot.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: oneshot onekill</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I've heard they're quite a bit more accurate right out of the box but I haven't personally shot one... yet. I'm lookin' to get one soon. </div></div>
Internet marketing hype.
A SCAR isn't any more accurate out of the box than a good AR, PERIOD..... </div></div>
Not necessarily to refute what you're saying because like I said, I haven't shot one yet... But my information came from reviews. Not advertisements. Granted, reviews can be bias too. I read a couple reviews that claimed Sub-MOA accuracy at 100 yds. None of my 16" AR's can do that. But to be fair they also didn't cost as much. Not by a long-shot.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks much cooler when your buddies take pictures of you all kitted out and in your multicam bunny suit to post online....... </div></div>I think you've hit on a new marketing strategy:
"The FN SCAR: Because it doesn't yet come in Camo."
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Looks much cooler when your buddies take pictures of you all kitted out and in your multicam bunny suit to post online....... </div></div>I think you've hit on a new marketing strategy:
"The FN SCAR: Because it doesn't yet come in Camo."
Re: Why FN SCAR?
I have a LWRC, and Noveske to compare my SCAR to...
Honestly, I couldn't tell you the SCAR is more accurate. I do know that it's not crazy inaccurate. They all have Aimpoints on top, and I don't shoot them for groups. If they hit pie plates at 100yds, I'm happy.
I think it handles better, and feels better. You have to be conscious of a few things if you're used to running AR's. Front hand placement is a big one, or else the charging handle will get ya. I put a Magpul AFG up front, and it forces me to keep my thumb out of the way. You could switch the handle to the other side, but then racking and clearing get weird to me. Some PMAGS don't drop free from mine, but all the EMAGS do. The safety selector is short, but Magpul make a replacement that's more like a nice AR version.
All that being said, if I could only have one 556 carbine, the SCAR wouldn't be it. No aftermarket for it, and parts availability is a problem ( both so far)
I have a LWRC, and Noveske to compare my SCAR to...
Honestly, I couldn't tell you the SCAR is more accurate. I do know that it's not crazy inaccurate. They all have Aimpoints on top, and I don't shoot them for groups. If they hit pie plates at 100yds, I'm happy.
I think it handles better, and feels better. You have to be conscious of a few things if you're used to running AR's. Front hand placement is a big one, or else the charging handle will get ya. I put a Magpul AFG up front, and it forces me to keep my thumb out of the way. You could switch the handle to the other side, but then racking and clearing get weird to me. Some PMAGS don't drop free from mine, but all the EMAGS do. The safety selector is short, but Magpul make a replacement that's more like a nice AR version.
All that being said, if I could only have one 556 carbine, the SCAR wouldn't be it. No aftermarket for it, and parts availability is a problem ( both so far)
Re: Why FN SCAR?
Without knowing what kind of barrels your 16" AR's have or what kind of ammo you feed them, you may or may not get better accuracy from anything.
If I have an 16" AR that won't shoot moa when a good AR shooter is on the trigger with good ammo, there is something wrong with the rifle.
Without knowing what kind of barrels your 16" AR's have or what kind of ammo you feed them, you may or may not get better accuracy from anything.
If I have an 16" AR that won't shoot moa when a good AR shooter is on the trigger with good ammo, there is something wrong with the rifle.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
Interesting that you can get different observations depending on who you ask. I've been on an M4 site as well as another AR site asking if it was normal for a 16" AR with A 1:7" twist to only be able to group right around MOA. I have such an AR. The response from both sites was that generally 16" AR's of decent quality (Colt for example) would generally shoot 1.5-2 MOA but not usually much better. I thought I had a good one at MOA. Ya live and learn!
Interesting that you can get different observations depending on who you ask. I've been on an M4 site as well as another AR site asking if it was normal for a 16" AR with A 1:7" twist to only be able to group right around MOA. I have such an AR. The response from both sites was that generally 16" AR's of decent quality (Colt for example) would generally shoot 1.5-2 MOA but not usually much better. I thought I had a good one at MOA. Ya live and learn!
Re: Why FN SCAR?
I don't shoot tracers or kick in doors for a living, so I don't own any chrome lined 1:7 AR's, so my opinion may mean diddly squat. Precision rifles have destroyed my tolerance for inaccurate rifles, and having friends that build AR's that shoot great make me realize noone needs to settle for crappy shooting barrels just because mil-spec is 1.5 moa (radius!).
I'll let the infantry experts debate the practical troop aspects of the AR/SCAR, but there is no need for most of the membership here to settle for poor accuracy in a handy, reliable 556 stoner bolted system.
I don't shoot tracers or kick in doors for a living, so I don't own any chrome lined 1:7 AR's, so my opinion may mean diddly squat. Precision rifles have destroyed my tolerance for inaccurate rifles, and having friends that build AR's that shoot great make me realize noone needs to settle for crappy shooting barrels just because mil-spec is 1.5 moa (radius!).
I'll let the infantry experts debate the practical troop aspects of the AR/SCAR, but there is no need for most of the membership here to settle for poor accuracy in a handy, reliable 556 stoner bolted system.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
decent civlian ar15=FN SCAR
military m4/m16<FN SCAR
alot of civilian ar15 are built better than military ar15. have to remember that military goes to lowest bidder. I built my ar15 and I can tell you mine out shoots any m4 i've held.
decent civlian ar15=FN SCAR
military m4/m16<FN SCAR
alot of civilian ar15 are built better than military ar15. have to remember that military goes to lowest bidder. I built my ar15 and I can tell you mine out shoots any m4 i've held.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
Here is a great review from a real operator level not some biased magazine review. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=280622&page=1
Here is a great review from a real operator level not some biased magazine review. http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=2&t=280622&page=1
Re: Why FN SCAR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: poorboyshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">whats agood price to pay for one </div></div>Four dollars would be a good price.
I would be willing to pay more than that, though.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: poorboyshooter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">whats agood price to pay for one </div></div>Four dollars would be a good price.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
I like mine also. By the time you buy an ar, then a gas system, then a quad rail and BUIS, you just about have purchased a SCAR anyway. Feels good, shoots good, and looks good.
I like mine also. By the time you buy an ar, then a gas system, then a quad rail and BUIS, you just about have purchased a SCAR anyway. Feels good, shoots good, and looks good.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
A Noveske which costs a little less will out shoot the SCAR every day of the week IMO...
A Noveske which costs a little less will out shoot the SCAR every day of the week IMO...
Re: Why FN SCAR?
That review was great. I'm having second thoughts about getting one now, I didn't know that the charging handle was plastic.
That review was great. I'm having second thoughts about getting one now, I didn't know that the charging handle was plastic.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't shoot tracers or kick in doors for a living, so I don't own any chrome lined 1:7 AR's, so my opinion may mean diddly squat. Precision rifles have destroyed my tolerance for inaccurate rifles, and having friends that build AR's that shoot great make me realize noone needs to settle for crappy shooting barrels just because mil-spec is 1.5 moa (radius!).
I'll let the infantry experts debate the practical troop aspects of the AR/SCAR, but there is no need for most of the membership here to settle for poor accuracy in a handy, reliable 556 stoner bolted system.
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I'm with ya on the accuracy... And I don't kick down doors for a living either. I'm finding myself less and less tolerant of inaccuracy in my weapons. I'm not happy if I'm not hitting nickels at 300yds at least once in 5 shots. I rarely shoot the AR anymore and I've owned so many of them that I want something different. The accuracy I read about was a big factor in my leaning toward the SCAR 16. I've also been kickin' around the FS2000 as another option... Just to be different.
I will say this, there are TONS more aftermarket parts and accessories as well as high grade barrels for an AR than ANY other Semi-Auto format.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: sobrbiker883</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I don't shoot tracers or kick in doors for a living, so I don't own any chrome lined 1:7 AR's, so my opinion may mean diddly squat. Precision rifles have destroyed my tolerance for inaccurate rifles, and having friends that build AR's that shoot great make me realize noone needs to settle for crappy shooting barrels just because mil-spec is 1.5 moa (radius!).
I'll let the infantry experts debate the practical troop aspects of the AR/SCAR, but there is no need for most of the membership here to settle for poor accuracy in a handy, reliable 556 stoner bolted system.
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I'm with ya on the accuracy... And I don't kick down doors for a living either. I'm finding myself less and less tolerant of inaccuracy in my weapons. I'm not happy if I'm not hitting nickels at 300yds at least once in 5 shots. I rarely shoot the AR anymore and I've owned so many of them that I want something different. The accuracy I read about was a big factor in my leaning toward the SCAR 16. I've also been kickin' around the FS2000 as another option... Just to be different.
I will say this, there are TONS more aftermarket parts and accessories as well as high grade barrels for an AR than ANY other Semi-Auto format.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
"I've owned so many of them that I want something different" That what is driving me.
"I've owned so many of them that I want something different" That what is driving me.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LSUbeatUby40</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A Noveske which costs a little less will out shoot the SCAR every day of the week IMO... </div></div>
Now that depends on the shooter.
I have the 16S and I love it, I will always own an AR but the SCAR is quickly becoming my favorite. Its just a fun rifle to shoot and extremely easy to clean/maintain.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: LSUbeatUby40</div><div class="ubbcode-body">A Noveske which costs a little less will out shoot the SCAR every day of the week IMO... </div></div>
Now that depends on the shooter.
I have the 16S and I love it, I will always own an AR but the SCAR is quickly becoming my favorite. Its just a fun rifle to shoot and extremely easy to clean/maintain.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turnandshoot4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That review was great. I'm having second thoughts about getting one now, I didn't know that the charging handle was plastic. </div></div>It's not.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: turnandshoot4</div><div class="ubbcode-body">That review was great. I'm having second thoughts about getting one now, I didn't know that the charging handle was plastic. </div></div>It's not.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
A bit of a shameless plug here, but I am currently selling mine at a reasonable price, for anyone interested in trying the platform out: http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2044393#Post2044393
A bit of a shameless plug here, but I am currently selling mine at a reasonable price, for anyone interested in trying the platform out: http://snipershide.com/forum/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=2044393#Post2044393
Re: Why FN SCAR?
I had an Arsenal AK in 556 with a cold hammer forged barrel made on steyr machinery that was scary accurate for a battle rifle, and ate anything anytime anywhere.
Never should have traded it away.....
I had an Arsenal AK in 556 with a cold hammer forged barrel made on steyr machinery that was scary accurate for a battle rifle, and ate anything anytime anywhere.
Never should have traded it away.....
Re: Why FN SCAR?
ARs are the ultimate lego rifle and can have the best barrels (and other components) on the planet put in them: by the owner. Name one new-fangled rifle that allows you to put in your choice of barrel, trigger, handguard, buttstock, sights, etc?
AR's have been used in combat longer than any other US rifle: the DI system must not be that bad. Furthermore, the lack of a piston gives an AR the incredibly ergonomic feel we all know and love.
With a top-notch barrel, properly chambered/assembled, an AR sets the standard for accuracy among semi-auto rifles. What non-bolt rifle in 5.56 (or 308 out to 600) has proven to be more accurate than an AR? None. What are the winners at 3-gun matches using? ARs. What wins service rifle competitions at 200, 300, 600 when you pit the M-14, M-16s, and M1 against each other: M-16.
Let's face it. The M16/AR15 is the standard to beat in so many aspects. There are some cool new rifles out there, but it's a stretch to claim they are better in any measurable ways. If they are better, then I'd expect them to start dominating some competitions: haven't seen that yet.
ARs are the ultimate lego rifle and can have the best barrels (and other components) on the planet put in them: by the owner. Name one new-fangled rifle that allows you to put in your choice of barrel, trigger, handguard, buttstock, sights, etc?
AR's have been used in combat longer than any other US rifle: the DI system must not be that bad. Furthermore, the lack of a piston gives an AR the incredibly ergonomic feel we all know and love.
With a top-notch barrel, properly chambered/assembled, an AR sets the standard for accuracy among semi-auto rifles. What non-bolt rifle in 5.56 (or 308 out to 600) has proven to be more accurate than an AR? None. What are the winners at 3-gun matches using? ARs. What wins service rifle competitions at 200, 300, 600 when you pit the M-14, M-16s, and M1 against each other: M-16.
Let's face it. The M16/AR15 is the standard to beat in so many aspects. There are some cool new rifles out there, but it's a stretch to claim they are better in any measurable ways. If they are better, then I'd expect them to start dominating some competitions: haven't seen that yet.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
after buying a scar, and stripping it apart and looking at it, i decided that it is over priced for what it is. its almost ak simple internally. it should have been priced at $1200 msrp. but marketing has pushed its price over $2000. the reciprocating bolt handle just sucks, they could have engineered something better for the price. the stock isnt the sturdiest thing ive seen, definately couldnt butt stroke someone with it. you need gloves to hold on to the lower rail, it does get hot after a good string of rounds. the flip up sights seem unnecessarily high, but after all that... its still cool.
after buying a scar, and stripping it apart and looking at it, i decided that it is over priced for what it is. its almost ak simple internally. it should have been priced at $1200 msrp. but marketing has pushed its price over $2000. the reciprocating bolt handle just sucks, they could have engineered something better for the price. the stock isnt the sturdiest thing ive seen, definately couldnt butt stroke someone with it. you need gloves to hold on to the lower rail, it does get hot after a good string of rounds. the flip up sights seem unnecessarily high, but after all that... its still cool.
Re: Why FN SCAR?
Why FN SCAR????
I'll tell you why....
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=62889
A shameless plug for a review I just completed. I will post it on here as well when I get a little bit of time.
Why FN SCAR????
I'll tell you why....
http://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=62889
A shameless plug for a review I just completed. I will post it on here as well when I get a little bit of time.
