Why NOT to buy a SCAR

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#1
Well, I guess the SCAR went down quite a few notches since I cannot ever replace the barrel. Why even shoot it? I cant even get the 16" version. My only hopes are that a 3rd party makes some replacement barrels. CMMG I hear might. Why make a claimed modular rifle, if you cannot even replace the barrel. At least bushmaster should make barrels for the ACR.

Here is an email I got from FNH USA on the SCAR 16s:

Ben,
The SCAR 16S is made in Belgium and Imported into the USA. Imports are governed by US Customs Import Regulations that prohibit the importation of barrels alone for the Commercial Sales.
SCAR MK16’s and 17 ‘s, Select Fire are for the US Military and American Law Enforcement and the importation of barrels are not affected by the US Customs.

Thank you!

Bob Ailes
Customer Support Manager
703-288-3500 ext. 122
[email protected]
 
#2
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

A smart company would either start producing barrels here, or procure appropriate domestic-production barrels for its CUSTOMERS.

Sometimes the reasons given to not do something are mere valid excuses. Perhaps domestic production is not feasible for the volume of units to be made under current .mil contracts, and the added civilian sales won't push the cost recovery curve over the top. But I wonder whether such analysis ever includes the added savings of moving the foreign production here, streamlining the "just-in-time" inventory process, and the slim possibility of tax savings if the Euro system is as anti-business as some here would have us believe and if the tax structure here hasn't descended to become the equal of the Euro-Trash environment.

So, I remain skeptical when the follow-up question is answered with "we would lose money by going with U.S. production."
 
#6
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Bacarrat</div><div class="ubbcode-body">They can't get the colors to match, you expect them to make extra barrels too? </div></div>

Too true, plus the one I have they forgot to the the cutting lube off before anodizing. How did they ever win a Gov. contract. Something tells me the money that should have been spent on QC was put in an envelope and slipped to uncle sam to win the contract.

the only with another mfg making these barrels is the FN gas block, I guess now ill have to remove it each time i want a different barrel which eliminates its modularity purposes of a quick change barrel system.

XCR, ACR, and MSAr are looking better.
 
#7
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

I'm actually curious about the "imported from Belgium" part. How'd they get around Bush I's 1989 import ban, and import it in its configuration as sold, if that is indeed the case? I mean, look what happened to the HK G36 on its way to become an SL8 when imported here, or all the Saigas with their "sporting" stocks.
 
#9
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is a nice big thread on ar15.com about FNh becoming the next HK.

I certainly never saw this coming when I purchased this rifle.

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Saw it, and I must admit for me a 16" SCAR is essentially worthless. It is designed to be an SBR and unless FN will make it possible to convert the weapon to an SBR it is worthless to me.
 
#10
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: decodeddiesel</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">There is a nice big thread on ar15.com about FNh becoming the next HK.

I certainly never saw this coming when I purchased this rifle.

</div></div>

Saw it, and I must admit for me a 16" SCAR is essentially worthless. It is designed to be an SBR and unless FN will make it possible to convert the weapon to an SBR it is worthless to me. </div></div>

My thoughts as well. Im glad I left mine unfired. Im thinking its next on the chopping block.
 
#13
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These things come with barrels that will probably last 30k rounds. I think by then, there will be barrels out there. </div></div>

srsly? where'd u hear that?
 
#14
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: beenjammin</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Well, I guess the SCAR went down quite a few notches since I cannot ever replace the barrel. Why even shoot it? I cant even get the 16" version. My only hopes are that a 3rd party makes some replacement barrels. CMMG I hear might. Why make a claimed modular rifle, if you cannot even replace the barrel. At least bushmaster should make barrels for the ACR.

Here is an email I got from FNH USA on the SCAR 16s:

Ben,
The SCAR 16S is made in Belgium and Imported into the USA. Imports are governed by US Customs Import Regulations that prohibit the importation of barrels alone for the Commercial Sales.
SCAR MK16’s and 17 ‘s, Select Fire are for the US Military and American Law Enforcement and the importation of barrels are not affected by the US Customs.

Thank you!

Bob Ailes
Customer Support Manager
703-288-3500 ext. 122
[email protected]
</div></div>


what do you think of the SCAR compared to the M4??? would love to hear your feedback. thanks
 
#15
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These things come with barrels that will probably last 30k rounds. I think by then, there will be barrels out there. </div></div>

srsly? where'd u hear that? </div></div>

How long does a Hammer Forged barrel last? A chrome lined barrel will last at least 20k, so I'm pretty sure a hammer forged will last a little longer.
 
#16
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

I would stay with the M4 type. the barrels are easily replaceable. You can go high end with Noveske, White Oak, Centurion, etc. or affordable with RRA or Model 1; so many options. I really don't like that reciprocating charging on the SCAR. I tried it and i got hurt a couple of times. I have a high index on the gun so it hits me. I would trade the SCAR for an ACR at least Bushmaster and Remington combined will have barrels out there sooner.
 
#17
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

Making a barrel is not the issue. Im more worried about the gas block they are using. Its the same one as on the FS2000 rifle. So a barrel mfg would have to make some compliant gas block, or a user could go to the trouble of tryng to uninstall their own gas block and reinstall it on a new barrel which is definitely not modular as was the whole point of the SCAR rifle system.

In reality the scar is a plastic, less hands friendly version of a piston driven Ar15 with a folding stock. I thought I was buying a unique rifle system that revolved around its modularity, but I was wrong.
 
#18
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: HD1911</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: paulosantos</div><div class="ubbcode-body">These things come with barrels that will probably last 30k rounds. I think by then, there will be barrels out there. </div></div>

srsly? where'd u hear that? </div></div>

How long does a Hammer Forged barrel last? A chrome lined barrel will last at least 20k, so I'm pretty sure a hammer forged will last a little longer. </div></div>

I was just curious cause i had heard chrome lined barrels only lasted roughly 8K.
 
#20
Re: Why NOT to buy a SCAR

I have been beating the snot out of my SCAR and it keeps on ticking. FN won the contract based off of what they are providing the Military, not what they are selling to the civi market. It is a matter of time before barrels will be available. I would be willing to bet there are a few companies working on it now just because the demand is there.

I think it is silly to call FN the new HK. Hell I know dozens of people with SCARs but I only know one with a 416 and I rarely see the 416 in classes of on the range. Further more, have you seen the price on a 416? Compare it to a SCAR, it is drasitically different. Hell, a year ago we saw SCARs on Gun Broker for $5k and higher, now I see them regularly priced under $2300, I purchased mine for far less.
 
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