Winchester M1D

[sport10990]

Good morning all!

Looking through the pages and didn't see much about M1D's. My CMP Winchester M1D is finally complete. I am the second owner of this rifle. I searched for months to find it as I was looking for a Winchester (was really hoping for a Win-13, but that was hoping for a lot). The rifle came from the CMP as a Greek return, and as such, had the black finish and I did not like that. I sent it to Shuff's for a repark job and at just under 3 months, it came back. Wow! I was amazed by Shuff's work and it turned out beautiful and looked USGI again. I had a beautiful "correct" matching stock set for it waiting that I had purchased off the CMP forums. It has a closed box SA with RA cartouches. Once I got the stock on, I put on all the accessories. All the accessories are USGI, even down to the cheek pad screws. The sling matches the date to the cheek pad and the barrel is a 8-52 and the muzzle gauges at less than one with a bright shiny bore and she shoots great. I'm assuming after the conversion, she was put away into storage or used very little. I just dialed in the scope at 100, but have some more tweaking to do. Below is the link to the album. Enjoy!

https://imgur.com/gallery/Nrg9dbN

 

[Steelhead]

That's awesome!!

 

[sandwarrior]

Outstanding rifle sport10990! I just went through the gallery and it's a very amazing copy. If you get a chance, range pics and groups would really ice the cake here.

 

[sport10990]

Outstanding rifle sport10990! I just went through the gallery and it's a very amazing copy. If you get a chance, range pics and groups would really ice the cake here.

Here it is at 100 yards. Its multiple enbloc clips but groupings were good but I was adjusting the scope in between each few shots and clips so that's why its all over the black. But I might take it deer hunting and I feel confident with a 100 yard shot on a deer with where it is now but next time I go out, I'm going to tweak it some more.

 

[kraigWY]

I dont know why you would limit your shots to 100 yards.

I taught sniper schools using the M1C/D's. With the right ammo (geared to the scope) they are good for 900 yards. The marks on the scope are set at 50 yard increments. Sight the rifle in at 100 yards, set the scope to 100 yards and you're good to go.

I dont have a C or D, but both my M1s shoot well enough with irons I wouldnt have any problem using it to 500+ on deer size animals.

I do have an 'A4 with a 2.5 X scope, I've shoot enough vintage sniper matches to know it would work great on deer at 600.

Those Cs and Ds shoot a lot better then people think.

 

[sport10990]

I dont know why you would limit your shots to 100 yards.

I taught sniper schools using the M1C/D's. With the right ammo (geared to the scope) they are good for 900 yards. The marks on the scope are set at 50 yard increments. Sight the rifle in at 100 yards, set the scope to 100 yards and you're good to go.

I dont have a C or D, but both my M1s shoot well enough with irons I wouldnt have any problem using it to 500+ on deer size animals.

I do have an 'A4 with a 2.5 X scope, I've shoot enough vintage sniper matches to know it would work great on deer at 600.

Those Cs and Ds shoot a lot better then people think.

Yes I’m well aware of that. I only had 100 yards to play with and this was my target as I was zeroing it at 100

 

[Pinmaster]

Very nice looking M1D... Makes me want one even more. A C or D is on my list of future guns.

 

[kujuak]

I have one of these. what is "the right ammo" bullet weight powder/charge?I'm not hating groups like OP with LC GI ball.

Thanks!

 

[sandwarrior]

I have one of these. what is "the right ammo" bullet weight powder/charge?I'm not hating groups like OP with LC GI ball.

Thanks!

173 Match...

 

[kraigWY]

The M1C/D's M-84 scope sight settings were designed to use the M-2 Ball Ammo (150 gr). According to Gen. Hatcher's "Book of the Garand" they didnt compare the M-72 (173 gr Match), but he did compare the M2-AP (168.5 gr) which was used for accuracy at distance.

According to hatcher angle of departure between the two was M-2 44.6* and the M-2 AP was 46.2* at 1000 yards.

Not much of a difference. In the sniper schools we used the M-72 Match, oh E-silhouette (19X40) targets so the difference wasnt a factor.

 

[sandwarrior]

This stuff...

 

[Forgetful Coyote]

@kraigWY - will a match tuned Garand outshoot a stock '03? As in bedded, unitized gas system, etc..

 

[kraigWY]

Forgetful Coyote: Depends on the Match Garand and the '03. I gonna bet (on the average) on the M1903A3 assuming a good barrel. The sights advantage goes to the M1, but if you have good tight sights on the 'A3 thats out the window.

My M1903A3 with proper ammo can compete with my Heavy Match M1A. The problem (with my 'A3) is the sights aren't real tight, they tend to work down when I try to shoot past 600 yards. With the correct sights the 'A3 is good for 800 yards. Thats where the M1/M1A starts to walk away.

Its hard to beat the M1903 Action. Thats why it was chosen for the Mann Device (used to test Army ammo). I've know '03 Mann's in 308, '06. 45 ACP, 30 Carbine, and 22 Hornet. There are a lot of actions out there, but the '03 was picked for a reason.

Just for giggles, I put a Weaver T-10 on my 'A4, it was a completely different ballgame. With a modern scope and good barrel I think the 'A4 can compete against the fancy sniper rifles we have out there today.

 

[pmclaine]

Kraigwy will be able to call "bs" on what I am about to say but its my understanding you can get a touch better accuracy with your rifle by losing the flash hider.

I read 'hear say" that the two types of FH were detrimental to accuracy.

Unsure if that applied more to the pronged FH over the cone. I understand the "prong" FH rang like tuning forks after firing.

Its a great accessory but unless you are worried about flash giving away your hide you may tighten up your groups with out the FH attached.

 

[sport10990]

Kraigwy will be able to call "bs" on what I am about to say but its my understanding you can get a touch better accuracy with your rifle by losing the flash hider.

I read 'hear say" that the two types of FH were detrimental to accuracy.

Unsure if that applied more to the pronged FH over the cone. I understand the "prong" FH rang like tuning forks after firing.

Its a great accessory but unless you are worried about flash giving away your hide you may tighten up your groups with out the FH attached.

Claine,

That is true. The M2 Flash Hider (Cone) does throw off the barrel harmonics and people who have ran tests have shown that it does open your groups up by at least an inch at 100 yards. That is one of the reasons the T37 was switched to and many GI's didn't even use the cone. When I shoot my M1D, I do not shoot with it on for that reason. I chose it over the T37 however because 1) My rifle has no rebuild stamps on the legs not indicating it was a later 60's rebuild 2) I put a beautiful closed box SA with RA cartouche stock on the rifle. The stock is the most accepted stock for being "correct" for a M1D because Raritan Arsenal did most of the conversions in the early 50's when the M2 Flash Hider would have been issued. 3) My cheek pad and sling both match for month and year of Feb 1952, which is when the M2 was being used. and 4) I think it looks cooler/more odd and draws more attention than a T37. And yes, the T37 does ring like a tuning fork after every shot. Also, the M2 Flash Hider was used more to protect the shooter from the flash and be able to keep his vision during the night more than protecting the flash from the enemy.

 

[kraigWY]

I'm not calling BS, we ditched the cone flash hiders. The prong weren't too bad but if I had a M1C/D I'd get rid of the flash hiders altogether. You'll really see shots going to hades with those cone jobs.