World gone mad: California Gets One Right

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Charge Inmates To Stay In Jail? Riverside County Eyes $5M Revenue Boost

RIVERSIDE (CBS) — If you do the time in Riverside County, you better have the dime to pay for it.

KNX 1070′s Mike Landa reports that’s the driving sentiment behind one Riverside County supervisor’s efforts to charge jail inmates for their time in custody.

<span style="font-weight: bold"><span style="color: #FF0000">Supervisor Jeff Stone introduced an ordinance this week seeking reimbursements for the cost of jailing inmates that an estimated $143 dollars per day.</span></span>

Stone told the Riverside Press Enterprise the county could reap as much as a $5 million windfall from the move.

If an inmate is unable to cover the costs, the county would put a lien against any real property they may own.

“And we have probably about 25 percent of people that do white-collar crimes in this county, and those are the ones that are going to be put in the county jails, they’re going to be required to pay for their costs,” said Stone.

Stone also hoped to charge a fee to all visitors to county prisons, but lawyers argued such a move would be unconstitutional.

http://losangeles.cbslocal.com/2011/11/0...-revenue-boost/


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But the comments people are leaving makes me realize that this is just a rogue person (must be from another state) just living in Cali and Cali is still a black-hole.
 
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If the ordinance passes, and it should, expect it to be challenged, injunctioned (if that's a word), and overturned within about a month. 'A' for effort, but CA is too screwed up to let common sense gain a toehold.
 
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so, if someone convicted of a crime cannot pay in cash, the state is going to take whatever the convicted person has left as payment. so by doing this, after the convicted has paid their their debt to society, they will have nothing left to help them return to some sort of normalcy.

the prison system is already fucked up in their ability to return people to society as normal citizens....this seems like it would add to the problem.
 
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Its kinda funny how people react/respond to things that they think don't pertain to them. When a state or federal tax (cause this is just another tax) comes along that doesn't affect some people the people that it doesn't affect are all for it.

What you people need to realize is that its not the actual item that is the concern , its the fact that we are letting them go one step further in charging us for something else.

It will end up us paying tax for doing banking transactions or the military paying for their own health care or just having the privilege to be able to live on this freakin ground.

Doesn't matter what it is being taxed on now that wasn't before, it needs to stop.

Bottom line...when are we gonna actually stand up and say "NO MORE TAX"
 
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What a great Idea. Now when budgets are tight at the prison, all they have to do is round a few wealthy people up and throw them in jail. Then those people will be levied for the cost of keeping the prison running. I can't see how this is a bad idea. /sarcasm
 
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Any effort to bill for costs at their source rather than some diffuse, ephemeral, roundabout method that pretends to defer, or otherwise recover them, is irresponsible and chiefly responsible for the massive deficits we have.

Were it not for the pet projects and monuments to egos foisted upon us by legislators and municipal, county, state and federal Judges, agencies and executives, there would be far less "Need" for the shameful level of deficit spending.

It only follows then that the next utterances by the spenders is to want to increase levels of taxation rather than effectively target waste and inefficiency with cuts in those expenses and charging for the costs at their source.

In the case of properly detained inmates*, this is a no brainer: No wonder it's considered groundbreaking!

*
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Yasherka</div><div class="ubbcode-body">If the ordinance passes, and it should, expect it to be challenged, injunctioned (if that's a word), and overturned within about a month. 'A' for effort, but CA is too screwed up to let common sense gain a toehold. </div></div>

I agree, it'll never get off the ground but at least somebody is thinking outside of the box. It reminds me of the sheriff down in AZ.

P.S. 'enjoin/ed' is the word you're looking for.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Greg Langelius *</div><div class="ubbcode-body">So..., don't do the crime if ya can't do the time...

Funny..., it's such a simple concept... </div></div>


You can believe what you want - but sometimes it's just not that simple.


Who here can truly say they've never done anything that couldn't have landed them in hot water? Never fudged a little deduction on their taxes, never did a FTF firearms transaction out of state, never took office supplies, never drove way too fast (even if you thought you had a good reason), etc? My point is...many of us have done things that *could've* got us in trouble. Our saving grace was either finding a way to rationalize it in our own minds, forgetting about it, or we simply didn't get caught before we decided to straighten up.

Should someone who made a mistake at 18 (and I'm talking about a non-repeat offender, someone who really did turn their life around) really still be punished at 50? They still have to pay taxes, but yet they can't vote...does that really sound right?
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: FormulaZR</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Should someone who made a mistake at 18 (and I'm talking about a non-repeat offender, someone who really did turn their life around) really still be punished at 50? </div></div>

How did you make the leap from being punished at 18 for a crime to being punished at 50 for the same crime? Also the 'crimes' you listed wouldn't land you in prison so the argument kinda falls flat on that note but I could see a slippery slope argument coming from your analysis but it would require blurring the line between a minor and major crime.

The way I see it the idea of making people pay for their prison time is just a logical extension of something we already do, i.e. forcing criminals pay restitution to their victims only in this case they would also be paying restitution to the taxpayers who subsidized their vacation in the pen. In addition this would make their punishment more harsh, which might act as a better deterrent.

If you don't want to be punished/stripped of your wealth than simply don't do the crime.
 
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Tax fraud, firearms crimes, and reckless driving do have the very real possibility of landing you in jail...if a prosecutor wanted to push it that far. Drive too fast, have an accident and kill someone, could be involuntary manslaughter...

The leap I made is actually a simple one - sometimes "we" forget that cause and effect sometimes goes beyond the obvious. I could elaborate if you wanted...but I don't think it's really necessary.


PS: Sometimes the line between minor and major just depends on your own opinion...who will decide that? My father was killed by a drunk driver, so to me a DUI/DWI is a very serious crime - to others, it's a typical Friday/Saturday night. To me, a car and a motorcycle drag racing seems like they knowingly took a risk - but if the biker gets hurt, they charge the driver of the car with manslaughter. There are flip/flop scenarios for many other crimes, also. I know of a couple of "kids" that started dating when he was 14 and she was 12. Her parents hated him, so at 18 and 16 they had statutory rape charges filed. He is now a registered sex offender, and at 30 and 28 they are happily married after he served 4 years in state jail.


I'm not saying criminals shouldn't be punished - but I don't think this is the answer. Plus, I think some of the "felon for life" stuff is wrong.



<span style="font-weight: bold">Run the jail system (Federal, State, County, and City) like Joe Arpaio and be done with it...</span>
 
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Holy shit, for $143.00 a day I could stay at the Hilton. He could put them up at the Motel 6 for a lot less.

The part that stuck with me is that <span style="color: #FF0000">he wanted to charge visitors </span> . Shows me hes not really a straight up guy, trying to implement a good idea, but a piece of shit just trying to throw his wieght around and make things more diffficult for all.
 
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I definitely agree with charging the visitors.

That seems like something that could pass and would likely generate serious income for the system.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Magnus357</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I definitely agree with charging the visitors.

That seems like something that could pass and would likely generate serious income for the system. </div></div>

That's the one part I don't agree with. I don't think it's fair to deprive (via lack of funds) a child from seeing a parent, just because the parent is a fuck-up.
 
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I don't see how it's a tax. It's payment for services rendered. They get to eat for free, receive clothing, hot water for a shower, television, access to workout facilities, free education and probably internet access. The only taxes at play are paid by those <span style="font-style: italic">not</span> in jail and actually working for a living.

Who gives a shit if they send them out the door without a penny to their name? As stated, it really isn't all that difficult to stay out of jail. A few hundred million Americans manage to do it every year with very little effort.

My only concern would be what comes next. <span style="font-style: italic">Not</span> putting those in jail who need to be there because they can't afford it?
 
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1st - The system we use to punish people is wrong on so many levels.

2nd - What we punish people for and how severely we punish people is wrong on so many levels.

3rd - Look at the room left open for this being abused.

4th - It only encourages repeat offending

....stop putting people in jail for stupid bs reasons - stop making things illegal that should not be and then bitching when you have to high of bills to pay for all the people locked up

make prison a place for murders / rapist / child abusing / violent crime offenders - anyone else can serve a sentence threw community service or tons of other methods of giving back / healthy & intelligent discipline - then they wouldnt be so full and such a burden on the "budget"

eating for free - move prisons to large expanses of land where the inmates would be forced to garden on a large scale for their own self sustaining food source - you could have them grow their own clothing products and turn it into clothing - you could install solar panels to easily heat the water and use them to install / service the panels - they do not need TV that i agree with completely

in short you could easily make prison a self sustaining community that would require very little in terms of outside funding if one truly desired too. the problem is no one does - they just want to throw more of our tax dollars at problems to fix it ... not truly fix it

the system is fucked up and needs to be assembled anew and built with intelligence that is not driven by greed / power

a system that is designed from the ground up to benefit the people at all times - in the big picture - not just for "now"
 
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I believe they charge here but the problem is that they only have about a 25-30% recollection on those fees because most people coming out of prison are unable to pay...
 
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