Rifle Scopes would i be crazy to sell a S&B PMII for SS 5-20x50

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I'm currently scope poor right now and have a LNIB S&B 4-16x42 that has been floating from gun to gun as a filler and i'm thinking about selling it so I can pick up a couple of the SS 5-20x50 HDs.

What say the hide?
 
#4
Re: would i be crazy to sell a S&B PMII for SS 5-20x50

If it were me, I would. I own four SWFA SS Scopes including a HD model and trust the quality and the company. Your choice though, read the reviews and decide.
 
#5
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You know I've got this Ferrari that I only drive on really nice sunny days out on the mountain twistys. I was thinking about selling it and buying a few of those Nissan Sentras just so I could have several mediocre cars to choose from everyday. What do you think...have I lost my fuckin mind?
 
#6
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Either downsize your gun collection or sell the SB to get more affordably priced scopes, your call. Whatever you do you better decide in a hurry because the promotional price ends tomorrow night I think.

edit: I was in the same position and downsized. I'd rather have 2-3 really good rifles set up the way I like than 6-7 with mediocre everything.
 
#9
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if you get rid of it, crazy won't be the word. you know how hard it is to replace of that value? It's happened to me before, I sold a t-pal and thought I'll buy two cheaper scopes. I get the money and ended up blowing it off.
 
#10
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thefitter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know I've got this Ferrari that I only drive on really nice sunny days out on the mountain twistys. I was thinking about selling it and buying a few of those Nissan Sentras just so I could have several mediocre cars to choose from everyday. </div></div>
I get the sentiment, but in this case the SS is no Nissan Sentra. More like a Corvette Z06 which, while not a Ferrari, is pretty darn fast. It may not get as many chicks but it can keep up pretty well on the racetrack.

From a practical standpoint, if owning a S&B means a guy has multiple rifles without scopes, two or three SS's instead may simply be a much smarter ownership decision for a given budget. Especially since they offer Z06-level performance, which ain't too shabby.
 
#11
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thefitter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know I've got this Ferrari that I only drive on really nice sunny days out on the mountain twistys. I was thinking about selling it and buying a few of those Nissan Sentras just so I could have several mediocre cars to choose from everyday. What do you think...have I lost my fuckin mind? </div></div>

Wtf are you smoking dude? Your shit makes no sense. You compare the ss hd to a sentry?

Then what's a bushnell 10x 3200? a fucking walking cane?

The ss hd is a great scope. If you wanna do a Fucking metaphor like that, compare it to a z06.

Great performance for great value.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon A</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I get the sentiment, but in this case the SS is no Nissan Sentra. More like a Corvette Z06 which, while not a Ferrari, is pretty darn fast. It may not get as many chicks but it can keep up pretty well on the racetrack.

From a practical standpoint, if owning a S&B means a guy has multiple rifles without scopes, two or three SS's instead may simply be a much smarter ownership decision for a given budget. Especially since they offer Z06-level performance, which ain't too shabby. </div></div>

Now that's what I'm talking about!! I pull on ferraris with bolt ons all day. Lol

I was coming here to use the same analogy actually, but you beat me to it
 
#12
Re: would i be crazy to sell a S&B PMII for SS 5-20x50

Sold my PMII for funds for 2.5 of the 5-20x SS HDs. 3 rifles with great (and matching) glass does me much more good than one rifle with exceptional glass and two without and no reasonable means to finish them.

Sell one scope, kick in $5-600 and get 3 scopes that will do everything I need. I fail to see the disconnect in the thought process. Yes, I know they arnt PMIIs, but I'm not a super secret squirrel Delta SEAL Ranger Either. I spent some time behind a 10x HD and as long as they stay true to those standards on this product, I see no issues.

If I could afford 3S&Bs I would, since that was my original plan, but life doesn't really give a damn about our plans, so here I am. At the end of the day, as long as they track 100%and I can see my target, I don't see myself making shots any better just because I'm rocking $3K German glass.I know that's not a popular opinion, but ill just have to live with it.
 
#13
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I currently only own 2 5-25 S&Bs and have 5 rifles. No way in hell I would sell them to fill my rifles with SS scopes. The SS is a nice scope and good value for the cost but I would rather take the minute it takes to drop a scope to another rifle than sell my S&Bs. Your money and rifles though. If you feel you will be better served with the SS scopes then do what you have to do.

Taseal, have you used, owned or even handled either of the scopes or just read about them on the internet?
 
#14
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I don't think I could get rid of an S&B PM II for two of the SS scopes. I'm currently saving FOR one S&B, despite needing two scopes.
 
#15
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could selling my s&b for 2 ss 5-20x50 hds really save me 15%
on my car insurance.....?

does elmer fudd secretly want to bf the rabbit?
 
#16
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Jon A</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thefitter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know I've got this Ferrari that I only drive on really nice sunny days out on the mountain twistys. I was thinking about selling it and buying a few of those Nissan Sentras just so I could have several mediocre cars to choose from everyday. </div></div>
I get the sentiment, but in this case the SS is no Nissan Sentra. More like a Corvette Z06 which, while not a Ferrari, is pretty darn fast. It may not get as many chicks but it can keep up pretty well on the racetrack.

From a practical standpoint, if owning a S&B means a guy has multiple rifles without scopes, two or three SS's instead may simply be a much smarter ownership decision for a given budget. Especially since they offer Z06-level performance, which ain't too shabby. </div></div>

Well stated. The question is how good is good enough to perform the function intended? In my experience the SWFA HD scopes are better than good enough. If it is status over function your concerned with keep what you got. Read the reviews and decide where your place is on the scale of diminishing returns and make your choice. On my budget 40% of the price for 90% of the performance means $1,000.00 for ammo and components which will improve my range skills much more than that 10% better glass. Your choice, your money. (besides you can spend days and days on the range with your S&B hanging out and not one foxy chick will ask for a ride)
 
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My take... fwiw.

The S&B is a known quality scope that has withstood the test of time by real-world trials. The 5-20x super sniper is not. It hasn't been on the market long enough to see if it will hold up to the rigors of actual field use. Don't drink the koolaid just yet.
 
#19
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This will not help with what you have to decide, but I was at the same place on a lesser scale(price).
My wife and I have three NF scopes, but more rifles that we want to shoot, so, one got a Sightron III, while the other got a Vortex Viper. Yes I could have taken the time to change scopes when shooting a different rifle, but now, I just grab one and go. I'm sorry to say that I can't blame any loss of hits on the scopes.
 
#20
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As a fan of SS scopes (with a few of the 5-20 SSs on the way - soon, I hope), it pains me to say the scope is, technically, unproven still.

SWFA does a great job of standing behind their products and have made great optics thus far, but few have had hands on this scope, and fewer still have really wrung it out.

I value ILya's and Frank's and Jon's opinions, but the scope is very new and very unproven. I have high hopes, but I ain't selling the alpha glass just yet.
 
#21
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evilsvt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm probably just going to keep it, I'm currently running all S&B and it would screw with my OCD to have something different in there. </div></div>

That makes more sense. When I first read your post I thought maybe you were one of those guys who rolls up to a match in a 1200$ car with a 7k rifle in the trunk...

I know a lot of people who spend way more than they can afford on their toys at the expense of things that really matter...learning to act one's wage is difficult for some.
 
#22
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What is the use of your setup? Is it a working gun or just a range gun? If you just like shooting (mostly at ranges) then I would rather have all my rifles setup and working than having to fiddle with moving scopes and re-setting them up. I mean, how hard are you really on your optics is the main question. And do you like a FFP? Is the S&B FFP or SFP?

Options:
1. Keep the S&B and get pissed every time you want to shoot one of your other guns and either don't or have to move the optic and re-setup. But you love the glass/reliability they are known for..

2. Sell the S&B and pickup 2-3 of the SSHD20's and fit most if not all your guns with good quality optics, plus have everything matching so going from setup to setup is the same. This is worth something.

3. Not sure about the SSHD20 quality?
A. Keep the S&B and order one/two and see how you like them. If you don't you can sell off for what you paid easily.
B. Keep the S&B and get a SSHD20 and a Nightforce of your flavor. Then you know you have one possibly build nails tough, and one you know is built nails tough. Sell what you don't prefer.
C. Sell the S&B and get a SSHD20 and a Nightforce of your flavor. Then you know you have one possibly build nails tough, and one you know is built nails tough.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: KeithR41</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You're nuts for even considering it!
</div></div> <div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: thefitter</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know I've got this Ferrari that I only drive on really nice sunny days out on the mountain twistys. I was thinking about selling it and buying a few of those Nissan Sentras just so I could have several mediocre cars to choose from everyday. What do you think...have I lost my fuckin mind?</div></div>
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I currently only own 2 5-25 S&Bs and have 5 rifles. No way in hell I would sell them to fill my rifles with SS scopes. The SS is a nice scope and good value for the cost but I would rather take the minute it takes to drop a scope to another rifle than sell my S&Bs. Your money and rifles though. If you feel you will be better served with the SS scopes then do what you have to do.

Taseal, have you used, owned or even handled either of the scopes or just read about them on the internet?</div></div>

all great quotes, don't sell the s&b!!! you will regret it.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I first read your post I thought maybe you were one of those guys who rolls up to a match in a 1200$ car with a 7k rifle in the trunk.</div></div>

I do it all the time with pride!
 
#28
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If you had three S&Bs and one GAP M40A3, would you sell the rifle to buy three Remington 700 5Rs to mount under the S&Bs?

Personally, I prefer not to have more than one of the same rig, but I can see how familiarity can be a benefit to competition shooters. Variety is my spice, but may not taste good on your burger.
 
#29
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If it was a choice between buying one S&B new or two of the SS 5-20s at the current deal price, I'd probably do the latter. Part of that would be because I dislike swapping scopes out. At least it takes me about half an hour to get one mounted on a rifle, checking it all the while to make sure it's not canted.

However, in this case, good luck getting near what you paid for if you tried to sell the S&B (or any optic). Also, as mentioned the SS 5-20 is not a Ferrari and it hasn't been field-tested by a ton of people. Still, the folks that have had reported positively on it and they are all people who would tend to know.
 
#30
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: evilsvt</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I'm probably just going to keep it, I'm currently running all S&B and it would screw with my OCD to have something different in there. </div></div>

That makes more sense. When I first read your post I thought maybe you were one of those guys who rolls up to a match in a 1200$ car with a 7k rifle in the trunk...

I know a lot of people who spend way more than they can afford on their toys at the expense of things that really matter...learning to act one's wage is difficult for some. </div></div>

Nah, I'll usually go without before compromising. I guess I had a moment of weakness. I'll just wait for the 3-20 S&B and maybe find a used one sometime next year.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Rob01</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Taseal, have you used, owned or even handled either of the scopes or just read about them on the internet? </div></div>

Since I am a new guy here I didn't want to be the first to say anything, but I was thinking the exact same thing.
 
#32
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evilsvt,

You are not the only one selling or trading scopes to get a new SSHD. Our trade in department has been getting hammered the last thirty days.

If you are in the market for a used NightForce, USO, Schmidt Bender, Premier, IOR, Hensholdt, Leupold, etc. check our SampleList site often. We try to get trades processed and up as soon as possible and they are not lasting long once they get listed. We still have a huge pile to get listed too.

http://www.samplelist.com/
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I first read your post I thought maybe you were one of those guys who rolls up to a match in a 1200$ car with a 7k rifle in the trunk.</div></div>

I do it all the time with pride! </div></div>Second That!
 
#34
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: duke54</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: 19Scout77</div><div class="ubbcode-body"><div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: BCP</div><div class="ubbcode-body">When I first read your post I thought maybe you were one of those guys who rolls up to a match in a 1200$ car with a 7k rifle in the trunk.</div></div>

I do it all the time with pride! </div></div>Second That! </div></div>

I am not down at $1200, but I opted to buy a seven-year-old used truck (at a very good price) rather than a new or even a newer used truck. Would a new truck be nicer than the one I am getting and have some features I won't get on the old one? Absolutely. Is it worth paying a $27,000 difference in price? No.

To keep this in context, every time I drive this truck to a long range, I will have more invested in the guns, optics and accessories under the tonneau cover than I will have in the truck. And in twenty years, those guns and optics will probably still be around while the truck will almost definitely be scrap. Jeff Cooper rightly pointed out that a gun (and, I think he would acknowledge, a quality optic) is one of the few "permanent" possessions a man can buy, so I see them as a more reasonable use of my money than more indulgent things like expensive cars.

As for the optics in the OP, I guess my take is that the SS 5-20 will meet my needs and ability for some time to come. When my ability is to the point that I can truly justify spending money for tier one optics, I will hopefully be able to afford to make the upgrade. I also know that I will always have a rifle that can use good optics and that--at the recent discount prices--the SS will fill those needs on rifles that don't require some of its features but can certainly use good glass. If, in ten years, my SS scopes are sitting on hunting rifles rather than my long-range rigs, I will still consider them good purchases.
 
#35
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That is a really tough question as it is a new scope to the market and has not run the gauntlet yet. It seems like selling such a great scope would be a mistake since it is such a big purchase (for me anyway) to begin with. Getting one of these SS scopes might be a great choice or it might be something you'll regret depending on how the SS scope turns out. If it turns out bad you have some serious ground to make up. I am on the list waiting for one and really hope I didn't make a mistake, though the scope I sold to buy one was a Leupold VX-3, so I should be moving up in the world:) Good luck with your choice.
 
#36
Re: would i be crazy to sell a S&B PMII for SS 5-20x50

I think a better question is do you need three S&B’s. Who needs three rifles which fill the same function? If it was me I would buy the scopes based on what each rifle is actually being used for.
 
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