I went to the Dr. for a refill. There is a sign in the window that states if you have a fever, stay in your car. A m.a. will come out to see you. The other Dr. called to reschedule my orthopedic appointment. The reason is they can't have people in the waiting room. FUCK!
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In a few months we'll all realize how fucking retarded this all was. Peoples lives upended, our economy destroyed, over something less lethal than the common flu.
I'm lucky I'm young enough for the subsequent economic collapse that I have time to recover financially. A lot of older people who are retired, or close to retiring, could be royally fucked over the damage this stupid panic is causing
Did you thinkuncle sambo was going to let them die with all that money?
Been saying this for the last two weeks. It takes just a bit ofnlogic to understand the “experts” were just making shit up and the media was in full propaganda mode. Now we have Democrats trying to advance there sick agenda in the relief packages. Dirty evil bastards.
Yep. I ALWAYS start with the supposition that anything and everything the government and/or the MSM tells me is a fucking lie and/or there is an ulterior motive. So no, I don't believe the Chinese virus is the end of humanity. I don't believe there will be rotting corpses in the streets if we don't all "social distance". No, I don't bring a tape measure with me so I can be sure to be at least 6' away from every one else. Will people die because of it? Fuck yes they will. Life sucks, shit happens. But people are sheep. Including on this very forum. And I understand many take comfort in being told what to do by their government and the media. More power to them. But I won't live my life in fear over something that is clearly overblown and no where near as destructive as the government and media would like us to believe. Just my opinion of course.
The available information suggest that it is 10 to 20 more dangerous than the flu. Further as a person over 60, I get a flu shot to further reduce my risk from the flu. As of today there is no vaccine for this. So we need to work together to slow the spread. If we don't then Italy stands as a stark example of where we could to. In Italy because the health care system was overwhelmed and care for many is not available, the death rate is approaching 8% or about 80 times worse than the flu.
Italy also has an aging population and socialized medicine. The doctors in Italy de-prioritized senior citizens so they could have enough supplies to care for all the young immigrants.
So your saying that here in America where I (hopefully) have not been de-prioritized and we don't have sick immigrants demanding treatment (where did they go again) that once all the ventilators are connected to patients and all the hospital beds are full that some magical system will care for me if I become sick enough to need it?
That reminds me of the movie Independence Day where when faced with a big problem the military had so many fighter jets that we needed to recruit politicians/cropdusters and alcoholics to pilot them. It made a fun movie. Back in real life those surplus fighters do not exist. And today in America those extra hospital beds, extra doctors, extra nurses and extra medical equipment simply do not exist. Neither you nor I can wish them into existence.
Most disappointing of all to me is that people to not seem to realize that this was an attack from the PRC. They knew about this, they keep it secrete, they made a policy decision to let it spread. The WHO helped them suppress the truth about it during the time when it could have been stopped.
Well that changed fast.
I'm a mathematician with a minor in statistics and I keep up on some of this and last week resolved cases had a death rate of 2-3% but there were only so many cases then... By law of large numbers, the more data we get the closer to the true value it becomes.
This week the death toll of resolved cases is 14%. That now makes it 7x more lethal than the 1918 pandemic (which they had no treatment for) and on par with SARS but with a much higher infection rate. No, this actually became very serious this last week.
The hope is herd immunity and deaths will stop the spread and end the pandemic. But that could take a while. Even years. If the cases drop and thus overall deaths, and the shelter in place and social distancing helps slow or prevent spread, then people will say " they cried wolf" or "it wasn't that bad". Do you want it to be that bad? Italy bad? Do nothing like Italy be responsible for 1/3rd the global death toll? I hope this works and it does become "not that bad afterall". That's the plan. But IMO/E it's gonna get worse before it gets better. New cases and deaths are still spiking, was a steady rise but that changed last week and it's becoming exponential in order.
BTW, seasonal flu death rate: approx. .01%. Ebola 50%. Covid 19 is now 14% and rising. Mostly affects elderly.
VA canceled my surgery, canceled my pre-op, canceled my followup appt., canceled a dental appt., canceled my regular appt. and it'll be done over phone. One outside VA doc called to cancel the appt. too, just mailed my prescriptions instead. I do have to go to pharmacy to fill that outside prescription at VA so wish me luck.
All in all I think the response is adequate but the panic buying and fear mongering some politicians and the media just can't resist is the real problem and needs to be addressed for the next pandemic. And all these 2A bills suddenly coming up as a response to the virus? HR5717? Yeah, uh, not buying it. Pass it and I'll just piss on that law and keep on keepin' on, if I have to be the last standing American willing to uphold the BOR I'm prepared to do so but I'd feel awful goddamn lonely doing it.
For some people, shooting cans and paper targets in a safe setting or keeping arms for self defense is just more than they can tolerate and they're willing to use any crisis to make that stop. However, I am seeing a change, apparently some of these anti's got the wakeup call that being disarmed in the midst of a crisis ain't the smartest move after all, and that a 10rd. neutered rifle ain't gonna be sufficient. I hope they come out the other side remembering this but attention is so short in US...
I like Strikervets analysis but seasonal flu death rate in America is .1% not .01% and I hope his 14% death rate turns out to be world wide and more like 1% to 2% in America till we got a handle on treating it.
The US death rate is about 1.3%. Not 14%. This doesn’t even take into account the hundreds of thousands that have/had it and were never tested. You will see that number drop drastically with more testingbe
I wouldn’t look at worldwide numbers as countries like Italy have a 7x higher death rate per capita from the flu compared to the US. They match our numbers with a fraction of the population. Of course this virus will hit them harder. Its like comparing starvation deaths here in the US and using numbers from Africa in the statistics.
You are far more likely to die from a number of causes (including the flu) than from this Corona virus. If you werent scared before this Virus then you shouldn’t be scared now. If you are, you have been propagandized by the media and so called experts. Take a breath and think logically. Wash your hands.
Morbidity is overly high at this point due to lack of testing. Mostly only the real sick are getting tested due to test shortages and of course a higher percentage of those do die. It will be more deadly than the flu but only time will tell how much. Reports i read say up to 79% have minor symptoms not needing intervention and 5% have no symptoms....add all those in that will never be identified and morbidity percentage would drop a lot. The other unknown is how much is destroying our economy and bankrupting small business owners going to change the overall outcome? It's not going away and virology teaches that flattening the curve also lengthens the duration or widens the base of the curve. If they mandate only essential services can work until its gone while also lengthening the event this country is destroyed. In retrospect some serious events in recent years (MERS, SARS, H1N1) happened without a thought of shutting down the country and a bad flu year will kill 60,000 Americans without any notice whatsoever. I think steps needed to be taken for elderly and those with pre-exiting conditions but I also feel like it has been overly extreme by comparison to previous events. Don't forget that the media and a large percentage of this country would like nothing more than for us to completely fail and "need" the government and see it as a great time to push agendas when the hysterical are happy to trade liberty for the promise of safety.
Disclaimer: I am just a dumb country boy but I did go to college 8 years, my career is healthcare and I have been limited to emergency care only for the unforeseeable future while my county currently has a total of 6 cases in 132,000 residents. I did have 2 of 8 employees home with the flu last week.....
Disclaimer: I am just a dumb country boy but I did go to college 8 years, my career is healthcare and I have been limited to emergency care only for the unforeseeable future while my county currently has a total of 6 cases in 132,000 residents. I did have 2 of 8 employees home with the flu last week.....
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A lot of very important things to consider, but I wonder if there is a typo in here somewhere. Auto accident Deaths in the US are running 36,000/year ish. If 150,000,000 Americans get this and we hold the death rate to 1% that is 1,500,000 deaths. So it seems to me that, especially for those in the health care field, that it might be a real good idea to try to hold this back. Develop better treatments and make a Vaccine. On the plus side the anti Vaxers on my fb friends list have finally shut the fuck up.
I edited that out as you pointed out it is overstated but I still hold the estimated deaths from this event are overstated. Your point on the antivaxers made me laugh. We have many patients who refuse the flu vaccine but are also the same ones that would line up and kill or steal to get a COVID vaccine.
The 150,000,000 infected with a 1% death rate is winging it don't you think. The rate will be far below 1% you will soon see. and 150,000,000 Americans wont be infected either. I am not picking on you, just trying to get you to think rationally is all.
I agreed with nearly everything in your original statment, except the part I quoted. If nothing were being done then the numbers could indeed be that bad or worse. Let me tell you this: nothing would make me happier than you be able to come back next year and tell you that you were right we overreacted. Yet I fear that is not the case. I believe the stories that say 8% of people in Italy are dying. I do not believe the Chinese Master class when they say it has stopped in China.
Does the red line look like a natural curve to you? To me it looks like China is still lying.
It is very heartening to see health care professionals with such a spirit of optimism. Thanks for sharing that.
The chart is relevant. The ChiComs are still telling us that the problem is over in China, and that we can start thanking them for their stellar leadership now. I don't believe it. Do you?
I believe the Chinese government as much as I believe our own. Why would you start believing what these government entities are trying to convince you of now considering the history of lies and propaganda? Do you think they are now trying to do what is right for the people all of a sudden? This reaction to the virus is very much political and I hate to admit that. Trump was right when he first came out and said to relax this will pass us by. He is saying it again today. Finally. He is finally seeing this reaction is a tool by the left to seize political power and control. I think he has been reading my posts for the last two weeks as I have said people are soon to be suck starting shotguns do to the economic collapse which is far more devastating than this virus and he has touched on many points I have already brought up (disclosure: I don't really think he reads my posts.)
The scare tactics and fake statistics are done to mislead my friend. The very people who questioned everything the media and government says, including the guys on here, are lapping up everything spouted and are being lead around like they are on a leash. It is mind boggling to me.
The scare tactics and fake statistics are done to mislead my friend. The very people who questioned everything the media and government says, including the guys on here, are lapping up everything spouted and are being lead around like they are on a leash. It is mind boggling to me.
If you are a high risk category, you could simply choose personally to stay home and not go out in public rather than demanding everyone else upend their lives, go bankrupt, loose their stuff to the bankers and be kicked back down into the gutter to "hopefully" keep you safer?
Everybody likes going on about Italy....
Go check total "scary flu" deaths as compared to the yearly "boring flu" deaths for the past decade.
Bet "Scary flu" kills the same or less this year in Italy than "boring flu" normally does.
What we should do is shut the germ factory schools down, then tell those who are at high risk to stay home and avoid contact and help them out, then tell everyone else to exercise their own judgment to stay safe, reduce risk and if you get it, the odds are vastly in your favour.
Also for fun, check out the rate of death from "scary flu" in Germany as opposed to Italy.
There is a huge difference which kind of shows an important point.
Also check out the rate of death in somewhere like South Korea where they were on the ball with actually testing everyone instead of refusing to test anyone but the most dire cases like is still the case here and Italy etc.
There is a huge difference which kind of shows an important point.
Also check out the rate of death in somewhere like South Korea where they were on the ball with actually testing everyone instead of refusing to test anyone but the most dire cases like is still the case here and Italy etc.
No mention of Italy’s much higher smoking rate, lower life expectancy and all the Chinese migrants there?
I am not dismissing it all. I do question it all however.
I could tell from the start that these scare tactics were agenda driven just as they are now. I am not saying every doctor that is on TV is driven by politics. Many are genuine. When these “experts” talk, they are not thinking politically as they shouldn't be. The problem is that everyone around them including the media is using what they say as a weapon. These doctor’s have recommendations that would possibly slow the spread (it can’t be stopped of course) but would completely destroy this nation along with its people. Seems that is what the left wants all along so of course its all “doctors and science” to them. There is a middle ground that works in reality.
How about wash your hands, go to work, get a flu shot.
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Exactly. The truth isn’t as scary.
I have said it many times. If you weren’t scared to death to live among people before, you shouldn't be now.
The world death toll right now is less than 1/3 of the United States Flu deaths in 2017 and only 3% the death rate of the flu mortality rate world wide on average. This Corona virus is in addition to the flu and every other cause of death of course, but people seemed okay 2 weeks ago. Wonder why?
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Right now there are enough hospital beds cleared. And if you're asking me, I'd say treat American citizens first. It may sound heartless, but if the point comes where one gets treatment and another does not, then the American gets priority in America.
northern Italy is where all the chicom workers and businesses are. that is indeed the area hardest hit.
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