Here is my video,
I will be posting pictures but wanted to get this out so you can see it.
I will be posting pictures but wanted to get this out so you can see it.
-
Having trouble using the site?
Contact support
Rifle Scopes Zero Compromise ZC527 First Look Video
- Thread starter Lowlight
- Start date
Price isn’t the question at this point it’s can you get one, especially with all the pics in the last 24 hours!
My pants just got tight. Seriously. I may have to REALLY shake my safe up and try to pull one of these off with the MCPT-2 once they're available. The more I see on them, the more excited I become. I could be perfectly happy with something much farther down the rung, but go big or go home, right? I'll sleep on it awhile and let a more lengthy review come in, but it's starting to look like that's my game plan...
Also, whatever you do Frank, don't ever stop doing the bloopers at the end of your videos.
Also, whatever you do Frank, don't ever stop doing the bloopers at the end of your videos.
These look really nice. I would really like to see more scopes with LSW (I’ve really warmed up to this) and top parallax. I think Kahles nailed it with that. But I am not composing at all, these scopes look real nice.
Supposedly these will be in lsw at some point.
And I think kahles has a patent on the parallax. So not sure if you’ll see that anytime soon.
Nice, thank you Frank, a great teaser going into SHOT. You torture test scopes over months usually so I look forward to hearing how you like it after putting it to the test. Sounds great so far. I know you said the turrets are nice but can you really tell a difference with their dual detent design?
I’m on the list for the next batch. Just need my fed sugar daddy to start writing checks again.....
Comparisons suck, everyone see things different, and honestly I give an example of two scopes and you all want two different models that is no different. You can’t win which is why I won’t do them. You are lucky I mentioned the two I did.
I ga e you the tools to make your own decision.
On a side note I saw a comment that said I mounted it backwards in the Spuhr that was funny.
Over the next week there will be plenty of comparison videos and talk, if you can’t figure it out you don’t. Need it
I ga e you the tools to make your own decision.
On a side note I saw a comment that said I mounted it backwards in the Spuhr that was funny.
Over the next week there will be plenty of comparison videos and talk, if you can’t figure it out you don’t. Need it
You have to understand Frank's position as well, if he makes a comparison to Brand X and says one or the other is better then the one that wasn't the "better" might cause trouble. Comparison's may "suck" as Frank put it because in large part they are influenced by personal bias, how many times do you read threads of "What do you think about this scope" and the answers go from "the worst in the world" to "best scope I've ever owned"; different strokes for different folks. When I do reviews I typically do comparisons to other scopes I feel are in the same class, but I try to qualify my outcome based on what I saw (YMMV applies), another factor is sample variance - while in a perfect world every single scope that came off an assembly line would be exactly the same, but living in a world full of entropy that just isn't reality and there are going to be anomalies. The only true way to tell if a scope is going to be the best for you, unfortunately, is to get that scope and use it; if you don't like it, most likely you can resell it and not lose too much.
Now taking orders for the next shipment, first shipment is now being mounted on rifles!!!
Yeah excellent points and I didn’t mean to put him in a spot by any means. I just look at him and many others here as having a vast knowledge of optics due to real world and face to face manufacture experience, but understand what you’re saying as well. Also agree you have to buy scopes to try them. I hope to try the ZCO soon to compare for sure, looks like a phenomenal optic. I’ll modify my comment. Thanks again!
Last edited:
Everytime I see a post or video about this scope, at a glance I think it's something to do with cz 527.
Comparisons are tough to do correctly without pissing people as noted above. Everyone is hypersensitive today and will get messages often about using other products even though I am not technically "sponsored" by anyone, there are certain brands that I go to more often and the companies are aware of this.
Plus it's hard to not sound biased with a comparison no matter what the case. I can over explain it and then people will say my over explanation is cover for something else. I have such a huge following and not all of it good, that it invites needless criticism for no real benefit
If I say up front, "hey this optic is better than the Hensoldt" people will say because they gave the Zco. If I say, "Hey this scope is better than S&B, then S&B goes somewhere else for a better response". I can caveat the hell out of it and it won't matter. The criticism and comments I get to the negative go far beyond the positives that can come of out me "comparing" two optics.
Comparing optics is a cheap thrill, it's a gotcha review. Try highlighting the scope without putting down others or focusing on the negative. There is a bunch of people out there who only focus on the bad. They revel in finding something wrong with things and a lot of them are wrong from the start. I try not to do Gotcha Pieces on scopes. Everyone wants options, nobody likes high prices, everyone wants to think their $1500 scope competes with every other $3000+ scope. What can that scope do mine can't ... why pay that much. I already had someone comment the scope cost more than their first car.
You simply cannot win once you get to a certain point.
Plus it's hard to not sound biased with a comparison no matter what the case. I can over explain it and then people will say my over explanation is cover for something else. I have such a huge following and not all of it good, that it invites needless criticism for no real benefit
If I say up front, "hey this optic is better than the Hensoldt" people will say because they gave the Zco. If I say, "Hey this scope is better than S&B, then S&B goes somewhere else for a better response". I can caveat the hell out of it and it won't matter. The criticism and comments I get to the negative go far beyond the positives that can come of out me "comparing" two optics.
Comparing optics is a cheap thrill, it's a gotcha review. Try highlighting the scope without putting down others or focusing on the negative. There is a bunch of people out there who only focus on the bad. They revel in finding something wrong with things and a lot of them are wrong from the start. I try not to do Gotcha Pieces on scopes. Everyone wants options, nobody likes high prices, everyone wants to think their $1500 scope competes with every other $3000+ scope. What can that scope do mine can't ... why pay that much. I already had someone comment the scope cost more than their first car.
You simply cannot win once you get to a certain point.
Plenty of us appreciate you giving the pictures, video and content that you do. It's ahead of SHOT, in short order, less than 48 hours after you received it.
That's cool.
That's cool.
@Lowlight - I’m tracking with you. Truly appreciate the service, reviews, forums and videos you provide. I agree comparisons are from a point of view that often causes controversy. Didn’t mean to put you on the spot or in a tough spot by asking for the compare. You’re the first one Ive seen with hands on the ZCO and it looks very promising. Appreciate your perspective and thoughts on topics, thanks again!
Last edited:
Spuhr, MasterPiece Arms, and American Rifle Co. all make a mount or rings. One other company may be making a mount as well, and hopefully make an announcement about it soon. Tier One as well as Era Tac are two other options I'm aware of.
I'm not sure, never used one with that much. All my rifles have 20 MOA rails already. Sorry I'm not any help with that question.
Are you asking if a 55moa mount will bottom out the ZCO? Given the ZCO has 35 mil of travel which equals about 118 moa you should not bottom out the scope. Frank used this mount for his review and even talks about how good the performance is when the turrets are cranked. I would think you’d be just fine as long as the mount is going on a 0 moa rail; however, if you have a 20 moa rail I would think that would be too much as 75 moa exceeds half the total travel.
It would go on a 0moa rail, i did see it in the video and have used 45moa mounts before, 55 moa sounded crazy in my head but may work, unless Spuhr announces other options at shot I may go with the 55 moa option, thank you for your input
What you get out of the scope is going to vary based on BC, MV, scope over bore, rail inclination, individual barrels, etc...
I have my AMG 6-24 on a 20 MOA mount on a 20 MOA rail, and have 24 mils usable elevation (out of an advertised 27.5) + 10 in the reticle... How far do you want to shoot?
I have my AMG 6-24 on a 20 MOA mount on a 20 MOA rail, and have 24 mils usable elevation (out of an advertised 27.5) + 10 in the reticle... How far do you want to shoot?
Is the total internal elevation 35mils, or are the turrets limited to 35mils and there is more adjustment internally?
i.e. in a perfect world, with no cant imposed, would you expect to have 17.5 mils of availabe adjustment, or more than that?
Total internal travel is 35 mils, so yes, 17.5 if the erector was centered for a 100 yd zero.
Might I suggest the ERA-TAC Adjustable inclination mount, I've had other ERA-TAC's (currently have their QR rings) and they are quality gear but I've never had the adjustable though I've been curious how accurate and repeatable they are, seems like the best of both worlds... Similar to Spuhr you can also put accessories on the ERA-TAC, they have bubble level/ACI mounts and many more.
https://www.eurooptic.com/era-tac-a...-high.aspx?utm_source=eoic2018&utm_medium=JAB
If you use the link above credit will go to Jason who is a great contributor to the Hide
https://www.eurooptic.com/era-tac-a...-high.aspx?utm_source=eoic2018&utm_medium=JAB
If you use the link above credit will go to Jason who is a great contributor to the Hide
On what basis? The Vortex Razor 4.5-27 is at 28.5 mils, the NF ATACR F1 5-25 is at 35 mils, kahles 6-24 is 25.5 mils..... It's in the upper end of what all of the 34mm tube scopes are at.
Well the Kahles 6-24 (34mm) has less internal travel than the Vortex AMG (30mm). Tube diameter allows for more room, but if you have different internal design it's kind of a moot point.
At any rate, with a 30 MOA rail you're looking at 25ish mils of useful travel. Again, how far are you shooting?
At any rate, with a 30 MOA rail you're looking at 25ish mils of useful travel. Again, how far are you shooting?
The question is how much wiggle room is there in a Spuhr 55moa mount? If the scope has 40mils in the tube then one can assume the scope can be zero on pretty much any rifle.
With a ZCO mounted in a 0 moa spuhr on a AXMC with the factory 30 moa base you have 27 mils you can dial up.
They used part of the 36mm for a different type of housing for the lenses. At least that’s how I understand it.
Something else I noticed in Frank's video, the coating on the scope, it looks like it is very "matte" with low light reflectivity off the surface. If you look at the Schmidt and other anodized scope tubes they do have a shine to them but I see no "shine" in the ZCO. I know it's nitpicking a bit but I do like that finish, reminds me a little of the Leupold Mark 5HD finish which is also very matte, same with the Vortex AMG. Sometimes it's the little things
Last edited:
Something else I noticed in Frank's video, the coating on the scope, it looks like be very "matte" with low light reflectivity off the surface. If you look at the Schmidt and other anodized scope tubes they do have a shine to them but I see no "shine" in the ZCO. I know it's nitpicking a bit but I do like that finish, reminds me a little of the Leupold Mark 5HD finish which is also very matte, same with the Vortex AMG. Sometimes it's the little things
Agreed. Little things are cool. Kahles putting the hex key in cap is really cool. Zcomp having markings where the screws are is also cool. I’m always looking for the damn screws.
Have you guys sorted out the left side windage configuration stuff yet?
Would it be availabe in left side windage AND left side parallax?
RRS has a mount in 36 as well. Saw it today and the ZC scope. Really really nice. Wish I could have looked through it range day yesterday.
We will be discussing the left side wind this week at SHOT. So I'm not sure when that might be available. I doubt left wind turret co-located with parallax.
Sweet! I'm a day late to the show, my flight got cancelled yesterday. I knew they were working on it, but wasn't sure if they'd have one here. Great stuff!
Now let’s get an MSR reticle and that left side wind and you have just created the holy grail for me.
Read everything I could about these scopes. Now I feel like my life would be incomplete without one.
Similar threads
