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Optics Trijicon ACOG 3.5x35 308 - TA11E

Like new, $775 Shipped

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Accessories PR tripod and Field plates gen2 updated!

Hi all, I've been toying with 3d printing for about a year now and am going to start offering my plates for sale.
the Tripod plate gen2 is now more compact , lighter and sturdier than previous gems. @ 4.5x6" and 3.5ozs ,l this arca compatible plate is perfect for carrying on a hunt and is just as able a companion in a match. It fits most plate bags perfectly as well as most other support bags. great for glassing and shooting off of.
Next is the Field plate, 4"x6", it is arca compatible and only adds around .35" to the bottom of your rifle making it very low profile. It will fit AG, weibad or and similar strap on bags.
Both are made of ASA and have been thoroughly tested for durability. Currently I have black, forest green on hand but if there is something specific you'd like we can make that happen.
Tripod plates will be $45 shipped and the Fields will be $50 shipped. Thank you,

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Accessories Vortex impact 4000 $1300

Vortex impact 4000 $1300. Used half a dozen times in great condition.

Trades:
Trijicon SRO 5 MOA

Located in Lakeville MN for F2F. PayPal or Venmo

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Precision Rifle Gear Tango Innovations FIRE4000 WMLRF Initial Impressions

Preface:​

I have no involvement with the company, purchased this product for full MSRP on pre-order. This post is meant to discuss the unit's capabilities and impressions after using it for couple of days. The idea is to expand and update (& correct) this post with feedback from others who have experience with the product.

Here’s MountainMulletsAmerica review:
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Rumors began flying in early '24 about a new WMLRF coming out later that year. This was eventually confirmed when a few posts surfaced on social media and @DocUSMCRetired himself confirmed the unit's existence later in the year here on the Hide. With options limited for years to essentially a Raptar, Radius & STORM or recently MARS, MRF and Vortex 4000. With some major downsides to most of those options, new WMLRF with onboard Applied ballistics just north of a $1000 was a fairly exciting proposition. Despite sour taste from a few pre-orders in this industry in the past, I obviously learned nothing & went ahead and got on the list. Orders were taken in late December '24 with full price paid upfront, ETA from Tango Innovations was 2nd or 3rd week in Jan '25. They only missed the deadline by about a week, with email communication on the original deadline stating as such. Shipping was upgraded to expedited as a result for everyone on pre-order free of charge. Good on them in that respect, no gripes from me.

What arrived:
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Well packaged unit with remote button (4 pin connector, fisher maybe?), some zip ties & zero-ing reflective targets (no stickers, c'mon guys, all of us are suckers for stickers!). Manual is on the website and another copy was emailed with the note "no paper manual included. Applied Ballistics is in the process of transitioning to the new AB Quantum app, which will soon simplify the control of all your devices. Since this change is happening soon, we’ve provided a virtual manual instead." I have no idea what this transition will look like for Fire4000 users.

Key Features directly from Tango with a few of my own notes:​

We develop our own app (AB Synapse - BOSS) and ally with Applied Ballistic. There are different models of software applications. Search for AB Synapse – Boss or BOSS on both Apple iOS and Android, Google Play.
1. FIRE4000 UltraLite (For Hunting)
2. FIRE4000 Sportsman (For Sport Training)
3. FIRE4000 Elite (For Long Professional Shooting)- I assume this is what we got with lower models coming out in the future?

OLED Display
The built-in laser rangefinder can quickly measure the target distance and angle, displaying the results on the OLED screen. Additionally, there is a setting for adjusting the screen brightness. The display is amazingly crisp, 3 brightness settings, it shows all relevant information as far as I can tell so far. if I had to complain about something. I could use a NV friendly brightness setting on the low end.

Vertical and Horizontal Screen
There are settings for both Vertical and Horizontal screens, available on both the left and right sides. To adjust the screen direction, long press for 2 seconds to cycle through the 1-2-3 options. This function works as advertised and is obviously useful for horizontal vs vertical mounting.

Invisible Laser and Visible Laser
The invisible laser, Class 1 with a wavelength of 905nm, is used for measuring distances up to 4000 yards.
The visible laser, Class 2 with a wavelength of 635nm, is utilized for zeroing in on targets and measuring distances up to 100 yards.

Battery Performance
Battery Model : CR123A 3V
Installation : Battery "+" facing inward, "-" facing outward.

Weight is listed at 420g which is 14.8 oz, I weighed this thing at 15.7 oz including the activation cable, so they weren't lying and this thing is a Chooonk. Not that it's current main competitor Vortex is any lighter at 16oz. This area should be the main area of improvement if there's ever a V2 of this. MARS is 1/2 the weight (and 7x the price, I know) but the technology is there nowadays, and I don't see any backcountry hunters packing an extra pound when handheld RFs are in the 6-8 oz range nowadays.
Dimensions listed are 111x75x47mm, which is 4.37x2.95x1.85in. The width is really 2.5in if you don't measure the battery cap and the height is closer to 1.5in from top of the rail.

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Performance:
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Popped a new CR123 in and powered on unit. Manual is straighforward, setting this thing up is very intuitive including the BOSS app and took 2-3 minutes. I have a S&B US waiting on a mount, so I took the chance to mount it on some spare NF rings and threw the Fire4000 on top. You could follow the zeroing instructions at 100yds, but at dusk, the red laser is visible out to a good distance so I just parallel zero'd at roughly 1000yds in the near darkness.

While we are talking about zeroing, the red laser activation button can be hard to activate/deactivate (this is by design to prevent NDs). The elevation/windage adjustments have no clicks to them, it just feels like you are turning against about 2-3 in/lbs of resistance. This doesn't bother me as I never understood everyone's obsession with tactile clicks and somehoe judging optic's tracking ability by how the clicks "feel" or "sound". Unless we are talking about TT clicks, but that is more of an art to me than a necessity. I'm probably starting an argument here so I digress... Looking through the optic, you can clearly see the laser moving the direction you're moving the flathead screwdriver, no biggie, gets the job done.

My vis seems fairly well slaved to the RF laser, I didn't get ranges off target (or inversely no range while on target) until I got out to ~2000 yards and even then it was only .1mil in the horizontal direction.

There are 2 AB modes on the unit, External and Internal.
External is straight forward, pair with a kestrel via BT and go. Connection is fast and automatic once you initially pair them. I have had those two units synced for about 30 min total so far on about 5 occasions and haven't dropped connection once. Kestrel gets the range from the Tango, does it's thing and spits the solution back out to the Tango under 0.5 sec. One great thing I was excited about is you can build your target card on the Kestrel by ranging with the FIRE4000, great.

The internal mode is a little different story and I hope I get some feedback from others so I can update. You use the BOSS app to set up the rifle profile (is the Quantum making it easy to transfer profiles from device to device?! because I'm about tired of making the same AB profiles across the ecosystem evertyime I pick up a new device...). This is where I am seeing some discrepancies, when the BOSS is connected to the FIRE4000, I seem to get correct elevation adjustments that match my Kestrel (within reason, some of the atmospheric and DOF conditions were off in below pic resulting in a small discrepancy).

However, once I go to airplane mode on my phone and let the device do 100% of the internal calculations, I get results that are... well let's say not exactly jiving with the Kestrel... EDIT 2/3/25: no longer an issue here after talking to customer service some more. Let me explain how this works and what most likely happened here. The Fire4000 gets the gun profile, atmospheric info, DOF and angle of fire from the phone app when they’re connected. Once you disconnect from the phone app and rely solely on the Fire4000 unit, it still uses the gun profile, DOF and atmospheric info that it had last received from the app. However since there’s a built in inclometer, it updates the angle of fire autonomously. That being said, what most likely had happened is I fudged the angle on the phone, then when I disconnected from the phone app and took a new range, the Fire4000 adjusted to the correct angle and spit out a different solution as a result. I confirmed tonight that I can’t replicate the issue, so as of right now, the standalone mode is gtg as far as I’m concerned. One other thing I noticed is that when you’re in AB external and connected to the Kestrel, simply switching to AB internal doesn’t automatically pick up the BOSS app on the phone. It’s like the kestrel is keeping the device locked in. I have to disconnect the kestrel first before the AB internal picks up the phone app.



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Ranged .2mil targets no problem out do 1000yds, all I have available past that are buildings, a water tower and stadium lights, it hit all those no problem to 2000yds first time everytime for me.

Random facts and thoughts:

Ranges compared to my Sig8k came back 3-5yds long on the FIRE4000 consistently at all distances, whether it was 100yds or 2000yds. Not big enough discrepancy to be able to verify with a GPS, so I'm calling it good enough for gov't work.

Vibration when acquiring a target is a feature I thought would get turned off immediately, will have to see how it affects battery life but as of right now it's actually a useful tool I will keep enabled.

Tango Innovations is a company I know nothing about, according to their contact, they appear California based, customer service communication has been ok so far.

Unit is made in China (ewww) according to the box.
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Mount is a spring loaded crossbolt design with 2 screws, no torque spec included so I guestimated and sent it.. Update from Tango: 40-45 in/lbs recommended for the mount.
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Powered by a single cr123 battery positioned in the correct perpendicular orientation.

Confirmed some load data and fired roughly 50 rnds of 6.5cr out of LMT MWS today, holding zero so far

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Activation switch could have been lot smaller, if not even just just more low profile, but not a deal breaker compared to a Raptar switch etc..

Distance and internal solution return is lightning fast, like .2-.3 sec is my guess.

Buttonology on top of the unit is well thought out, with most buttons providing a function with a short click and then some sort of a mode change with a 2 sec hold. GTG there, simple and effective.

Will have to update later on how this gets along with my PVS26, didn't get a chance to go out for night shenanigans this weekend.
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I'm sure I missed a ton, fire away Hiders, let me know what else there is to touch on...

Cool test done by [B]MinistryOfTruth[/B] on 2/3/25

28F Freezer Test (MinistryofTruth)​

Unit did not form any internal condensation when frozen to 28F for 2 hours. Was taken outside and used up against Impact4000.​

Tango displayed typical low battery warning with CR123, but not with 3.7V rechargeable.​

Scanning and other functionality worked excellently. Impact 4000 display was practically inop under same conditions. No display oddities were observed on the Tango.​

The Tango is a vfd so a picture of it is worthless.​

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@carbonbased was kind enough to put together a list of pros/cons between this and the Vortex unit:

Impact 4000 (Vortex)​

Cons
  • Battery life in cold weather with off-the-shelf batteries is very poor (special battery helps, but not sure how much)
  • Indication for battery failure is immediatelybefore unit shuts down (not helpful)
  • LCD screen is sluggish in the cold
  • Big boi, a far bit larger
  • A little heavier
  • Has own ballistic software, can’t true the ballistic curve at multiple distances simultaneously
  • Laser for ranging is different than visible laser used for zeroing. So, must skyline confirm zero with poles, edge of buildings, etc.
  • $300-$600 more expensive. $1700 currently at Eurooptic with VX15 coupon; $2000 retail.
  • Bluetooth remote
  • Too bright at night
  • ~1/2sec slower for ranging @ ~600yds
  • No haptic feedback

Pros
  • Amazing warranty
  • Onboard inclinometer

Neutrals/Unknowns/Unclear
  • Has onboard environmental sensors* (but these might get messed up by the sun beating down, or shooting from a warm space into the cold, etc)
  • Has a compass built-in**
  • Made in Taiwan (a pro to me, but maybe not to others)
  • Poly exterior
  • Workflow, building profiles, profile management, tethering limitations, Kestrel connectivity ease of use, etc


Fire4000 (Tango Innovations)​

Cons
  • Can’t read the screen with polarized sunglasses (not sure how big a deal this is)
  • Only a 3yr warranty
  • Remote cable doesn’t have a right-angle option
  • Too bright at night
  • Too easy to switch between meters & yds
  • “When updating environmental measurements using the phone and not having phone perfectly at 0° (the) incline reading gets wonky.” from @boomslang (link)

Pros
  • AB onboard, can true ballistics at multi-distances simultaneously
  • A fair bit smaller
  • A little lighter
  • ~1/2 sec faster ranging @ ~600yds
  • Cheaper, $1400
  • Wired remote
  • Haptic feedback
  • OLED screen (apparently not sluggish in the cold, users confirm please)
  • Onboard inclinometer

Neutrals/Unknowns/Unclear
  • Cold weather performance still up in the air (28°F test isn’t actually cold, in my book. It’s warm.)
  • Made in China (a neg to me, but maybe not to others)
  • No environmentals onboard*, but as mentioned it does measure shooting angle for correct ballistic solution
  • No compass**
  • Metal exterior
  • Workflow, building profiles, profile management, tethering limitations, Kestrel connectivity ease of use, etc
  • Zeroing ease (is viz laser same as ranging laser?)
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Notes:
*why the Fire4000 not having onboard environments is probably no big deal.

**ditto with the Fire4000‘s lack of a compass: see here

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Rifle Scopes My first what scope thread

Been out of the loop for abit and have been searching for a new scope. I’ve looked through some previous threads but haven’t found anything conclusive.

Right now, it’ll go on a 300WM. Primary usage is just target shooting and hunting.
-I want FFP, locking or capped windage, great eye box and would prefer decent FOV. Illumination preferred but not necesary.
- Good CA control, low light performance a plus.
-34mm main tube preffered.
-Warranty center being in the US is a must. I don’t want to have to send scopes back overseas if there as an issue.

Right now an XTR Pro or a 3-18x T6XI are at the front of my list. With an Uncle Sugar discount, they’re near the same price and in my budget.

I have had an XRS3 and I do not want the DMR.

A Cronus would be the easy button but no capped or locking windage.

I was looking at the Zeiss S3 4.5-20 but I saw frequent reports the eyebox was tight.

Is there anything else I haven’t come across in the $1800 range that should be a contender to the Burris and Steiner?

Which suppressor to use on my rifle? (Griffin 30SD-K or SiCo Specwar 762)

These are my two rifle suppressors I have at the time and curious which you'd recommend running on a PRS style rifle in 6GT. The Specwar is 9" and 24oz, but it threads on to a muzzle device and locks up fairly well. The Griffin 30SD-K is both shorter and lighter (17.5oz and 6.7") but uses GateLok so it has some slight movement to it. I'm not sure if that could induce any inaccuracy in the gun and if just going with a more secure lockup would be better than saving weight/length in an already long and heavy rifle.

2A ALERT for COLORADO: CO AWB at Gov's desk. THIRTEEN new antigun bills to be watched. Update on post 106 pg 3..

BREAKING: Colorado Democrats' AWB has advanced one step to committee and will now be discussed upon at an open hearing scheduled for Tuesday 01/28/2025.

Senate Bill 25-003 is a general ban on ALL semiautomatic rifles which feed from a detachable magazine. In addition, SB25-003 will also prohibit the use of aftermarket triggers and so called "rapid fire devices" in any firearm in circulation.

In the GOA link below, an orange fast-track contact shortcut is provided at the top of the page.

Please contact these committee members and DEMAND they vote NO on SB 25-003:

  • Matt Ball
  • Tom Sullivan
  • Mike Weissman
  • Byron Pelton
  • Rod Pelton
LINK:



TO JOIN CO GENERAL ASSEMBLY PUBLIC COMMITTEE HEARING ON SB25-003 AND VOICE YOUR OPPOSITION TO THIS BILL, SIGN UP HERE:



Colorado residents can attend this meeting in person, submit a written statement, or attend a Zoom online conference. Follow the instructions on the signup and registration page to proceed.

For anyone who intends to participate in this and future hearings via Zoom, keep in mind that Zoom Basic is free for all to download and use, but it has limitations and a 40 minute limit on live calls. For personal/family use, especially if you are using it all the time, Zoom Pro is $13.33 per month on an annual plan and allows the user full access to features like 30 hours per call, domestic and international.

JOIN GUN OWNERS OF AMERICA HERE:

Accessories Impact Data Book, Mil-Dot Master, Field Density Altitude Comp

Impact Data Book, standard size with regular 80 weight paper. 16 square target pages, 15 silhouette target pages, 18 circle target, 7 blank target pages, plus 90% of the standard pages you get when you buy a new book. $20

Mil-Dot Master in yards. $15

Field Density Altitude Compensator (FDAC). Cards are for a variety of bullet velocities for 308 Win, 175gr SMK. $25

Buyer pays shipping in CONUS. Thanks for looking.
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Night Vision Guide Sensmart Thermal Blowout!

Hey y'all!
We have had our remaining Guide units on sale and we don't have many left! These were the best units for the money at the normal price, they are a steal now with the 20% off add-to-cart pricing!
We have a handful of TA (Clip-on) variants left, each one comes with our custom mount adapter and ADM clamp, as well as the Industry leading 10 year warranty.

The 50mm's will take about 12x day-scope zoom comfortably and fulfill the mid range thermal role very well. The 384 versions look damn close to the 640s due to the higher screen res.
TA651
TA451

The 30mm will perform similar to a C35 if you've ever used one, but with better processing/image, less rail space, almost half the weight, better warranty, etc. They will take about 8x zoom comfortably.
TA631
TA431

We also have 1x TR420 (384 20mm), TR620 (640 20mm), and TR450 (384 50mm) left if you prefer a TWS.
TR450
TR620
TR420


Text, call, or email before you buy or if you have any questions!
Tyler Martin
214-507-7208
[email protected]

Accessories McMillan MC3 stock. Rem 700LA BDL

Never used. Excellent condition. This is setup for:
- rem700 long action
- up to sporter/magnum profile barrel
-ready for BDL bottom metal
-aluminum pillars molded in.

Great inexpensive replacement stock.

$215 shipped or trade. Looking for DTA srs accessories, 338 norma brass, 308 ammo, maybe more

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Accessories Leather Bandoleer holster for scoped Colt Anaconda

Hunter 068-200-5 leather bandoleer holster for large scoped revolvers. Excellent condition and only carried a Colt Anaconda on a handful of hunts $80

Trade +- for desert tech mags ,parts, accessories, new Lapua .223, 6 dasher, 6.5x47, or 338 norma brass. Or factory 270 ammo
You can also click on my username to see other items i am trying to move. I'll combine shipping as much as possible.

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  • Poll
What MOA dot for target Aquisition on bolt guns?

What MOA dot for target Aquisition on bolt guns?

  • 1 MOA RMR

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3.25 MOA RMR

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 6.5 MOA RMR

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2.5 MOA ACRO

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 3.5 MOA ACRO

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2 MOA T2

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 1 MOA SRO

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 2.5 MOA SRO

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • 5 MOA SRO

    Votes: 0 0.0%

Hey guys,

Reposting this in comp thread as I hope it gets better traction!

Looking to get some feedback from the group running RMR/SRO/Aimpoint/etc on top of 20+ zoom scopes for target acquisition out to 900 yards. Is a more definitive small dot like a 1 moa RMR the way to go? Should an easier to pick up 6.5 MOA RMR be better? something in the middle?

Pictures with feedback is always appreciated. I would be running a Vortex Razor G2 4.5-27 and a Vortex impact 4000. Using a baldknobber diving board mount for the RMR/SRO for reference so i will be using an RMR. see below link and picture.
https://baldknobberarmament.com/34mm-rh-rmr-nf-diving-board-mount/
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The Essential Fundamentals Of Precision Long Range Rifle

 Long range shooting is a journey.  Little did I know, as a young Marine recruited to  Surveillance – Target Acquisition Platoon in 1986, that I would still be in this game some thirty-seven years later.  That is how some journeys are.  One doesn’t realize that a journey has been undertaken until  time passes and you find you are traveling the same path.



     The knowledge I acquired in that position was leading-edge for long range shooters of the time.  My instructors and mentors were a mix of competitive shooters and military snipers.  In those days the only shooters with any interest in ranges beyond short hunting ranges were of those two disciplines.



The Realization



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     I  thought I had it all figured out.  The reality was I had acquired fundamentals and a small amount of knowledge, but had very little understanding...

Continue reading...


Accessories Foam Case Insert: Garmin Xero + Kestrel 5700

Custom Foam Insert for Garmin Xero C1 Pro Chronograph & Kestrel 5700 Ballistics Weather Meter

Safely store and protect the Garmin, Tripod, and Kestrel with lanyard while not in use.

Designed for either:
1) Apache 550
- Weatherproof Clear Case from Harbor Freight
2) AREA 419 Clear Case
- Included with scope rings and reloading dies (~4.375" x ~8.375" Internal Dimensions)
3) Seahorse 56
- Waterproof Dry Box Hard Protective Micro Case - Mil Spec/USA Made/IP67 Waterproof/Lockable/Airtight
- Multiple colors available
- Amazon Link
4) Pelican M60
- RUGGED AND WATERPOOF: Waterproof, crushproof, dustproof - IP67 rated protection
- Dual latches and a padlock hole for increased security
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$22 Shipped PayPal F&F USPS CONUS
Send me a private message with case option, shipping address, and I will provide PayPal email.


Package will be shipped day after order was receive.
-Orders received on weekends will ship Monday.

*Does not include Garmin Xero C1 Pro Chronograph, Kestrel 5700 Ballistics Weather Meter, Apache 550/AREA 419 Case, or Accessories

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Reloading Equipment New Universal Rollsizer

Brand new Universal Rollsizer

I purchased this with plans on using it for a few calibers. I ended up not needing it. It is brand new, and comes with an Inline Fabrication plate if wanted. The plate hasn't been opened yet, in case I need to return it. Shipping label pictured below.

$875 shipped for Rollsizer
$900 shipped w/ Inline Fabrication plate

Save yourself some money on tax and shipping.

No trades at this time please.

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