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Which rifle for DMR class

I’m hoping to attend my first DMR class in the coming months. I’ve had training in my prior LE career, but there was a hard line… no engagement outside of 100 yards.. so basically useless. I have several nice systems, but it appears than DMR = semi auto. Looks like most classes top out at 600-700 yards.
The first two that came to mind are my recently built 6.5 Grendel’s.
18” with NightForce NX8 2.5-20x with Geissele SDE
13.9” with Steiner T6XI 2.5-15x with Geissele SDE
Both are using Craddock RTR barrels. The 18” was sub MOA with Precision Firearms 120 Scenar L right from the start. Havent shot the 13.9” yet but will be starting load development for both shortly.
I then forgot that I also have a 16” SCAR barrel with KNS DiSCARder and KDG rail in addition to the 13” that’s stays on it. The 13” has a Trijicon Credo 1-8. I have no optic for the 16” barrel. All load development has been for 125 Controlled Chaos from the 13” barrel so I’d need to load some 169SMKs and see how they do. The SCAR has a Geissele Super Scar trigger.
Which system would you go with? If the 16” SCAR, what optic? I prefer NightForce, Steiner, and Trijicon.
I’ll pick up a Kestrel and probably the Leica laser rangefinder.

Thoughts from those with experience is greatly appreciated.
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Ross Precision Machine (Paul Ross)

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Since 2006 when I returned Stateside from my first deployment I have been working with Compass Lake Engineering building some of the finest Barrels that I've ever had the privileged to own.

For the first few years I mostly dealt directly with Frank White, once I started ordering more one off specialty barrels Frank put me in touch with his head Barrel Smith Paul Ross.

For the first five years Paul cut his teeth under the instruction of Frank White and fast became the Head Barrel Smith behind the scene of CLE, which resulted in a well served 20-year Tenure with CLE.

CLE has since closed thier doors but Paul Ross continues to strive for perfection with his new Company ROSS PRECISION MACHINE.
Paul offers a Multitude of separate services other than Gas Gun Barrels under his new Company, He has since branched out to Custom Bolt Gun Services as well and to no surprise his quality of work always supersedes his customers expectations.

Below you'll see a multitude of Small and Large Frame Gas Rifles Photos, this is a very, very short list of Custom Barrels that Paul has turned for me producing True Sub Half MOA Gas Guns.

MK12 Hybrid Bartlein 6.5 Grendel

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20" Kreiger .223 SPR

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18" Bartlein SPR

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16" Kreiger Recce

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First Seekins SP10 Custom Build with my 22" Bartlein 6.5CM barrel Design.

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Several Custom JP PRS Rifles both Small and Large Frame all with 20"-24" Bartlein Barrel in .223 .308, 6MM and 6.5CM.

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Custom Mega Build with 20" Bartlein.

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Current Seekins SP10 Build with my 22" Bartlein Barrel Design.

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Seekins Small frame .223

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And a Countless list stemming back 15 years of LaRue uppers that I've rebelled, all with Paul Ross Custom Barrels.

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There have been countless Snipershide Members that I have either personally built custom uppers for or have put them in contact with Paul Ross who has used the same successfully designs that Paul and I have Achieved over the years and have all been extremely satisfied with the quality of his services, if you're one of those members please feel free to post your stories in here.

Every Barrel that I've designed or ordered from Paul has been 1/2 MOA or less, but when working with Paul it's much more than just receiving a quality product, his Custom Service is second to none and he never shies away from a challenge.

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NEW From Zermatt Arms - RimX Actions

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- Remington 700 Footprint
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- 22 LR / 17 Mach 2
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Optics Zeiss s3 4-25x50 in Area 419 mount

Zeiss s3 4-25x50 MIL reticle, scope is in great shape and glass is perfect. I love this optic, but don’t really have a setup for it right now. I have the original box.

Right now it’s sitting in an Area 419 mount. I will sell optic with or without the mount, but won’t sell the mount separately.

Please message with any questions or if you want more pictures/videos.

I accept PayPal, Venmo or cashapp

I have no problem calling/texting/facetiming. Shipping is insured through ups or fedex.

Asking $2000 shipped for optic and mount or $1750 shipped.

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Need help for my soon to be 9 year old 1st rifle

Need some help deciding for my youngest boys first rifle.

Average 9 yo. Looking for a gun he can grow with that isn’t a POS

Narrowed down to two but willing to hear out other suggestions.

Trying to keep it under $750

He will be using it for target shooting, small game hunting.

Choice 1

TacInc 10/22 left hand receiver & bolt, Kidd ULW barrel, Blackhawk axiom stock (have gift card to cover that), trigger group (got to shop around). This gun is super modular and can be upgraded as he grows. Stock should fit him and the entire gun should be light enough for him to shoot.

He likes semiauto - who doesn’t

Choice 2

CZ 457 scout + Acculite/whistlpig 16.5” fluted, threaded barrel, aftermarket boltknob. The barrel channel will need to be sanded out on the stock. Don’t know if the stock fits him though. Should be pretty light.

he can use a bolt action and it will make him choose his shots. Not quite as fun as a semiauto especially when jackrabbit hunting.


The cz would be the easiest and cheapest but is that really the best option?

Bought my oldest a RPRr and it has been accurate but picky on ammo sticking and it was heavy.

Could get a new Ruger carbon but I’m not sold on Rugers accuracy and their triggers have been crap imho.

PortaJohn

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Weird Eley Match Lot#

Put a new CZ457 together with a Brux barrel and MDT chassis. Been going through different ammo to get a feel for what it liked. It seems to really like the Eley Match so I ordered 8 lots. All of them overall shot really good but found one lot that shot exceptionally well with a velocity range I liked with low SD’s.
So I ordered 3000 of said lot and when it comes in I go to shooting it. Shoots really well but here’s the odd part. It’s actually two different lots. The lot I tested and part of the lot I ordered match up perfectly. Average velocity of 1091fps and SD 4-5. The second lot within this lot has an average velocity of 1111fps with an SD of 6. So far I’ve tested 18 boxes and they two lots are about 50/50. You can test a box and the whole box will be one or the other with SD’s being right at what I posted above. I’ve been in the competitive 22 for a long time and I’ve seen a lot of things but never anything like this. Not going to be that big of a deal but will have to go through every box and chrono and mark that box as one or the either. 🤷

New 4 oz. AIR BRACE Cantilever Mount, American Rifle Company Black Friday Sale

Earth Folk,

Over the years, many people have asked me to design a cantilever scope mount optimized for AR-15 platforms. We'll I finally got around to it and here it is. We're calling it the AIR BRACE because the emphasis is on ultra-light weight while trying to keep the cantilever as stiff and strong as possible. The 30mm diameter x 38mm high mount weighs in at 4 ounces making it among the lightest in the industry, especially if one actually cares about the stiffness of the cantilever section. The mount also includes a level vial at the aft end that is back-lit through a hole that runs through the entire length of it, however, it is likely useful only for the young or those older folks lucky enough to see clearly up close. I used to be young.

Note that the images below are renderings. I'll post a picture of the real thing on a rifle soon. Torque values are 35 and 55 lb-in for the scope and rail respectively. I decided to go with one M4x0.7 screw for each scope clamp because it can handle torque in excess of 40 lb-in. Bear in mind that most mounts have at least two screws per side per ring to which 15-20 lb-in of torque is typically applied. Since we're doing the same job with one screw, twice as much torque must be applied, about 35 lb-in, to result in similar clamping force.

Should a two-screw version of the scope ring ever be required, we can easily and quickly introduced retrofit-able caps but I doubt that will be necessary. I used the AIR BRACE to hold a Schmidt & Bender 5-25x56 PM II on top of an old 10.2 lb Sako TRG-42 through which I put about 100 rounds of 338 LM. The experience was generally unpleasant because I really don't like recoil, but the AIR BRACE did its job maintaining and returning to zero. That said, our M-BRACE rings and mount are better choices for big stuff.

We're pricing the AIR BRACE at $349 but, since tomorrow is Black Friday, we're offering it at $279 though Monday.

Enjoy and have a happy Thanksgiving.


Ted

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Maggie’s Mower purchase

A buddy and have talked about buying a mower for our church .........a small church, maybe 15 acres ..........we have been using members mowers, but it would be nice to have one on site, and not have to depend on someone showing up with a mower.......They do have a tax exempt number we can use...........any suggestions on getting a "DEAL" would be appreciated.......looking for something like a 60" ZTR................Thank you........

Massachusetts Dem Senator Ed Markey Pushes Bill That Could Prevent Churches From Using Armed Security




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Senator Ed Markey (D-MA) is pushing legislation that could prevent churches from protecting themselves with armed security. In the House, this was pushed by Democrat Hank Johnson, who famously suggested that Guam could tip over if too many people were there.

It doesn’t matter how bad crime gets, Democrats continue to push for Americans to be disarmed.

Just last week, there was a shooting at Lakewood Church in Texas.

So now, at a time when more churches are probably considering armed security, Democrats are pushing this. Unreal.

Breitbart News reports:


Senate Democrats Push Bill That Could Prevent Churches From Having Armed Security
Senator Edward Markey (D-MA) is pushing legislation that could prevent churches around the country from using a “security services unit” comprised of concealed carriers in congregations, parishes, etc.
The bill is the Preventing Private Military Act of 2024, and it is co-sponsored by Senator Laphonza Butler (D-CA).
The text of the bill prohibits “acting as part of or on behalf of a private paramilitary organization and armed with a firearm, explosive or incendiary device, or other dangerous weapon.”
In another portion of the bill, the text provides circumstances that qualify as an action that is prohibited and includes the use of “large capacity ammunition feeding devices,” which is leftist speak for magazines that hold more than ten rounds.

More from Protestia:

Senate Democrats Propose Bill That Would Criminalize Armed Church Security
A recent Lifeway survey of Protestant pastors shows that armed congregants protect more than 50% of protestant churches. While these security arrangements vary in their level of sophistication on a church-by-church basis, nearly the same number of pastors who report the use of armed congregants report that there is an intentional plan in place to prepare for threats posed by an active shooter. Though various state and local laws currently regulate and limit the use of concealed carry weapons by church security teams in various locale, a proposed federal law would criminalize the preparations made by many armed church security teams across the United States.
Sponsored in the U.S. Senate by Senator Edward Markey (D-MA) and cosponsored by Senator Laphonza Butler (D-CA), the Preventing Private Military Activity Act of 2024 widely defines a paramilitary group as any group of 3 or more persons who function under a command structure as a “security services unit.”

Democrats just keep chipping away at gun rights. They know they can’t overturn the Second Amendment – yet – so they just keep making it more difficult for people to own and use guns for protection.