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Is bullet still stable/accurate after it goes subsonic?

Is a bullet still stable/accurate after it goes subsonic?

I know that my precision AR is a tack driver out to 800 yards, but falls off the face of a cliff at 900. Thinking that is because at 800 yards bullet is going transonic. So thinking about various cartridges, what is the max range? I ran through the following calcs:
CartridgeMVBulletYardsFPSmach
5.56285075 BTHP80011731.07
6.5CM2789147 ELD-m150012311.10
30882550178 ELD-M100012271.12
300WM2850225 ELD-M170012031.10
338 Lapua2900285 ELD-M190011731.07
Seems like many are shooting those cartridges past the above distances I have. Also, what would the advantage (other than energy) be for a 338 over a 300WM at a mile and wouldn't you be able to take a 300WM as far as a 338 accurately?

I want to take my 6.5 CM and try shooting at a mile (the bullet will be at 1050 fps or m=.94) - will this be possible? My 300WM is only a 2 minute rifle so no point in trying to take it that far & I do not have a 338.

Maggie’s Motivational Pic Thread v2.0 - - New Rules - See Post #1

The last thread got accidentally deleted while trying to clean-up some moron's inappropriate post. So, let's give this one a fighting chance:

- No naked crotch pics
- No Politics
- No religious stuff
- NO celebrity nudes, fake nudes, or uploaded nudes

If you're posting topless pics they need to be hot linked and hosted elsewhere. If you upload something that draws undue legal scrutiny to this site your post will be subject to removal and you can be banned from membership.

The Motivational Pic Thread is dead; Long Live the Motivational Pic Thread v2.0!!!


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Optics Athlon Cronus BTR Gen2 4.5-29x56 APRS6 FFP MIL scope - $975

Selling a used Athlon Cronus BTR Gen2 4.5-29x FFP APRS6 MIL scope. Put this on a Vudoo v22 rifle, and only used it for a couple of range trips. A couple of light marks from scope rings, and a couple of light marks on the knobs, see pictures. Glass is flawless. Scope is in good condition, and the sun shade is included. Asking $975 shipped.

Zelle is preferred, but can also take discreet PayPal FF.

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I.O.T.A (Indoor Optical Training Aid)

Everyone says dry fire, dry fire, dry fire, and then do some more dry firing to improve your fundamentals, and positional shooting skills. If this is the case, how come most shooters don’t do it?

I believe that most guys don’t dry fire because they can’t do it in the comfort of their own home without having to put their cross hairs on their neighbor’s house or focus on something down the street. Depending on where you live, you could get a visit by your local PD.

We all know most scopes are not designed to focus down to 10 to 12 feet, which is the distance that can be found in any house or apartment hallway. Most of the scopes I have used won’t even focus down at 20 feet clearly and parallax free to enable me to really focus on the sight picture while dry firing.

Chuck from Reno, Nevada has developed a new gadget that will make dry firing indoors a whole new experience. Chuck calls his little invention the I.O.T.A, Indoor Optical Training Aid. The guys in our club have been the guinea pigs for the last several months for this neat gadget that will allow a shooter to focus a 20X scope down to 10 feet, clearly and parallax free. The sight picture is so clear and focused that you can actually see the fibers on a piece of paper at 10 feet on 20X.

The unit itself is rather simple, and works flawlessly. Each I.O.T.A is made for a specific objective diameter of a particular optic. The one Chuck made for me is designed for my Premier 5-25X. The unit comes completely assembled and ready to go. All the shooter has to do is take off their existing objective lens cover and replace it with the I.O.T.A. No other modification is needed to your scope in order to use the I.O.T.A.

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BAM! Now you can focus down to about 10 feet on 20X with your Premier 5-25X. It doesn’t get any easier than that.

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Here is my dry firing setup in my bedroom. All I needed was 10 feet from the scope to the target.

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I used a moving box with a few small dots for my point of aim. There is a ½” dot that I use for positional practice, a ¼”” dot I use for speed drills, and a little dot I put on the box with a sharpie for prone dry firing practice.

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Here are a few pictures taken through the scope to give you an idea of what the sight picture looks like. To be fair to the I.O.T.A, I suck at taking pictures like this. It took me 45 freaking minutes to get these. When you are actually behind the scope, the sight picture is crystal clear. I had my Premier set at 20X - 25X focused on a target 10 feet away

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Now I am able to dry fire with a clear and parallax free sight picture inside the comfort of my own home.

After having the chance to play with the I.O.T.A for a bit, I came up with the target pictured below. It has dots small enough for slow fire prone, speed drills, hold over drills, and positional practice. The I.O.T.A can also be used to ensure your reticle is lined up correctly via a plumb line. You will be amazed how clearly you can focus on a thin piece of thread at 10 feet.

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I believe Chuck will be offering these for around $60.00 shipped. The price is right considering the cost of match ammo and components these days. Chuck goes by 264shooter on the Hide, or can be reached at [email protected]. He was hesitant about putting this out there for sale in the mainstream, but I think the I.O.T.A. can help all of us improve our shooting while save a few bucks on ammo.

Optics EOTECH CLIPNV 2705 FOM

Mint condition EOTECH CLIPNV. White Phos 2705 FOM. Stunning unit, super bright, works well with LPVO's and MPVO's and will take up to 10-12X magnification. EOTECH has a 10 Year warranty on these units. The paperwork from EOTECH shows this one coming in December 2024 so you have plenty of time left on the warranty.

Selling to put the funds toward a pair of Pano's I have on reserve.

You can read Horta's review here where it stacks up favorably to a L3 CNVD-LR: https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/eotech-clipnv-vs-l3-cnvd-lr.7162623/

$7,500 OBO

If you live in NC or nearby I can meet you at Coleman's Creek Training Center for you to inspect the unit and put it to use prior to your decision.

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Accessories Geissele mk13 trigger marked “R”

New perfect condition mk13 trigger. Handmade Geissele marked “R”

$1,650 shipped and insured

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Maggie’s Socially UNacceptable Humor

I was in bed with a blind girl last night and she said that I had the biggest 'member' she had ever laid her hands on.
I said "You're pulling my leg."

I saw a poor old lady fall over today on the ice!!
At least I presume she was poor – she only had $1.20 in her purse.

My girlfriend thinks that I'm a stalker.
Well, she's not exactly my girlfriend, yet.

A wife says to her husband you're always pushing me around and talking behind my back.
He says what do you expect? You're in a wheel chair.

I was explaining to my wife last night that when you die you get reincarnated but must come back as a different creature.
She said she would like to come back as a cow.
I said, "You're obviously not listening."

The wife has been missing a week now. Police said to prepare for the worst.
So, I went back to the thrift shop and got all of her clothes back.

At the Senior Citizens Center they had a contest the other day. I lost by one point:
The question was: Where do women mostly have curly hair?
Apparently the correct answer was Africa.

There's a new Muslim clothing shop opened in our shopping center, but I've been banned from it after asking to look at some of the new bomber jackets.

You can say lots of bad things about pedophiles but at least they drive slowly past schools.

Just put a deposit down on a brand new Porsche and mentioned it on Facebook.
I said, "I can't wait for the new 911 to arrive!"
Next thing I know 4,000 Muslims have added me as a friend.

The Red Cross have just knocked at my door and asked if I could help towards the floods in Pakistan.
I said I would love to, but our garden hose only reaches the driveway.

Is the March FX 4.5-28x52 my new ZCO?

Of course this is a somewhat rhetorical question, but there is an ounce of query in there. You see, I just picked up a new March FX 4.5-28x52 on sale from Eurooptic. If you have ever looked into this brand you will note that it is generally very expensive, and the premium is interesting considering most Japanese scopes, OEM, or otherwise are in general more affordable when compared to a ZCO, Tangent, or SnB. However from all I can tell this model is absolutely on par with any one of those brands, and it's understandable now why it commands a premium. Now, I have not had time yet to take it out to distance and see how it tracks but I can tell you that from every thing I can see it compares very well against a ZCO or an SNB, and even my old TT and Premier. This honestly feels like the most refined optic I have ever owned, and I have owned about every top tier brand besides a ZCO, now I feel I don't need a ZCO frankly. With the 4.5-28x52 the glass is stunning in clarity, pop, color, and resolution. The wide angle eyepiece offers a very wide field of view, more so than any of my other tactical scopes. Optically it's very impressive considering it's compact size, the glass is very reminiscent of a PM2 in color temperature. At the upper range the eyebox seems a little tight but otherwise 25x and lower it's fine. The turrets are very audible and positive, the zero stop is an eloquent design and easy to set. All of the controls are smooth and offer excellent feedback and lockup. The engravings even look premium and perfect. Though I will not take it out to distance until next week the reticle is excellent, it's not to thick, nor to thin at any mag, it's laser sharp, and all the markings are exactly where they should be, as a matter of fact the reticle was designed by our resident Dark Lord Of Optics, and i'll say great job Mr. Koshkin! Though March has been around for a while it's nice to see them coming out with something so premium. I think the other top tier European brands need a good Japanese competitor. I truly appreciate Japanese excellence, refinement, and attention to detail and the March FX 4.5-28x52 is a great example of Japanese perfectionism, in fact I am so impressed I may have to pick up another March should the need arise.

After I take this the distance I will report further on the scopes performance.

If you want a further review and way more detail on this optic I highly recommend Glassaholics extensive review and comparo against the Canada's main battleship the Tangent Theta.


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Firearms WTS Terminus Zeus QC/ Manners TCS Altus Build (multiple barrels)

In “like new” condition. Little to no wear on or inside the action or the bolt. No dings or scratches on action, barrel, or stock. Love this rifle. Have shot a couple of PRS matches with it and it has never let me down. I do not necessarily need to sell…. but I am thinking about using this to fund another project.

Terminus Zeus QC

308 Bolt Face

Bartlein 26” MTU in 6GT (+/- 400 rounds on barrel)

PROOF research 20” carbon sendero in .308 (+/- 150 rounds on barrel)

Manners TCS

  • includes all arca-rail brass weights, additional butt pad weight, and additional LOP spacers
  • Sikes clutch rail installed by altus. Clutch knob included
  • Badger EFR installed/ bedded by Altus
Triggertech Diamond Trigger

Includes (3) AICS pattern magazines

  • (1) 10rd MDT Mag
  • (1) 12rd MDT Mag
  • (1) 10rd Accurate Mag w/ +2 baseplate
Area 419 Hellfire 3 port MB

Rifle, Accessories, and additional PROOF barrel: $5,250

Additional items for sale... Badger Ordnance 1.275" 34mm rings with coaxial range finder bridge/ mount: $325

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Firearms Sabre M110 AR-10 308 / 6.5CM w/ Extras

I picked this rifle up in Dec works great no issues with cycling, likes: 308: 168, 175 BTHP & 6.5 CM: 140 BTHP from AAC factory ammo.
  • 16" 416R Stainless 308 barrel threaded in 5/8x24
  • 16" Ballistic Advantage 6.5 Creedmoor barrel threaded 5/8x24
  • 3-prong muzzle break
  • adjustable gas block
  • 15” handguard
  • Chrome BCG
  • Match trigger
  • Bolt Release BAD Lever
  • A5 buffer tube, Geissele braided Spring H1 buffer
  • B5 precision stock
  • Lantac & Magpul P-magazines.
  • Magpul Bipod
  • Arken 4-16 SH-4 Scope
  • ADM QD mount
  • Original B5 Stock
$1400- Shipped- OBO

Thanks

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Accessories Muzzle Devices/Supp Mounts

ECCO Machine HUB mount 11/16-24 unfired - $50
SilencerCo HUB mount 1/2-28 unfired - $50
SilencerCo Bravo Anchor Brake unfired - $50
Older Gen APA brake, 30cal M18x1, well used - $80
R&D Precision brake, 30cal 5/8-24, lightly used - $60
Nightforce MagMount, 30mm 1.375" 0moa with accessory cap, lightly used - $old

All prices shipped. PPFF or Zelle preferred.

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Ammo 1 day left on sale! Norma Bondstrike Ammo Sale! 6.5PRC, 7PRC, 300wsm, 300PRC, 308 win.

Super sale on remaining 6.5 PRC 143gr Bondstrike and 7PRC 165gr Bondstrike, 300WSM 180gr Bondstrike, and 300PRC 180gr Bondstrike. This is their latest and greatest bonded long range hunting ammo.

---308 Win. 180gr. $245 shipped per (10 boxes) case of 200. Normally 390. Only 5 Left.
---6.5 PRC, $380 shipped per case of 200. Normally $570. Now only 6 left.
---7PRC ALL SOLD OUT.
---300WSM, Update: $200 Shipped for just 5 boxes left. (100 rounds)
---300PRC. 9 single boxes of 20 remain. $370 shipped for the 9.

Very limited quantities left. When it's gone its gone.

Card adds 3% Colorado residents have tax. Venno, zelle, Check all work for cash pricing.


Edit. Cross posted and quantities updated as of March 31st at 930Pm MST.

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Rifle Scopes Scope riser on a prs rifle? i have an eye relief problem

Evening gents. Im setting up a rifle, picked up a ZCO527 for it and I'm struggling to get proper eye relief. It seems like a lot of guys have the opposite problem from me, I'm 6'4", long neck, long arms, but with the way I interface with the gun I can't get the scope back far enough. I'm setting the gun up for shooting barricade 90% of the time, and I normally use around 14.5" LOP.

Im considering buying a pic rail with an overhang so I could scoot the mount back further. Leupold "mark AR", Scalarworks "fuse/01" and PRI are what I've looked at as possible solutions. I'm a little bit hesitant though because this adds complexity, more machined parts, tolerance stacking, things to come loose smd shift etc. Does anyone have experience using a riser like this on a PRS type gun? Any problems with it? I imagine it'd be fine but it gives me the ick as the kids say. I know too many CNC operators...

Another option is to have a scope base custom made that gives me a few more pic rail slots to the rear but that'll be a PITA.

I've never had this problem before so I'm a bit vexed.
If anyone has suggestions or experience using a riser on a precision gun lmk I'd like to hear your thoughts.

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Ukraine war Bullshit.

This has gone far enough. And the he bullshitters are now in high gear.

A link to the article is first:

https://www.foxnews.com/world/ukrai...s-earthquake-sized-blast-picked-up-from-space

Never mind the article, the comments after the article are the important part. Everyone in the comments seems to think that Russia started the war.

Russia did not start this war. If you don't know that you are severely misinformed. Who started this war? WE DID.

And I'm not going to spoon feed you the details. Do your own freaking research. That's all have to say about that.

MOA comeback?

Recently while viewing Youtube videos on long range shooting, I have been surprised by the number or references made to the use of MOA versus MIL. Then when exploring Fierce Firearms, I learned they typically mount MOA scopes as that is what the largest segment of their customers desire. So I was just curious if I am just imagining this reversal in optic trends or if in fact MOA is making a comeback?

Optics Leupold Mk5HD 5-25 CCH Mil

Like new used 1 hunting season with occasional range trips glass is perfect Seekins 35mm High rings cch reticle some marks here and there but well cared for not abused have original box and unused sunshade

$1700 shipped

Please message with all the scams going on

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