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Good .223 DMR/MPVO Optic These Days?

Hey all,

I know this question has been asked a couple times and I've been reading through some recent threads, but hoping for folks with experience on a few of these optics to chime in. In short I have a proven 20" SAMR-ish .223 gun that I love but just haven't shot much in the past few years.

So I pilfered the old school mildot SWFA 3-9 I had on it and ending up selling that along with a .308 bolt gun to a buddy getting into hunting.

Well I'd like to get an optic back on the rifle and I figured there's probably something out there these days for around $1K that'd have some nice updates compared to the old reliable SWFA. And wouldn't you know it there's just as many trade off's now as there was back then.

I'd be curious if anyone had any $.02 on my considerations here or if I'm missing something I'd appreciate it. Use case is primarily a bit of target shooting, coyote hunting, and maybe a gas gun match from time to time.

Things I like (for this gun):

FFP
2-10x-ish magnification
Length around 13" or less
Weight around 25oz or less
Illumination
Zero Stops / Locking Turrets
Not super busy reticles
Adjustable Parallax (nice to have but not required for this gun)

Things I don't like (for this gun):
Unreliable things
Heavy / Long Scopes
Super busy reticles / should be hunter friendly


I have a range for sure but this is what I'm considering:

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Leupold Mark 4HD M5C3 FFP TMR Illuminated
~$1000

My initial replacement thought. Love the size/weight, features, reticle is acceptable for me.
Concerned about tracking and reliability based on Rokslide tests for the money. Conflicting reports on glass quality for the price.

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Steiner H6Xi 2-12x42mm STR-MIL FFP
~$1500

Love the size/weight, features, glass is probably excellent, bit spendy (diminishing returns?)
Reticle is a bit busy for me and feel it might get lost hunting

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Trijicon Credo 2-10x36 FFP w/ Red MRAD
~$1000

Good size/weight if just a touch long, Japanese glass
Reticle a bit busier than I'd like, unsure if better that the Leupy for the same price?

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Athlon Helos BTR GEN2 2-12x42mm AHMR2 FFP IR MIL
~$400

Like the size/weight, features, generally like the reticle, ranging capability is really cool, cheap means more money rolled into scope on a different rifle faster, or less buyer's remorse if someone ever comes out with a banger MPVO.
Don't love a 1 MOA dot, biggest concerns is on quality and reliability, glass is said to be OK, seems like a dice roll.

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Vortex PST Gen 2 2-10x FFP Mil
~$750

Like the size/weight, generally like the reticle, cheaper than other options, Vortex warranty
Discontinued/Somewhat Hard To Find, glass said to be OK

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Bushnell LRTSi 3-12 FFP
~$800?

Like the weight, a touch long, G3 tree is ok, said to have great Japanese glass, should have bought one years ago during the blow out.
Discontinued/ Very Hard To Find, read a few horror stories about Bushnell warranties on these and replacing them with worse options

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Maven RS1.2 - 2.5-15x44 FFP
$~1100

Excellent performance in Rokslide tests, Good glass, good hunting reticle, great magnification range
Definitely a long boy, a touch on the heavy side, temptation to slap on a bolt-gun hunting rifle instead

AXSR POI shift with caliber change.

Edit: To be clear, I expected to see zero shift between barrels, just trying to determine what would be considered excessive.

I just started using an AXSR after getting set up with one with several barrels of different calibers. Had a question after my first range trip and thought I'd post this since I don't have any experience with this platform and according to most threads I've found this doesn't seem like the norm.

The gun came with the .300 Norma barrel and I also got a 20" .308 AI barrel, A 27" .338 Lapua AI barrel and a 24" Stainless Proof 6.5 Creedmoor barrel.
What is considered a typical zero shift when swapping between calibers or is there even a typical outcome?
I zeroed the gun with the .308 barrel (175 FGMM) and when I switched to the .300 Norma barrel (215 Berger OTM ammo) it was less than .2 mil off the .308 zero which is fantastic.

When I switched to the AI .338 Lapua barrel (Hornady 285 ELDM) it was 9.5” low and 4.5” left. Would this be considered within acceptable limits or does this sound unusual for this rifle?
I actually thought I did something wrong installing the .338 barrel so I loosened the locking bolt and barrel and re tightened everything and the shots went back into the same group. I understand not to expect it to hold the same zero between barrels and calibers, just wondering if this is typical.

Accessories Foundation Centurion for Defiance Short Action SOLD

Foundation Centurion cut for Defiance short actions. Color is dark distressed and is cut for Hawkins DBM M5 bottom metal. Package includes: stock, Hawkins DMB M5 bottom metal, Gray Ops bag stop, 22 piece brass weight set, 22 piece lead weight set, L3I DINA weight (installed), spare arca and anschutz rail with hardware. Cross posted on ARFCOM and Tacswap. Can send more detailed photos.

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SOLD Trijicon MRO HD w/ 3x Magnifier & Kill Flash - Price Drop

Trijicon MRO HD 1x25 Red Dot Sight with 3x Magnifier on QD mount. Includes a Tennebraex kill flash, original box and accessories that came with it. Never used in comps, very minimal salt.

Reticle modes:
-2.0 MOA dot with 68 MOA + 2.0 MOA
- Seamlessly transition between center dot only or full reticle options

Includes:
- Full Co-Witness Mount AC32068
- 3x Magnifier and Quick Release Flip-to-Side Mount
- Trijicon Logo Sticker
- Lens Cloth
- MRO and MRO HD Magnifer Manual
- Warranty Card
- Mounting Tools

SKU: MRO-C-2200057

SOLD for the set TYD CONUS


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Accessories Spring Cleaning

All items include shipping CONUS. What you see is what you're getting. I only accept Zelle or cash, so please do not ask if I'll take any other form of payment. Trades/partial trades I'm interested in are certain Aimpoints; Surefire pistol lights; Volquartsen 4.5" Black Mamba or Scorpion; HK VP9 threaded barrel; PMM Comp for P365, P365XL, G19 Gen 4; Custom Glocks; Glock 17 MOS.

XLR Industries Element 4.0 Magnesium Chassis - SOLD
JAE 700 G4; 700SA, RH. Used in a couple matches. - $1050

MDT Dampers SRS-X Green - $50
Seekins ProComp 10X stock, Black - $90
MDT takeoff pistol grip carbon - $100

(see other listing for mounts & rings)

American Precision Arms Gen 3 Little Bastard - 5/8x24 - 6.5mm - SOLD
Heller Arms Muzzle Brake - 5/8x24 - 6.5mm - $50
PWS 5.56 Flash Hider - $20
Elite Iron 5.56 OP COMP Brake - $85
CMT 5.56 Combat Recoil Compensator - $50
Elite Iron CQC Brake and Cover Cap - $125

Mcmillan 7" Rail w QD mount - $25

MDT MLOK weights - SOLD

Tier 1 Concealed Axis Elite for Sig P365 - $100

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Optics Spring Cleaning - Mounts & Rings

All items include shipping CONUS. I only accept Zelle or cash, so please do not ask if I'll take any other form of payment. Trades/partial trades I'm interested in are certain Aimpoints; Surefire pistol lights; Volquartsen 4.5" Black Mamba or Scorpion; HK VP9 threaded barrel; PMM Comp for P365, P365XL, G19 Gen 4.

MDT 35mm High One-Piece Mount - $200;
MDT 34mm Med One-Piece Mount - SOLD
ZCO 36mm 1.1" (APA made) scope rings - SOLD
American Precision Arms Gen 2 Tru-loc 35mm 1.100" Scope Rings - $80;
American Precision Arms 30mm 1.031" - SOLD
ZCO 0MIL 36mm Cantilever Mount - $250;
Spuhr SP-6601 6MIL/20MOA 36mm Mount - $250;
Seekins 30mm 0MOA Cantilever Mount - SOLD
Vortex 34mm Cantilever Mount - $150;
Vortex Spitfire HD Gen 2 5x and Viper Red Dot combo - SOLD

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Marksmanship Cheat Sheet

I put this together a while back to keep in my range bag as a cheat sheet but I made a couple of changes to it so I thought I'd share it with you all, some may find it useful. The theory is that it can help a shooter with a basic carbine make accurate sight corrections, set up a fairly accurate ballistic profile if you don't know the exact velocity, help analyze shot groups, help estimate and compensate for wind, range estimate, and do a little bit of maintenance if something comes loose or you're moving stuff around. I taped mine up with packing tape, folded in to 1/4's and slipped it into a pocket on my range bag.

"Front"
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"Back"
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Cheers folks!

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Dnt The one vs ares etr 4.5-30

Looking for a scope for my b14r and fairly narrowed to these 2 anyone have time behind both the one 7-35 and ares etr 4.5-30 with aprs6 reticle? Right now closeouts on the ares is 800 and the one is 600. Is the ares worth 200 more? I’ve got a couple helos I’ve been very happy with and trust Athlon will be around where dnt is the new kid on the block.
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Reloading Equipment SAC 223rem and 6.5PRC Comparator Inserts

223 rem

Headspace modular comparator insert $30 shipped

Straight Bullet
Modular Comparator insert
$30 shipped

$50 shipped for both

6.5 30 degree shoulder
Headspace modular comparator insert $30 shipped

6.5 bullet
Modular Comparator insert
$30 shipped

$50 shipped for both

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Firearms Glock 19x with ATEI work

For sale is a like new unfired Glock 19x with ATEI work.

Comes with factory box and mags
Comes with grip plug
comes with Great Lakes Customs chopped beavertail

ATEI milled for holosun 509t
ATEI cerakote to match the 19x frame
ATEI (great lakes customs) hybrid stippling (he also eliminated the front lip on the grip/magwell)
Trigger Guard undercut
Suppressor height sites installed by ATEI
I can sell the Holosun 509t that was on it as well if buyer wants the turnkey package

Asking $900 $800 shipped OBO shipped from me (individual) to your FFL. If your FFL requires from FFL add $50 to the price

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SOLD Trijicon RMR Type 2 3.25MOA (FDE)

For sale is an excellent condition Type 2 RMR (FDE).

Has the original box and papers
Will include a sealing plate

Asking $425 shipped OBO

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SOLD Trijicon RMR Type 2 3.25 MOA (black)

For sale is an excellent condition Type 2 RMR (black).

Has the original box and papers
Will include a sealing plate

Asking $425 shipped OBO

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SOLD MPA ESR Chassis R700 SA

Selling a used MPA ESR Chassis for R700 SA in FDE

Comes with 2 round holder and extended LOP Buttstock and extended NV bridge and MPA grip

No work done to the inlet

$950 shipped to your door

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Firearms Vudoo V22s single shot, Randy Owen Stock, Muller Works 8 gr barrel with extras

Ready for competition Vudoo V22s single shot, just add your scope and tuner of choice. This vudoo has a Mullerworks 8 grove barrel. This barrel was selected from batch of barrels that where air gauged and slugged. This barrel tested the best and was cut with a Winchester 52 chamber. This barrel is very ammo tolerate. It shoots Eley and Lapua ammo very well. I have won matches with both Eley and Lapua ammo. The trigger is a Bix and Andy, and the stock is from Randy Owens with a custom butt plate. This rifle will also come with a second barrel, it’s a Shilen Select Match Ratchet 4 grove cut by David Lott at Di Precision in Texas. I will include a bore guide, additional springs that the rifle came with an action wrench and Lowey bolt protector. If your local to Florida or coming to Florida, I will make available for sale a case of Eley Tenex Lot 1077. This lot is no longer available as I bought it all since it shot so well in this rifle and my other rifles, it’s my main match ammo. This ammo was purchased from Whidden Gunworks after lot testing in theirt Tunnel. This ammo has produced match wins and shoot very well in this rifle. Rifle will come in Pelican hard case.

Total cost of this rifle setup comes in at about 5K.

$3700 shipped including both barrels to your FFL in the lower 48 states

$3200 for Vudoo with the MullerWorks 8 grove barrel already installed.

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SOLD Remington 40-xb. 308

Selling my 40-xb tactical repeater .308 win, rifle has a few upgrades like a badger bolt knob, triggertech special, and a threaded muzzle. Scope and rings are not included however the nightforce rail is. Will also come with the factory hard case. Rifle has ~500 rounds through it. Looking for 1400.
PP F&F shipped to your ffl.
***SOLD***

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