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    #1
    I was looking at drones, not necessarily looking to buy one, but just curious in general about their range, video quality and maneuverability.

    Then I see a notice that drones have to be registered with the FAA. The plot thickens, and I read on further that the fine for not registering a drone is 250k and a possible 3 year prison sentence. Does anyone not find this egregious?
     
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    I would imagine that the fine "for not registering" could be "up to $250K"....

    Why T/F would "registering" a drone with whatever alphabet agency make any real difference anyway ? Oh, I forgot, It's a "federal agency".......:rolleyes:
    $5.00 bucks is fine.....but....how much you wanna bet that the fee is going to creep up over time ?
     
    #5
    Drones are good now we could easily be using them to monitor our targets, measure wind and environmental conditions, etc... if we made the time for them in our routine.

    You fly a few out with weather stations at 100, 400, 700, 1000, 1300, 1600, 1900 that sit on the ground and create a mesh network.

    The target drones fly around or hover and transmit video back along the mesh network.

    And since you get DQd for missing a target real bad, the drones should stay safe.
     
    #16
    pmclaine said:
    Look whats going on at Gatwick. London over the last few days due to drones.

    Power grabbers going to grab power.
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    I'm not following you on the "power grabbers going to grab power" thing.

    Maybe you don't mind if the airplane you're traveling in has a in-flight collision with another object that is almost impossible for human eyes and current TCAS systems to detect. I certainly have a problem with that, both as a passenger in commercial aircraft and as a private pilot.

    One of the very few legitimate functions of government is setting some boundaries for common use areas (such as airspace) so that all can use such common areas safely.

    There are places in the world where even aviation is welcome to a full dose of raw individualism. The airspace surrounding a busy international airport isn't one of them.
     
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    308pirate said:
    I'm not following you on the "power grabbers going to grab power" thing.

    Maybe you don't mind if the airplane you're traveling in has a in-flight collision with another object that is almost impossible for human eyes and current TCAS systems to detect. I certainly have a problem with that, both as a passenger in commercial aircraft and as a private pilot.

    One of the very few legitimate functions of government is setting some boundaries for common use areas (such as airspace) so that all can use such common areas safely.

    There are places in the world where even aviation is welcome to a full dose of raw individualism. The airspace surrounding a busy international airport isn't one of them.
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    Instead of taking action against the individuals that are intentionally committing harm with their otherwise harmless devices there will be a reaction that becomes an issue for the 99.9% of lawful users.

    Likely there will also be a nice upgrade in licensing fees to make some money on the deal.

    I dont own a drone but Im guessing in the manual there is a PSA that prohibits or instructs not using the product in the vicinity of other aircraft.

    Okay they have been warned and as noted at the start of this thread the fines are heavy enforce and impose those penalties on violators - good people will police themselves.

    The problem I see today is that there is no restitution or punishment for many crimes and due to that we get more crime.

    Credit cards write off losses by increasing the interest rates of the honest. When the do investigate little happens to the criminal. All sorts of crime gets handled in the same way. There is little deterrent.
     
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    pmclaine said:
    Instead of taking action against the individuals that are intentionally committing harm with their otherwise harmless devices there will be a reaction that becomes an issue for the 99.9% of lawful users.
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    Forgive me but I didn't see anything insinuating that in the article I read about Gatwick. Only that Sussex Police were looking for whoever owned/was flying the drone(s).

    In general, you are correct though.
     
    #19
    As a professional pilot, I can tell you these larger drones are a real concern. They can fly several hundred feet an their relative speed is near zero. That means there is almost zero chance of me being able to see and avoid them while I'm traveling at 3-4 miles per minute with 180 people on board. And any bubba with absolutely no knowledge of airspace or air traffic can buy one and be in the sky that same afternoon. Think a guy on a bicycle riding down the middle of the highway with headphones on. Think that is going to cause some problems? A couple weeks ago, there was a suspected drone collision in Mexico City. Busted up the nose cone pretty bad. A strike to the wing or motor at just the wrong time could make for a bad day pretty quick. You can't legally drive a car without passing some form of basic test; I'm not seeing how this is any different.
     
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    308pirate said:
    Forgive me but I didn't see anything insinuating that in the article I read about Gatwick. Only that Sussex Police were looking for whoever owned/was flying the drone(s).

    In general, you are correct though.
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    Its Britain so it doesnt really matter they will go full retard as a reflexive action.

    Only reason I pointed out the article is that it was timely and it showed why there is a need for some sort of regulation/education/common sense.
     
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    Crewdog135 said:
    As a professional pilot, I can tell you these larger drones are a real concern. They can fly several hundred feet an their relative speed is near zero. That means there is almost zero chance of me being able to see and avoid them while I'm traveling at 3-4 miles per minute with 180 people on board. And any bubba with absolutely no knowledge of airspace or air traffic can buy one and be in the sky that same afternoon. Think a guy on a bicycle riding down the middle of the highway with headphones on. Think that is going to cause some problems? A couple weeks ago, there was a suspected drone collision in Mexico City. Busted up the nose cone pretty bad. A strike to the wing or motor at just the wrong time could make for a bad day pretty quick. You can't legally drive a car without passing some form of basic test; I'm not seeing how this is any different.
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    This.

    Back in the fall of 2015, I was returning from my first solo outside the pattern and had a near miss with a drone. Didn't know that's what it was at the time, but when I got back to the airport, all the other instructors asked me which helicopter I was in. When I told them, they asked if I saw the drone, and proceeded to tell me that the tool operating it (inside Delta airspace w/o authorization!) had called to complain that I almost hit his drone. Let that sink in for a minute.

    The guy broke MULTIPLE federal regulations, and put my life in danger. I'm all for model aviation, but we have an excess of idiots in the world today. They're partaking in stuff that is way above their intelligence level, which has been made so accessible because of tech advancements. Color me biased, but I'm all for sensible regulations in our National Air Space, with hefty penalties for people who are moronic enough to value their stupid toy above my life...
     
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    Basher said:
    , they asked if I saw the drone, and proceeded to tell me that the tool operating it (inside Delta airspace w/o authorization!) had called to complain that I almost hit his drone. Let that sink in for a minute.
    The guy broke MULTIPLE federal regulations, and put my life in danger..
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    I'm assuming that made it easy to track down the offending party.
    About the same level of brains as the folks that call the police to complain their drug dealers ripped them off...
     
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    W54/XM-388 said:
    I'm assuming that made it easy to track down the offending party.
    About the same level of brains as the folks that call the police to complain their drug dealers ripped them off...
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    Unfortunately, no. He didn't offer any contact info (about the only smart move he made), and all we had to go off of was the general location of the incident. His particular drone likely wasn't large enough to generate a return on radar that could be differentiated from a bird, etc.
     
    #25
    ArmyJerry said:
    encrypt the comms, booby trap it and dont pay anyone a goddam thing.
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    Excellent legal advice

    Time to develop super duper long range shotguns to shoot down these drones I guess duck hunters are now more valuable than previously thought... Regular folk cannot under any circumstances have anti-drone electronics because that's anti-aircraft weaponry somehow
     
    #27
    ArmyJerry said:
    whats legal have to do with it? Its not addressed in the constitution so the law has nothing to do with it.
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    I would argue that interstate commerce is involved, and border defense, and search/seizure, and so on and so forth down the whole Constitution and bill of rights and even back to the declaration because most drones are interfering with pursuit of happiness, and sometimes life itself.
     
    #29
    The Commerce Clause refers to Article 1, Section 8, Clause 3 of the U.S. Constitution, which gives Congress the power “to regulate commerce with foreign nations, and among the several states, and with the Indian.

    GrandpaDeadLegs said:
    I would argue that interstate commerce is involved, and border defense, and search/seizure, and so on and so forth down the whole Constitution and bill of rights and even back to the declaration because most drones are interfering with pursuit of happiness, and sometimes life itself.
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    #30
    I'm gonna come drive my cocksuckermobile around your county on the wrong side of the road to prove how non-statist I am those little yellow lines ain't in the Constitution haha but seriously thanks for not implying that I personally sucketh cock with my own lips
     
    #32
    come on over, youd fit right in, just make sure you drive a 4x4 diesel so you are not mistaken for a speed bump or a crushed beer can

    GrandpaDeadLegs said:
    I'm gonna come drive my cocksuckermobile around your county on the wrong side of the road to prove how non-statist I am those little yellow lines ain't in the Constitution haha but seriously thanks for not implying that I personally sucketh cock with my own lips
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    #35
    We're starting to use them in CAP for SAR. We have to know the ceiling and it always has to be in sight. I never messed with them before. I didn't know how many motherfuckers are playing with these things right in landing airspace. All these young cadets have their own and had no idea. Won't be long before there will be federal registration like we used to buy firearms. I think you are supposed to register them. I don't fucking know. I would rather just stick with the Cessnas.
     
    #36
    I retired from a 40 year career in airplanes, and am a commercial UAV Pilot. We fly inspections on powerline, wind turbines, dams, etc as well as mapping wildfires. The aircraft I fly most often is more than a yard across, weighs 20lbs, service ceiling over 13,000 ft, and speed over 80mph. I have FLIR, LIDAR and visible light cameras, Real time kinematics, ADS-B transponder. To fly it, I trained very much the same way, with similar depth as a private pilot would in ground school. My aircraft is considered in exactly the same way in law as a B767 is. Guys like me (and there are hundreds of thousands of them in N. America) aren’t the problem; it’s the goofs that walk into Best Buy and drop a grand on one and go flying with zero skill or knowledge. The penalties are directed at those fliers; for professional UAV fliers, they’re an onerous fact that we live with
     
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    Uh, no....those dumbasses that go to BestBuy? Eventually they get themselves in a jam and drop another grand on ground school so they KNOW the laws they plan on breaking...there’s always some entrepreneur in every group that talks the others into a group buy....he pay’s $8, sells em for $50,
     
    #41
    Drones are amazing and nothing wrong with them if flown correctly or legally. I've had owned them for years and used them in a lot of different ways. First read the rules and 400' AGL (actual ground level) is the max legal altitude allowed.

    I’ve found lost or runaway pets:
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    Located coyotes for removal:
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    Searched rivers for bodies, and land areas for endangered elders who have wondered off:
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    Monitored a local gravel pit:
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    Inspected my barn roof:
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