Going back to factory/semi custom?

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Has anyone ever built a custom and then decided it wasn't worth it for one reason or another and gone back to a factory or semi custom (factory action wth aftermarket barrel)? I've come to realize I don't need the latest and greatest so I'm considering this. Not do I have the skill currently to shoot the potential of my rifle. Frees up some money for more practice and a rifle specifically dedicated to hunting as well.

Not sold on the idea so I want to see if anyone else has done something similar and regretted it or thought it was the best decision they've made.
 
If a rifle performs then does it really matter if it is a custom or not? If the end results are the same (reliability, accuracy, longevity), does it really matter if is is a custom or not?

If you can sell your custom and buy a good factory rifle like a tikka ctr and actually leave it alone then go for it. I would rather have a rifle and ammo then a custom rifle and no bullets.
 
I have two customs and will be buying a DT SRS Covert as my next rifle. That's not an indictment on the customs, they shoot very well. I'm planning the Covert because my suppressors have finally started coming in and I need to shrink the OAL of the rifle if I'm going to use them as much as I want to.
 
Have you considered what kind of depreciation you’ll take on the sale of the custom? Seems like the long way round to me. You’ve already made the investment, all that’s left is to keep feeding it, which you’d be doing anyway regardless of the rifle. Only way buying down makes sense to me is if you’re after certain features, and you can have them in a less expensive rifle.
 
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It is really hard to pass on some of these new actions available for 1k. I have a rem 700 trued and wish some of these actions were around when I built first rifle. We have some great options right now.
 
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Has anyone ever built a custom and then decided it wasn't worth it for one reason or another and gone back to a factory or semi custom (factory action wth aftermarket barrel)? I've come to realize I don't need the latest and greatest so I'm considering this. Not do I have the skill currently to shoot the potential of my rifle. Frees up some money for more practice and a rifle specifically dedicated to hunting as well.

Not sold on the idea so I want to see if anyone else has done something similar and regretted it or thought it was the best decision they've made.

Yes. I bought a custom "build " that took more than two years to finish. The price was raised at about a year in. Finally first rounds down range and brass was bulged near the base.
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If you bought in and rifles are shooting better than you can, sounds like a good time for instruction.
 
I recently built my first 2 Remage builds using just factory Rem700 receivers.. ran me about $700-$800 for just the barrel & receiver. I figured if they didn't shoot I could always have work done till they did.. One's shooting in the .2's with factory FGMM, both are under .5 MOA with some old hand loads. Hope to get some loads worked up for each soon..
 
Has anyone ever built a custom and then decided it wasn't worth it for one reason or another and gone back to a factory or semi custom (factory action wth aftermarket barrel)? I've come to realize I don't need the latest and greatest so I'm considering this. Not do I have the skill currently to shoot the potential of my rifle. Frees up some money for more practice and a rifle specifically dedicated to hunting as well.

Not sold on the idea so I want to see if anyone else has done something similar and regretted it or thought it was the best decision they've made.
Once you've paid for something and are now going to get your ass spanked on it by selling it, I'm not certain how monies are freed up. I've sold 4 actions since the first of year, 3 customs and a Rem 700, and I'll be listing another high dollar one in a week, indecisiveness costs money.
I built off a Tikka T3 a couple yrs ago, and LRI did a great job, it was a hammer, but every time I opened the safe to grab a couple guns to go shoot, it was WTF is that thing doing in here.
 
After I got my GAP I never shot my LTR again and sold one of my 700s. Then I bought a DT and hardly shoot the GAP. Went and got an AX but still go back to the DT. In in vehicles all day though. But yeah I wouldn't go back to a Crap Remington after having a custom or high end factory
 
After having several customs and now a DT SRS with unlimited custom barrel potential, I'll never have another factory rifle.

I guess it simply depends if you demand to have exactly what you want or if you're willing to settle for almost everything you want .
 
I appreciate all the responses! I figured a bunch had gone to high end factory rifles, but has anybody gone back to say a tikka?

I tried. I have a DTA SRS and a TRG-22. I bought a Ruger RPR because it seemed like a lot of rifle for the price. It didn't shoot any where even close to my expectations so I had it rebarreled. It shoots pretty good now but I rarely take it out. I now have 5 different conversions for my DTA and almost always end up shooting that.
 
I wouldn’t say it was really “high end”, but I went back to a Tikka from a Stiller, and have never regretted that decision, not even for a second.

I wish I could get back all the money I’ve spent on customs and truing up 700’s and 70’s over the years. Personally, it’s hard for me to visualize needing much more than a Tikka action as a foundation.
 
I appreciate all the responses! I figured a bunch had gone to high end factory rifles, but has anybody gone back to say a tikka?
I've went back to stock 700's an one Savage which is totally new to me. Shed all but one custom that I rarely shoot any more, an have gone to very light stuff across the board. The Savage is in 338LM an shoots factory loads better than I can shoot. The F&F is not as good as a custom but it goes bang, is lite, prints way under moa (out to 600 so far) with everything it's been fed so far, an is not near the price of my first new truck. Factory stuff has come along ways in the last 10 years. One can buy a used factory safe queen shoot the barrel out, then sell it an but another for cheap these days. Glass is getting better an depending ones target can be had for under 600 used. Swap the ret to your liking an rock on.
 
Not super experienced and only shooting a Howa but playing with other people's customs it seems like their bolts ride smoother and their guns look cooler... but I'd have to be a much more experienced shooter to tell the difference in results. To get "that experienced" I'd probably have to shoot out several barrels and likely own several rifles in the process. To my thinking I'd get that custom action after several years in the sport, when I want to treat myself.

Resale is lousy on everything like this, I don't feel bad buying from an estate or somebody up against the wall in a divorce trial but it's just a crying shame to buy something for 1/3 the price because they changed their mind. Almost makes me feel guilty ;-p
 
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Has anyone ever built a custom and then decided it wasn't worth it for one reason or another and gone back to a factory or semi custom (factory action wth aftermarket barrel)? I've come to realize I don't need the latest and greatest so I'm considering this. Not do I have the skill currently to shoot the potential of my rifle. Frees up some money for more practice and a rifle specifically dedicated to hunting as well.

Not sold on the idea so I want to see if anyone else has done something similar and regretted it or thought it was the best decision they've made.

You need to do what is best for you. Reading your post, it seems you may have bought on impulse? You can’t buy skill or experience, but you can buy a 22 or 223 for practice to lower the cost of ammo. You don’t say what the custom is, but generally speaking, most folks don’t NEED a full custom rifle. If you can afford it, great, but people need to live within their means.
 
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As someone who has experience with exactly one custom, and two higher-end factory setups along with plenty of factory setups, I have to say... It depends on what you want. In the grand scheme of things, it's up to you to decide what level of action refinement you're willing to pay for.

That said, I am REALLY pleased with what Tikka brings to the table in terms of action smoothness and function, but they ARE somewhat limited in their compatibility with long action cartridges. For short action stuff, though, you have to spend a fair amount of cash to get much more functionality/quality.
 
In the overall scheme of things, it is way better to have a Tikka with a nice barrel/stock and money leftover for optics, ammo, etc than it is to have a full custom and no money left over to shoot the damned thing.
 
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Tikkas are a great platform. Smooth action and good trigger with yo Dave trigger mod. They don’t need to be trued Only thing I did not like was the recoil lug but you can have one installed.
 
In the overall scheme of things, it is way better to have a Tikka with a nice barrel/stock and money leftover for optics, ammo, etc than it is to have a full custom and no money left over to shoot the damned thing.

That isn’t the question though. He’s already made the investment in the custom.


Estes, tell us about the rifle you currently have.
 
That isn’t the question though. He’s already made the investment in the custom.


Estes, tell us about the rifle you currently have.

Currently I've got a bighorn TL3 with a kreiger Keystone Accuracy 6.5x47 barrel for it. It's sitting in an xlr element chassis. I wanted a manners or Mcmillan but spent enough on the action and barrel to just sit back and find the xlr.

I've got a buddy with a mcmillan for a tikka at a good price. I thought about just snagging a 24" tikka and running the crap out of it for a year or two. That's my other option.

Scopes not an issue. I run an Athlon Cronus
 
After I got my GAP I never shot my LTR again and sold one of my 700s. Then I bought a DT and hardly shoot the GAP. Went and got an AX but still go back to the DT. In in vehicles all day though. But yeah I wouldn't go back to a Crap Remington after having a custom or high end factory
Hope I still shoot my custom Mausingfield build a bit after I get my DT Covert.
 
And I thought I was confused...:)

I have some custom 700's, some custom action builds, and some factory guns. I like them all, I shoot them all. What's the issue? A nice 700 doesn't become a piece of junk just because Defiance makes a high quality action.

If I had to narrow my guns, I would probably stick with factory guns these days, but I still love and use my customs.
 
My first precision gun was a trued and blueprinted 700 action with a Bartlein in an AICS 2.0 Chassis down up by a local Smith. It’s a freaking hammer. I was planning on a custom 450BM build, but I’ve since picked up a CA Mesa in 450BM (hunting round here in MI) and holy shit it shoots too. Then picked up a Ruger Precision Rifle in 6.5CM and that thing is a friggin laser too. With guns like the Tikka, Ruger, and some of the semi-custom builders I’m not sure I’d ever build a gun again. For what these factory guns do it’s really hard for me to justify a build. I’m kinda kicking around a tikka in 6.5CM or 260 but as of now the only gun I’m willing to off..........
..... is the custom 308 lol but evenetually id like it to become a 260 so I have a hard time offing it. I guess I’m kinda in the same boat but I just dont have the time to shoot that I used to so I havnt really been too worried about it lately.
 
I'm not much on factory rifles as the barrels tend to be a pain to clean. I'm not much a fan of the cost of custom rifles and waiting a long, long time to get them in my hand.

I am a big fan of using a vise and a barrel nut to install a high quality barrel of exactly the specs I want on an action (factory or custom), and bedding it myself into the high quality stock of my choice. Once the wait on the McMillan stock or action is over I've got a finished rifle for load development in a week. I can't tell the difference from my customs in the accuracy department.
 
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Shooting around at the range and hunting, my Savages were pretty good. Under timed match conditions... not so much.

Depends on how you use it, and what you feel like doing.

I got a custom for matches.
 
I'm all for a tikka action...not sure you get much more by going custom. But a custom barrel and chambering job just brings a lot to the table. I put nearly 2000 rounds through my .260 CTR. It shot, and well, but the dasher barrel that replaced it....is all smiles.

Don't think a factory gun (especially a t3) will hold you back, but to say there's no difference is not quite right.
 
Well this one ended with me stealing the custom mausingfield in the PX. It will be arriving Thursday. For what I was going to put into a tikka with a custom barrel and McMillan I got the mausingfield and whiskey 3. Couldn't be happier
 
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Well this one ended with me stealing the custom mausingfield in the PX. It will be arriving Thursday. For what I was going to put into a tikka with a custom barrel and McMillan I got the mausingfield and whiskey 3. Couldn't be happier

Sorry read this post after I posted. You scored!! Great job man, your going to be stoked!!
 
I never got into that arms race. I buy a rifle and get better stock, trigger, barrel and good to go. Closest thing to custom is one 700 reamed as .260 T. Cross and another heavy 700 in 300 H&H. Those required a Smith.
 
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Shooting is like every other hobby out there. You can get in for cheap and have a lot of fun, or you can go custom and spend a lot of money and have a lot of fun. I enjoy building and shooting my customs, don't plan on getting rid of any of them. But I also have an RPR and it will shoot legit 0.5 - 0.75 moa groups all day long straight from the factory and that's is plenty accurate to do anything I want to do. But I'm also still planning another short action custom build....

TLDR: it's a hobby, spend as little or as much as you want to, just make sure you have enough money left over to feed your guns.
 
I have always been a devotee of the factory rifles, with my sole custom being built on a 2001 Savage 10FP 260.

I made my bones on this site by conducting and writing up basic and simple accurizing and handloading projects for the basic factory rifle (the Black Thoughts series of article/posts), and my devotion to the basic platform has not wavered by a single iota. I remain committed to the concept that enough is enough, and that significant excess is nice but not an imperative. I have accepted that my own marksmanship skills are not superlative, and that major injections of cash into the process are not going to be met by major improvements in my own personal performance. Not really such a painful admission, it's just my way of adjusting to the realities of my own abilities.

Today's factory rifles have come a long way since my entry onto this site before its actual emergence, back in the LowLight Directive site days. They shoot far better O/O the box, have far fewer design and QC bugs, and while they cost more, they are worth more, too.

IMHO, it's always been a matter of matching load to barrel, ergonomics to skills, education and practice to those skills. Get those bits right, and that humble factory rifle is usually more capable then the person operating it. I think a lot of potential tends to remain in those rifles that the Eager Beaver crowd tend to look down on and replace ASAP. The shame is it's already paid-for potential, and it's their own potential they are passing over. As I first suggested here nearly 20 years ago, the mark of the accomplished rifleman is their ability to get nearly all of the potential out of nearly any rifle, or be able to tell the owner what's wrong with it if the results aren't so good.

I learned much of my basic skills from my Elder Brother Bill, who shot on the Ft. Sill Base Rifle team in the mid-1950's, and worked out a way to do a temporary bedding job on a Garand with Paper Mache.

I have rarely sold a gun, and they all depreciate, not just the customs, which just depreciate more because they start out costing more. My guns are given to my offspring (and soon, their offspring, too). I try very hard to make sure they are up and running at their full potential before putting them into those valuable hands.

All of this is just a series of personal opinions, but they're ones I've never needed to set aside. Lots of folks can and have beaten me on the line; and for them, the extra expenditure makes perfect sense. I know my limitations and my own equipment is simpler, cheaper, and relatively humble by comparison. It supports the realities of an older shooter's capabilities, and is fully adequate for achieving my own complete personal enjoyment.

YMMV.

Greg
 
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Well this one ended with me stealing the custom mausingfield in the PX. It will be arriving Thursday. For what I was going to put into a tikka with a custom barrel and McMillan I got the mausingfield and whiskey 3. Couldn't be happier

That was a good deal. I was tempted, but I had just put down a deposit for a barreled action.
 
I bought a Savage 10 FCP-SR in 6.5 CM at a great price and have been tricking it out.....wanted to see if I'd enjoy precision shooting and didn't want to spend $3K+ right out of the gate. I'm loving shooting but still have <200 rounds down range. Still, with a base rifle in it's original Accustock/Accutrigger and a $250 Vortex scope and Atlas Bipod I'm shooting .75 MOA out to 300 yards. I'll be shooting to 600+ by the end of Summer.

I have a Tactical Chassis and a fully adjustable butt stock coming and then I'll be done tricking this one until I feel that the rifle is holding me back....then I'll consider a custom for my next gun if I think I'm good enough. I'm betting with the upgrades I'll end up shooting the barrel out of this Savage and then have it re barreled with a higher end barrel.

Not really a "going back to stock" story but maybe worth the perspective.

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I bought a Ruger RPR because it seemed like a lot of rifle for the price. It didn't shoot any where even close to my expectations so I had it rebarreled/

Are you're expectations less than 1/2 moa?

Wondering what your RPR shot like. Maybe you got a bad one?

Every RPR Ive been around just hammers away.