Rifle Scopes VORTEX OPTICS AWARDED OTA FOR THE US ARMY’S COMPETITIVELY SOLICITED NEXT GENERATION SQUAD WEAPON FIRE CONTROL

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VORTEX OPTICS AWARDED OTA FOR THE US ARMY’S COMPETITIVELY SOLICITED NEXT GENERATION SQUAD WEAPON FIRE CONTROL (NGSW-FC) PROTOTYPE PROGRAM BARNEVELD, Wis. Fo ...

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beenjammin · Apr 20, 2020

Cool.. i wonder what exactly "Active" reticle means. Auto-zoom or auto parallax after user calibration?

mewillis · Apr 20, 2020

beenjammin said:
Cool.. i wonder what exactly "Active" reticle means. Auto-zoom or auto parallax after user calibration?

Very cool indeed, I take "active" to mean multiple choices depending on the use as they state CQB or DMR
perhaps only for the .mil and not mere mortals??

Trigger Monkey · Apr 20, 2020

"When augmented with an overlaid digital display, however, it provides features unheard of in a traditional small arms fire control. "

I'm just spit balling but the Active Reticle could be that when you activate the LRF it'll run that through an internal ballistic program for the ammunition used and display the holds on the overlaid screen to give the gunner precise aiming points for a target.

mewillis · Apr 20, 2020

even better but probably unobtanium who knows. I'm liking Vortex getting in on this though.......

Hatari · Apr 20, 2020

“Hamilton said, “By combining a unity power 1-8x direct view optic utilizing a first focal plane, etched reticle, a 1km capable laser rangefinder, state of the art on-board ballistic engine, atmospheric sensor suite, and programmable active matrix micro-display overlaid onto the first focal plane, Active Reticle™ delivers a true multi-mission fire control enabling everything from CQB to designated marksmanship at the extents of the NGSW’s effective range.””

beenjammin · Apr 20, 2020

beenjammin said:
Cool.. i wonder what exactly "Active" reticle means. Auto-zoom or auto parallax after user calibration?

I freely admit this was retarded to think... and hope I have not made any of you dumber having had read it.... what a moron.

A built in Rangefinder and ballistics with atmosphere is a bit more realistic.

Spartan67 · Apr 20, 2020

That looks expensive!

Trigger Monkey · Apr 20, 2020

It looks heavy.

kriller134 · Apr 20, 2020

Trigger Monkey said:
"When augmented with an overlaid digital display, however, it provides features unheard of in a traditional small arms fire control. "

I'm just spit balling but the Active Reticle could be that when you activate the LRF it'll run that through an internal ballistic program for the ammunition used and display the holds on the overlaid screen to give the gunner precise aiming points for a target.

That’s what I was thinking. Maybe something like the sig bdx system?

PBWalsh · Apr 20, 2020

Trigger Monkey said:
It looks heavy.

Most of the high end stuff Vortex makes is heavy.

10ring'r · Apr 20, 2020

IF looks meant anything, that looks BADASS! Does look heavy,tho. R.F. and Active Ret., sweeeet! Mac

m1match · Apr 20, 2020

That scope/rangefinder/ballistic computer looks really interesting but really expensive also....says the man thinking about getting a ZCO.......

koshkin · Apr 20, 2020

Trigger Monkey said:
"When augmented with an overlaid digital display, however, it provides features unheard of in a traditional small arms fire control. "

I'm just spit balling but the Active Reticle could be that when you activate the LRF it'll run that through an internal ballistic program for the ammunition used and display the holds on the overlaid screen to give the gunner precise aiming points for a target.

That's broadly correct. They had some interesting patents on this stuff.

There is a conventional reticle in there and an additional projected reticle that can be overlayed more or less anywhere in the focal plane.

ILya

Steel head · Apr 20, 2020

spartan67 said:
That looks expensive!

Trigger Monkey said:
It looks heavy.

Heavy+expensive =TACTICAL!!!!

Trigger Monkey · Apr 20, 2020

Steel head said:
Heavy+expensive =TACTICAL!!!!

It goes right along with all those lightening cuts that will hold dirt and shit like a mofo that some poor bastard will spend hours having to clean out before he's allowed his personal time. I feel bad for him.

Glassaholic · Apr 20, 2020

That's pretty sweet. Wilcox Raptar meets Revic meets Vortex Razor Gen III... I wonder if this will have a solution for wind built in... I can see this scope sitting on my SPR, but with government contracts this will be more expensive than a new car I'd imagine, will have to wait for a consumer version to trickle down unfortunately. Fantastic design, great job Vortex. @Delta Hotel anything more you might be able to share?

Glassaholic · Apr 20, 2020

Trigger Monkey said:
It goes right along with all those lightening cuts that will hold dirt and shit like a mofo that some poor bastard will spend hours having to clean out before he's allowed his personal time. I feel bad for him.

Thanks for bringing up bad memories

Felt like I cleaned my M16A2 3 times a day!!! But I'd gladly clean this work of art anytime

Trigger Monkey · Apr 20, 2020

I just remember having to clean dirt out of the Harris bipod feet before they'd let me turn my rifle in and not like clumps of dirt, the dirt that gets smeared into the rubber. Didn't they know titties and beer were waiting on me?

Glassaholic · Apr 20, 2020

Trigger Monkey said:
I just remember having to clean dirt out of the Harris bipod feet before they'd let me turn my rifle in and not like clumps of dirt, the dirt that gets smeared into the rubber. Didn't they know titties and beer were waiting on me?

You had a bipod?!?

koshkin · Apr 20, 2020

wjm308 said:
That's pretty sweet. Wilcox Raptar meets Revic meets Vortex Razor Gen III... I wonder if this will have a solution for wind built in... I can see this scope sitting on my SPR, but with government contracts this will be more expensive than a new car I'd imagine, will have to wait for a consumer version to trickle down unfortunately. Fantastic design, great job Vortex. @Delta Hotel anything more you might be able to share?

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I'd be surprised if the wind measurement tool is built in. That would likely be an external input. I do not think there are any wind measurement tools that are small enough for that yet, but a couple of companies seem to be getting there in terms of size. For laser wind measurement isntruments there is a correlation to optic size and measurement distance

As is, I doubt we will see this available for civilians just yet and same goes for the wind.

ILya

thehun · Apr 20, 2020

I dont even want to know the price tag...

hk dave · Apr 20, 2020

I want one.

Trigger Monkey · Apr 20, 2020

wjm308 said:
You had a bipod?!?

On the M24 we did. I was issued the M4, M9, and M24 so I never had just one gun to clean.

502Chevelle · Apr 20, 2020

^^^ and I thought an M14 and a 45 were bad!

Ravenworks · Apr 20, 2020

I don't agree with the do everything Vortex dream scope.
I think they are taking the thought process out of the marksmans skillset.

I also loose a lot of respect for a company when they have to throw the "Veteran Owned" tagline on their advertisement for a combat optic.
As stated above,wait till all those nooks and crannies get filled up with mud and sand.

Yeah they listened to the soldier while they were dreaming up this space age looking goo.

Let's see if it's made in the United states

gunsnjeeps · Apr 20, 2020

Ravenworks said:
I also loose a lot of respect for a company when they have to throw the "Veteran Owned" tagline on their advertisement for a combat optic.

Vortex has advertised "Veteran Owned" for as long as I've seen them. Not that being Veteran Owned doesn't help with getting a contract.

They also have a good Veteran Discount program.

Ravenworks · Apr 20, 2020

gunsnjeeps said:
Vortex has advertised "Veteran Owned" for as long as I've seen them. Not that being Veteran Owned doesn't help with getting a contract.

They also have a good Veteran Discount program.

I guess my point was they used a paragraph to explain that.
I'm curious as to how much of it will be made here.

Mute · Apr 20, 2020

Seems kind of wasted on only a 1-8x optic.

gunsnjeeps · Apr 20, 2020

Ravenworks said:
I guess my point was they used a paragraph to explain that.
I'm curious as to how much of it will be made here.

So they took a line to tell the grunt who probably won't see the press release that they may have done the same thing at one time. I'd rather see this with a "Made in USA" stipulation. Second biggest military contracts mistake from the Clinton Administration.

gunsnjeeps · Apr 20, 2020

Mute said:
Seems kind of wasted on only a 1-8x optic.

I was going to ask about going with the 1-8X ACOG replacement but I think that is just Marine, not Army.

DarinC · Apr 20, 2020

Oh, that’ll trickle up eventually.

Mute said:
Seems kind of wasted on only a 1-8x optic.

if there’s a reason to add it to a higher mag optic, aka, civilian market or other contracts, it will absolutely be integrated at some point. But for now, they’ll stand to sell a lot more of these than 5-25 versions

koshkin · Apr 20, 2020

First of all, so far they are only building prototypes for future trials. Second, this is for the squad weapon. They are not putting this onto every gun. Third, it combines several devices into one that is lighter than all the separate devices were together.

ILya

sleeplz · Apr 20, 2020

koshkin said:
First of all, so far they are only building prototypes for future trials. Second, this is for the squad weapon. They are not putting this onto every gun. Third, it combines several devices into one that is lighter than all the separate devices were together.

ILya

When do you get to review one?

koshkin · Apr 20, 2020

sleeplz said:
When do you get to review one?

For the gunwriting stuff? As soon as they come up with a civilian version. For my dayjob? There are a few functionally similar devices going after a variety of government programs and I have some peripheral involvement with a few of them.

ILya

Steel+Killer · Apr 20, 2020

Well now we know where Vortex's R&D have been focusing their efforts. Will the military get the VIP warranty also?

Crabcore · Apr 21, 2020

First, that scope just looks awesome.

I doubt I can afford one, but it is cool the tech is being worked on.

This tech will hopefully be further developed and added to the higher magnification scopes we use. This to me seems likes the next logical step in scopes for precision shooting.

MarinePMI · Apr 21, 2020

If this is the one I've been hearing about the past few years, it's a pretty interesting design. IIRC, the batteries are in the scope base...

It's nice to see it finally out in the public eye (I'm guessing they were waiting on patent approvals first).

Rob01 · Apr 21, 2020

Ravenworks said:
I guess my point was they used a paragraph to explain that.
I'm curious as to how much of it will be made here.

The whole thing is made in the USA. Don't worry. No china as idiots on Facebook have been saying.

And if "Veteran Owned" bothers you so much then maybe you should take down your "Semper Fi 80-84" title. Don't want to advertise you are veteran run screen name do you?

AnimalMother224 · Apr 21, 2020

Ive been dreaming of integrated LRF with auto solutions in an optic for years now..

vmpglenn · Apr 21, 2020

That's some sci-fi Ghost in the Shell looking equipment. Props to Vortex for integrating all the complexity of this scope into a well-designed unit. It does look heavy, but then again it's a specialized optic that will only mount to certain firearms in an infantry squad, as well as being a prototype.

2aBaC̶a̶ · Apr 21, 2020

But does it use ED and UHD glass?

fdkay · Apr 21, 2020

Terry Cross · Apr 21, 2020

Ravenworks said:
I don't agree with the do everything Vortex dream scope.
I think they are taking the thought process out of the marksmans skillset.

I also loose a lot of respect for a company when they have to throw the "Veteran Owned" tagline on their advertisement for a combat optic.
As stated above,wait till all those nooks and crannies get filled up with mud and sand.

Yeah they listened to the soldier while they were dreaming up this space age looking goo.

Vortex is delivering a product to meet a well defined set of parameters that their customer published for companies to compete within.
That being said, how in the world can you agree or disagree with the scope when you have no clue about the system or the scope?

You are judging and dissing Vortex because they acknowledged that they are "Veteran Owned" while you are flashing something on your sig line in this forum that you hope ties you to your own veteran status? That doesn't look good on you.

Marksmanship mindset/ skillsets and the training process are things the military entity worries about, not Vortex or any other optic company delivering on a set of specs. Yes, the institutional drivers that determine military training parameters suck and the system is terrible but that in no way, shape or form falls in Vortex's lane.

Their press release is purposefully vague on actual capabilities of the system. It was just a general announcement celebrating their contract award for the next step in the process. A ton of people are chiming in with opinions based on the premise that since it "looks like" ABC, it must be capable of XYZ.

The mature version of this scope system is WAY (that means a bunch for some of you that are challenged....) more capable than anything posted in this thread or in their press release. Additionally, the built in info sharing, tagging and engagement capabilities of the system can be scaled for whatever the host optic is (bigger scopes with more X ....etc...).

All of this is new ground for any manufacturer. Throwing stones on suspected weight, power consumption and capability is sort of like monkeys raising hell in a zoo because they see something shiny on the sidewalk outside the cage.

./

cleric · Apr 21, 2020

At the end of the day we should be happy they are trying new things (as I image other companies are). This may not be commercially available any time soon, but I am happy that one day they may get the technology where this makes sense.

winniedonkey · Apr 21, 2020

I keep seeing more and more cool stuff heading to our Warfighters and that has me happy as hell. I remember watching things happen/change during my time and I can only imagine being 20something again and being handed a system like this. Fuck yea!!!!!

Crabcore · Apr 21, 2020

everything is controversial at first, and over time if it works everyone will adopt it. 10 years ago everyone could shoot 1000 yards with a 16 power scope and mil dots. Now we all have 25 to 32 power scopes with elaborate christmas tree reticles.

I could see a future where everyone has an LRF in the scope and it is linked to your phone or mobile device and all kinds of crazy stuff. If this works, Vortex will pull away from the rest of their competitors, and everyone else will be trying to integrate this tech into their scopes too.

Ravenworks · Apr 21, 2020

Rob01 said:
The whole thing is made in the USA. Don't worry. No china as idiots on Facebook have been saying.

And if "Veteran Owned" bothers you so much then maybe you should take down your "Semper Fi 80-84" title. Don't want to advertise you are veteran run screen name do you?

Veteran owned doesn't bother me, but when a fucking NON VET writes the paragraph,yeah that bothers me so fuck you

Ravenworks · Apr 21, 2020

Terry Cross said:
Vortex is delivering a product to meet a well defined set of parameters that their customer published for companies to compete within.
That being said, how in the world can you agree or disagree with the scope when you have no clue about the system or the scope?

You are judging and dissing Vortex because they acknowledged that they are "Veteran Owned" while you are flashing something on your sig line in this forum that you hope ties you to your own veteran status? That doesn't look good on you.

Marksmanship mindset/ skillsets and the training process are things the military entity worries about, not Vortex or any other optic company delivering on a set of specs. Yes, the institutional drivers that determine military training parameters suck and the system is terrible but that in no way, shape or form falls in Vortex's lane.

Their press release is purposefully vague on actual capabilities of the system. It was just a general announcement celebrating their contract award for the next step in the process. A ton of people are chiming in with opinions based on the premise that since it "looks like" ABC, it must be capable of XYZ.

The mature version of this scope system is WAY (that means a bunch for some of you that are challenged....) more capable than anything posted in this thread or in their press release. Additionally, the built in info sharing, tagging and engagement capabilities of the system can be scaled for whatever the host optic is (bigger scopes with more X ....etc...).

All of this is new ground for any manufacturer. Throwing stones on suspected weight, power consumption and capability is sort of like monkeys raising hell in a zoo because they see something shiny on the sidewalk outside the cage.

./

Again,as I replied to the other member,I get rubbed when a non vet pog has to over inflate Veteran owned into an entire paragraph.

I earned the right to my tag or whatever you want to call it.
Why not cheapen it some more and insert Tactical while they're at it.

Rob01 · Apr 21, 2020

Ravenworks said:
Again,as I replied to the other member,I get rubbed when a non vet pog has to over inflate Veteran owned into an entire paragraph.

I earned the right to my tag or whatever you want to call it.
Why not cheapen it some more and insert Tactical while they're at it.

What Terry doesn’t get a Fuck You too? LOL I feel so special.

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