Questions about appropriate primers for the new Lapua 6.5 CM brass have come up a lot lately. The other question frequently asked is the difference between CCI 450's and the BR-4. Many understand the relationship between small rifle and small rifle magnum primers to be the same as the relationship between large rifle and large rifle magnum primers, which is that the magnum primers are stronger than their standard counterparts. I'm only addressing CCI small rifle here. My understanding about the BR-4 and 450 was that they were essentially identical, with the BR-4 being "match grade". I was told this years ago by a CCI representative, but never tested it myself.
I took 20 random cases and seated half with BR-4's and the other half with 450's. The load is in the pic below. No sorting or truing of any component was done. Just assembled using basic tools. The firing order is as shown in the first pic below. The string was fired continuously with only short breaks to refill magazines and record velocity data every five rounds. It was pretty hot out, so the barrel was too hot to hold onto at the end. Two foulers were fired before the test began.
Based upon the velocities between the two, I think it's clear that the amount of priming mixture is identical. I don't know when each of these primer lots were manufactured, but kudos to CCI for being consistent. I've been buying these for a long time, in large quantities, and frankly they could have been manufactured years apart. Maybe I'll look into that. They are stored in my garage, which ranges in temps from the 40's to a little over 100 in the summer. Humidity in southern cali is pretty low.
Based on these results, save your money and buy the 450's. I wont be buying any more BR-4's. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/872f480757dcefd4a282f0aa528123c4.jpg"}[/IMG2]
BR-4 on the left, 450 on the right. There were no real outliers. They look identical in every way, so the cups must be the same. I've been about 80 fps faster than this with these components in this rifle, and never experienced piercing with either of these primers. The load fired today is a year round safe load that is very insensitive to varying conditions. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/7d5a4f85c224a011d1b0daf7d4ef8967.jpg"}[/IMG2]
BR-4: You can see the remnants of the "B" in the indentation at 12 o'clock. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/7d144903648b19285593f9e37e2afa0c.jpg"}[/IMG2]
450: Looks identical to me. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/f38253cfa43772de774d886e7f66a59b.jpg"}[/IMG2]
Accuracy: Despite the velocities being identical, the 450 edged the BR-4 in accuracy. Man that flyer pissed me off! [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/d0f70f3b8c3b4c7f3b204e2e05176a07.jpg"}[/IMG2]
Some people do seem to have issues with piercing primers in the AI rifles. I have the worst firing pin i've seen in my AW. I have about 5000 rounds through this rifle, and have pierced perhaps 3-4 primers, when I first started shooting 6.5X47. I busted off the sharp edge with some 400 grit sandpaper. That seems to have made the primer indentation a little nicer looking. This pin measures .077' in diameter. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/a1f38378b28b3f7266ed04342c930afa.jpg"}[/IMG2]
Standard Remington 700 pin for comparison. My AXMC pin has a profile like this. This measures .075 in diameter. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/65770548fc3310a9ca1b58107c663de5.jpg"}[/IMG2]
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I took 20 random cases and seated half with BR-4's and the other half with 450's. The load is in the pic below. No sorting or truing of any component was done. Just assembled using basic tools. The firing order is as shown in the first pic below. The string was fired continuously with only short breaks to refill magazines and record velocity data every five rounds. It was pretty hot out, so the barrel was too hot to hold onto at the end. Two foulers were fired before the test began.
Based upon the velocities between the two, I think it's clear that the amount of priming mixture is identical. I don't know when each of these primer lots were manufactured, but kudos to CCI for being consistent. I've been buying these for a long time, in large quantities, and frankly they could have been manufactured years apart. Maybe I'll look into that. They are stored in my garage, which ranges in temps from the 40's to a little over 100 in the summer. Humidity in southern cali is pretty low.
Based on these results, save your money and buy the 450's. I wont be buying any more BR-4's. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/872f480757dcefd4a282f0aa528123c4.jpg"}[/IMG2]
BR-4 on the left, 450 on the right. There were no real outliers. They look identical in every way, so the cups must be the same. I've been about 80 fps faster than this with these components in this rifle, and never experienced piercing with either of these primers. The load fired today is a year round safe load that is very insensitive to varying conditions. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/7d5a4f85c224a011d1b0daf7d4ef8967.jpg"}[/IMG2]
BR-4: You can see the remnants of the "B" in the indentation at 12 o'clock. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/7d144903648b19285593f9e37e2afa0c.jpg"}[/IMG2]
450: Looks identical to me. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/f38253cfa43772de774d886e7f66a59b.jpg"}[/IMG2]
Accuracy: Despite the velocities being identical, the 450 edged the BR-4 in accuracy. Man that flyer pissed me off! [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/d0f70f3b8c3b4c7f3b204e2e05176a07.jpg"}[/IMG2]
Some people do seem to have issues with piercing primers in the AI rifles. I have the worst firing pin i've seen in my AW. I have about 5000 rounds through this rifle, and have pierced perhaps 3-4 primers, when I first started shooting 6.5X47. I busted off the sharp edge with some 400 grit sandpaper. That seems to have made the primer indentation a little nicer looking. This pin measures .077' in diameter. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/a1f38378b28b3f7266ed04342c930afa.jpg"}[/IMG2]
Standard Remington 700 pin for comparison. My AXMC pin has a profile like this. This measures .075 in diameter. [IMG2=JSON]{"data-align":"none","data-size":"full","src":"https:\/\/uploads.tapatalk-cdn.com\/20170504\/65770548fc3310a9ca1b58107c663de5.jpg"}[/IMG2]
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