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So odd ball question, and no I’m not in any legal/marriage/or going to be on Murray.

I’ve read that they say one should never prep to take a polygraph, in my life I have never gone into a situation or test and said after “man I wish I prepped less for that”

Is there any truth to that? What the logic?
 
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If you're worried about a poly, then you're likely to fail it. If you think you have to "prep" for it, it's because you're worried about it.

Investigators care less about the answers you give than the truthfulness of those answers. Try to hide shit, they're going to know.
 
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As said above, being truthful is what they are after.
A lot of higher level sof screeners you sometimes end up in a polygraph. They have foot sensors, butthole sensors, the works. Trying to fool the polygraph can cause weird results the neither party desire. False positives, false negatives, or if you’re really good, or a medically qualified psychopath, undetermined results.

In the even if legal troubles, all defense lawyers I know say polys can only hurt you, never help you. This is because if you fail, its used against you, and if you passed, it can be asked to be omitted from discovery.
 
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Matches Malone said:
As said above, being truthful is what they are after.
A lot of higher level sof screeners you sometimes end up in a polygraph. They have foot sensors, butthole sensors, the works. Trying to fool the polygraph can cause weird results the neither party desire. False positives, false negatives, or if you’re really good, or a medically qualified psychopath, undetermined results.

In the even if legal troubles, all defense lawyers I know say polys can only hurt you, never help you. This is because if you fail, its used against you, and if you passed, it can be asked to be omitted from discovery.
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Butthole sensors?
 
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akmike47 said:
Butthole sensors?
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Lol
A old technique allegedly use to be the clenching the sphincter or putting a tac in your shoe to fool the poly.

They have a seat sensor and you put your feet on some plate with sensors. So, really any respectable polygrapher can usually bust you if you try to use the old “counter measures,” if you will.

I don’t know if people did that back in the day, but I know when I’ve been polygraphed the sensors are indeed there.
 
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It's not that it's a lie or not.....it's how you manipulate the wording and phrasing.

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Matches Malone said:
Lol
A old technique allegedly use to be the clenching the sphincter or putting a tac in your shoe to fool the poly.

They have a seat sensor and you put your feet on some plate with sensors. So, really any respectable polygrapher can usually bust you if you try to use the old “counter measures,” if you will.

I don’t know if people did that back in the day, but I know when I’ve been polygraphed the sensors are indeed there.
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I don't know why I imagined a butt plug with a wire hanging out
 
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TurboTrout said:
Im not talking about lying, I’m talking about all the false positives you hear about it.
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Depends on the polygraph. If it’s court related, I’d decline. If it’s for military or law enforcement (job related) they allow you to explain, while they monitor. You don’t just get flagged unless they catch you try to game the game.
 
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Happened to just see this in the forum list as I’m not using lurking here.

But, a lot of it is smoke and mirrors. Not understanding how a polygraph works makes it easier for the examiner to trip you up.

Throwing the voodoo science part out, the examiner’s job is to catch you lying or at least see enough in their opinion that you are deceiving them. That job is easier when you know as little as possible about the process.

I’ve taken several. They always ask and the conversation goes like this:

Them: did you research or study about polygraphs?

Me: yes

Them: why would you do something like that?

Me: well, you’re hooking me up to a seemingly complicated machine and making decisions that impact my life. I look at it as the same as medical procedure. If you were considering a surgery, wouldn’t you research and learn as much as you could??

Them: that’s a fair point.

And that’s that.

Now, what you don’t want to do is be looking at ways to “cheat” the test. Many of them don’t work, but the examiners can tell you’re doing it. That can end up being considered deception and you’ll get tossed.

In the end, it’s really the skill level of the examiner more so than the voodoo box that matters. If you get a shit examiner or someone having a bad day, it might get rough.
 
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you trying to lye to the cops while taking a polygraph


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1/2 the guys waiting to rape your ass after you get cough lying on a polygraph tell the truth it's less terrifying
 
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Feniks Technologies said:
Happened to just see this in the forum list as I’m not using lurking here.

But, a lot of it is smoke and mirrors. Not understanding how a polygraph works makes it easier for the examiner to trip you up.

Throwing the voodoo science part out, the examiner’s job is to catch you lying or at least see enough in their opinion that you are deceiving them. That job is easier when you know as little as possible about the process.

I’ve taken several. They always ask and the conversation goes like this:

Them: did you research or study about polygraphs?

Me: yes

Them: why would you do something like that?

Me: well, you’re hooking me up to a seemingly complicated machine and making decisions that impact my life. I look at it as the same as medical procedure. If you were considering a surgery, wouldn’t you research and learn as much as you could??

Them: that’s a fair point.

And that’s that.

Now, what you don’t want to do is be looking at ways to “cheat” the test. Many of them don’t work, but the examiners can tell you’re doing it. That can end up being considered deception and you’ll get tossed.

In the end, it’s really the skill level of the examiner more so than the voodoo box that matters. If you get a shit examiner or someone having a bad day, it might get rough.
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If one said they researched it, wouldn’t that default the operator to say you’re trying to game it?
 
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TurboTrout said:
If one said they researched it, wouldn’t that default the operator to say you’re trying to game it?
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I’ve never had one say that. Especially if you’re clear your reasons for research.

Hell, some may be asking because they think most research and seeing if they can trip you up lying about that.

It’s all recorded too. So they usually don’t push large jumps in logic. Just like any interview/interrogation, they may throw weird shit at you. But if it doesn’t trip you up, it’s fine.

It’s an information game. Their job is to extract information people don’t want to give up.

The end result is sometimes someone telling the truth gets offended. And sometimes people telling the truth get failed and people lying pass. It’s not an exact science by any means.
 
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TurboTrout said:
So odd ball question, and no I’m not in any legal/marriage/or going to be on Murray.

I’ve read that they say one should never prep to take a polygraph, in my life I have never gone into a situation or test and said after “man I wish I prepped less for that”

Is there any truth to that? What the logic?
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With all due respect Mr. Trout I can’t fathom asking that kind of question on a public forum are you trolling us?
 
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Feniks Technologies said:
I’ve never had one say that. Especially if you’re clear your reasons for research.

Hell, some may be asking because they think most research and seeing if they can trip you up lying about that.

It’s all recorded too. So they usually don’t push large jumps in logic. Just like any interview/interrogation, they may throw weird shit at you. But if it doesn’t trip you up, it’s fine.

It’s an information game. Their job is to extract information people don’t want to give up.

The end result is sometimes someone telling the truth gets offended. And sometimes people telling the truth get failed and people lying pass. It’s not an exact science by any means.
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Would it be worth taking a poly on one’s own time prior to the actual test? Apparently they don’t even cost that much 🤷‍♂️
 
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Put a thumbtack in your shoe and when they ask you questions to start the baseline press down on the tack causing pain so your lies will match the truthful answers.
 
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Matches Malone said:
As said above, being truthful is what they are after.
A lot of higher level sof screeners you sometimes end up in a polygraph. They have foot sensors, butthole sensors, the works. Trying to fool the polygraph can cause weird results the neither party desire. False positives, false negatives, or if you’re really good, or a medically qualified psychopath, undetermined results.

In the even if legal troubles, all defense lawyers I know say polys can only hurt you, never help you. This is because if you fail, its used against you, and if you passed, it can be asked to be omitted from discovery.
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Poly results are inadmissible. They can be used to bolster probable cause.
They are nothing more than an investigative tool.
Defense attorneys have no issue bringing up a poly that you passed.
 
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fdkay said:
Poly results are inadmissible. They can be used to bolster probable cause.
They are nothing more than an investigative tool.
Defense attorneys have no issue bringing up a poly that you passed.
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It’s admissible in certain circumstances.

Defense lawyers can try to bring it up, but when one of 2 parties don’t agree to it, it’s inadmissible as you say. State to state varies.

That doesn’t mean that your prosecutor won’t play dirty and just shout the results at the jury, and get as much as a slap on the hand. I’m sure we all likely to think that reasonable doubt and court rules matter but they don’t.

By then you find out the hard way that trials aren’t fair. You have a right to a fair trial, “not a perfect trial” will be what the courts will say.

If the police are talking you into submitting a polygraph, they already have probable cause. Hint: you’re a person of interest.
You should be shutting up, lawyering up, and requiring a warrant for everything. Doesn’t matter if it’s jay walking (sarcasm).

The burden is on them to make a case. Not you to make their case for them.
 
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when i took a lie detector test, most of the questions were in the interview portion and the part where i was hooked up was fairly brief, and mostly limited to questions like "were you truthful when you answered the questions...".
this was just an employment screening or a security clearance.
 
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So how did a really bad mole in the CIA, Aldridge Ames, pass 2 polygraph tests while simultaneously burning high level US intel sources to the Russian intel services?

He took the KGB’s advice to relaxed and try to be helpful during the poly:

“In 1986 and 1991, Ames passed two polygraph examinations while spying for the Soviet Union. Ames was initially "terrified" at the prospect of taking the test, but he was advised by the KGB "to just relax".[29] Ames' test demonstrated deceptive answers to some questions but the examiners passed him, perhaps, in the later opinion of the CIA, because the examiners were "overly friendly" and therefore did not induce the proper physiological response.[30]”

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Aldrich Ames - Wikipedia

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They only work if you believe they work.
 
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Matches Malone said:
It’s admissible in certain circumstances.

Defense lawyers can try to bring it up, but when one of 2 parties don’t agree to it, it’s inadmissible as you say. State to state varies.

That doesn’t mean that your prosecutor won’t play dirty and just shout the results at the jury, and get as much as a slap on the hand. I’m sure we all likely to think that reasonable doubt and court rules matter but they don’t.

By then you find out the hard way that trials aren’t fair. You have a right to a fair trial, “not a perfect trial” will be what the courts will say.

If the police are talking you into submitting a polygraph, they already have probable cause. Hint: you’re a person of interest.
You should be shutting up, lawyering up, and requiring a warrant for everything. Doesn’t matter if it’s jay walking (sarcasm).

The burden is on them to make a case. Not you to make their case for them.
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Person of interest does not equal probable cause. There is a significant gap there.
Besides, it's the pre and post poly interviews that matter.
 
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TurboTrout said:
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Would it be worth taking a poly on one’s own time prior to the actual test? Apparently they don’t even cost that much 🤷‍♂️
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I probably wouldn’t go that far.

Have the be careful. The more thought you put into it could upend your nerves the day of.

Remember, all the machine does is monitor your physical being. So the more stress you put on yourself, the chances go up for weird readings. And you’re at the mercy of a human interpreting something that is pseudoscience at best.

There have even been studies that show people brought up in strict catholic households do worse on polygraphs. As they are made to feel overly guilty about things. That translates into physiological responses for minor things that “normal” people have when lying about something important.
 
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My .gov computer was hacked, and every website I went to was transitioned to a porn site and started downloading, well, everything.

Year later at a poly:

Poly guy: have you ever misused or downloaded porn on a government computer?

Me: misused, no. Downloaded porn, yes.

Poly guy: the fuck?
 
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david walter said:
My .gov computer was hacked, and every website I went to was transitioned to a porn site and started downloading, well, everything.

Year later at a poly:

Poly guy: have you ever misused or downloaded porn on a government computer?

Me: misused, no. Downloaded porn, yes.

Poly guy: the fuck?
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We had a guy that attempted access to something nutty…..thousands of porn sites/attempts. And was successful in some random number like 524 times.

He kept his job when his defense was “it’s not my fault the firewall allowed it 524 times.”

Vet tv needs a spin off called “Fed Tv.”
 
#43
i have to take a damn poly every 5yrs for my job...Never go in after a full pot of CaF or similar coffee. Absolutely do not eat the worst mexican u can find the night before. Had to redo 2 of em because of flatulence and blood pressure was all over the place...
 
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TurboTrout said:
Why not?

The thing is old pseudo science, far from some bleeding edge Area 51 level classified tech

Shit, they use in on Murray 😂
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Your correct it’s not a bad question to ask. I was of the mindset if you need a poly for work/promotion and as others have stated the people giving a poly worry about gaming the test then you may not want to post your question out in the open. 😎
 
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JR_PRO77 said:
Your correct it’s not a bad question to ask. I was of the mindset if you need a poly for work/promotion and as others have stated the people giving a poly worry about gaming the test then you may not want to post your question out in the open. 😎
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A test so good, you can’t ask question about it lol

But I do understand and fair enough :)
 
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I run a charter boat in south Texas. Along with fishing redfish tournaments. I've personally been through 5 polygraph tests. And my tournament partner has now done 1. No matter what you will convince yourself that you just robbed 7 banks on the way to the poly room. It's human nature to be nervous about new stuff. Any minor infractions just tell the guy doing it about them. If your telling the truth you'll be fine. Just remember on the questions that they tell you to lie about. Make sure and lie. If you forget to tell a lie on the questions you are supposed to, you'll have to do it over and over until you get it right.
 
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TXAZ said:
So how did a really bad mole in the CIA, Aldridge Ames, pass 2 polygraph tests while simultaneously burning high level US intel sources to the Russian intel services?

He took the KGB’s advice to relaxed and try to be helpful during the poly:

“In 1986 and 1991, Ames passed two polygraph examinations while spying for the Soviet Union. Ames was initially "terrified" at the prospect of taking the test, but he was advised by the KGB "to just relax".[29] Ames' test demonstrated deceptive answers to some questions but the examiners passed him, perhaps, in the later opinion of the CIA, because the examiners were "overly friendly" and therefore did not induce the proper physiological response.[30]”

en.m.wikipedia.org

Aldrich Ames - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org en.m.wikipedia.org

They only work if you believe they work.
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The technology and training has improved.
 
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