Look at the Rav4. No CVT in the ICEs and the 2.5 is both direct and indirect injection. The VVT is driven by an electric motor. It's a pretty cool engine.
Clue me in on why GDI sucks.
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I’’ve dropped down to these. I also, now bemoan the fact that I did not open a bike shop right after graduating from college in 1977 (I was a very, very, very late bloomer, finishing college at 28 years of age after travailing at school with dyslexia and earning an all expense paid tour of Southeast Asia complements of a very wealthy uncle
). I still dumpster dive, dig out derelicts, rebuild them and give them away to poor families, and of course maintain our factory bikes.
There is no EGR valve on my boxer engine, and I have both port, and direct injection.You guy realize Subaru and Toyota work together,. Toyota owns a portion of Subarus and they use a lot of the same parts and assembly lines on some models. BTW fuck a boxer engine, and direct injection+EGR valves= carbon build up on the Valves and intake.
Thats a nice ride!I’’ve dropped down to these. I also, now bemoan the fact that I did not open a bike shop right after graduating from college in 1977 (I was a very, very, very late bloomer, finishing college at 28 years of age after travailing at school with dyslexia and earning an all expense paid tour of Southeast Asia complements of a very wealthy uncle
I still dumpster dive, dig out derelicts, rebuild them and give them away to poor families, and of course maintain our factory bikes.
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I've been happy with my 21 Rav4, 18 months and 40,000 miles. Granted, it's too new to give a reliability report but no quirks have occurred and I'm getting 29-30 city & 32-33 highway at 75-80mph which sure beats my 06 tundra's 15-17mpg.
It is not a dog by any stretch "but" I just thought it would have a little more lead in its pencil. I didn't get stupid with it as it ain't mine and at $100K I am pretty sure that hurting it would result in a trip to the unemployment office. The boss did get all over it and looked at me and said "That's all its got!". I was a tad dumbfounded as I figured 900+ torques
would be more impressive. Thoughts on why... 1)The on demand 4WD was engaged.2) It has been lifted and is running 37s (No he isn't a douchebag) without a re-gear. Again, I was just... underwhelmed. My little brother, by comparison, has a Titan XD platinum 4x4 that has been deleted and has the Phoenix tuner installed and it can get squirrely in a hurry! I have no dog in the fight and to each their own!
@Bender Damn you! Found a certified pre-owned 2014 X5 with 51K on the clock for 26 grand!
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and this explains why the 2007 camry is hands down the worst camry ever made
Eh my 2007 was OK except for the paint falling off and the radio catching fire. The doofy little screen with the numbers on it turned black while I was driving down the road and started to smell like smoke lmao.
It is not a dog by any stretch "but" I just thought it would have a little more lead in its pencil. I didn't get stupid with it as it ain't mine and at $100K I am pretty sure that hurting it would result in a trip to the unemployment office. The boss did get all over it and looked at me and said "That's all its got!". I was a tad dumbfounded as I figured 900+ torques
2) It has been lifted and is running 37s (No he isn't a douchebag) without a re-gear. Again, I was just... underwhelmed. My little brother, by comparison, has a Titan XD platinum 4x4 that has been deleted and has the Phoenix tuner installed and it can get squirrely in a hurry! I have no dog in the fight and to each their own!
@Bender Damn you! Found a certified pre-owned 2014 X5 with 51K on the clock for 26 grand!
Diesels will feel lazy compared to a gasser. Especially loaded, you'll feel the torque just smoothly rise up as the turbos spool.
Also, without a tune, the torque management will never let you build the full power to keep the tires planted. They would be undrivable on anything but clean dry roads with that much power.
My 03 with a 100hp tune would blow the tires off non-stop with or without a trailer. Just a bit of pedal and it was spooled and smoking tires.
Tires get expensive, and I ended up pulling the tune for towing because it was so touchy.
Just like a scope and rifle combo, cars depend on their use.
The truth of this thread is: ANY Cvt is garbage except in a snowmobile. BUT they're worst in the western and rural United States. The cvt manufacturers assume you'll be cruising at 55mph, with stop and go, and some idle time. Occasionally speeding up to 80 to pass someone and then going back to 55.
In reality, if you live where I do and it's an hour to a walmart, 80 Mph speed zone with varying terrain and elevation to get get there, that pos is smoking and the fluid is boiling after 45 minutes with cruise on and a/c set.
Anyone saying they've got over 100k on a soob story doesn't live out here- and it shows. You drive down I-15 and stop at any repair shop along the way and they've got a blown up nissan, subaru, or euro-trash piece if dilapidated misfortune in their gravel. Vvt, CVT, d.o.d, afm, def, and electric cars are utter bullshit in a big swath of the usa, a plauge to freedom loving tax hating working Americans, and will be till the Lord reins back down fire on the faggots and the uninformed driving them.
OP- this thread escalated quickly, just buy a killdozer, a surplus airplane, and a 1911.
The truth of this thread is: ANY Cvt is garbage except in a snowmobile. BUT they're worst in the western and rural United States. The cvt manufacturers assume you'll be cruising at 55mph, with stop and go, and some idle time. Occasionally speeding up to 80 to pass someone and then going back to 55.
In reality, if you live where I do and it's an hour to a walmart, 80 Mph speed zone with varying terrain and elevation to get get there, that pos is smoking and the fluid is boiling after 45 minutes with cruise on and a/c set.
Anyone saying they've got over 100k on a soob story doesn't live out here- and it shows. You drive down I-15 and stop at any repair shop along the way and they've got a blown up nissan, subaru, or euro-trash piece if dilapidated misfortune in their gravel. Vvt, CVT, d.o.d, afm, def, and electric cars are utter bullshit in a big swath of the usa, a plauge to freedom loving tax hating working Americans, and will be till the Lord reins back down fire on the faggots and the uninformed driving them.
OP- this thread escalated quickly, just buy a killdozer, a surplus airplane, and a 1911.
Your Walmart is only an hour away? I’m sorry, still too close to one for my taste. Montana isn’t much different than Wyoming, 135k miles in five years of commuting and road tripping on a CVT at 70-80mph across varying terrain, and still running as well as the day it was bought.
For me it’s still Manual > Auto > CVT, but I’m not discounting CVT all together as a piece of shit that’s going to blow out at 100k. For basic getting from A to B without hammering on it, it does the job just fine.
Well guys, I kinda ghosted this thread but just re-read and I am still torn. For "now" the Yaris has 401200 miles on it and returned 32.5MPG per last nights fill up so while I am looking I have some time. I have decided on a budget of $40K cash when I pull the trigger. Lots of options I suppose.
Rav4 or Rav4 Hybrid. We rented one on a recent trip to Florida. Close to base model gasser. I was blown the fuck out by how peppy the engine felt, the nice growl it had and the fuel mileage was nearly double what my 2016 CR-V gets. I was getting reads of over 40MPG doing 70 down a highway down there. My average MPG in my CRV is like 21.5.
I have been eyeballing the RAV4 TRD off-road and the Adventure but the latter seems scarce.
If you look at them spec by spec they don't really have anything on them that's worth the price tag. Similar with the other TRD trims on other models (aside from Off-Road on the Taco/4Runner which is the lowest trim worth buying). I think its mostly just aesthetics on the Rav4 models for those trims last I looked.
The Hybrid model is even more enticing due to even better fuel mileage and it'll theoretically outlast the gasser.
EDIT: Yeah I just double checked. Adventure and Offroad are just aesthetics and wheels except the Offroad gets a different suspension package.
Don't be afraid to buy a lightly used one either imo.
160k on the Subaru now and CVT still hasn’t blown out. So disappointed the internet let me down…
@Redmanss Don't get me wrong. I like the 2024 Crosstrek Wilderness and I think the adding of a real (really puny but better than nothing) trans cooler was a great idea! Not for towing like they advertise but for longevity. Swap it for a Mishimoto or (even better) a Perrin 4 core version with thermostatically controlled fans it could be a real positive for not letting trans fluid temps creep up in to the torque converter killing, reverse clutch melting, fluid burning 275 degree range! IF I could do that mod without voiding a warranty from day one I'd give it a try! Probably add an oil cooler too. Temps here swing from 0 to 120F through the year.
ETA: Follwing of Subie of Japans 36000 mile severe duty schedule for CVT fluid changes is probably a good idea. I do a drain and fill on the Yaris every year aka 35000-ish miles. Still going strong! Maintenance... Who knew?
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I am all about Toyota certified pre-owned gold vehicles. As for the RAV4... But I NEED my red or orange accents, sir! </S> Nah, I'm sure any of them would be just fine.
Maintenance never hurts, absolutely, but the wife’s car is on its fourth set of tires and original transmission fluid and plugs. I plan on hitting that when things warm up though.@Redmanss Don't get me wrong. I like the 2024 Crosstrek Wilderness and I think the adding of a real (really puny but better than nothing) trans cooler was a great idea! Not for towing like they advertise but for longevity. Swap it for a Mishimoto or (even better) a Perrin 4 core version with thermostatically controlled fans it could be a real positive for not letting trans fluid temps creep up in to the torque converter killing, reverse clutch melting, fluid burning 275 degree range! IF I could do that mod without voiding a warranty from day one I'd give it a try! Probably add an oil cooler too. Temps here swing from 0 to 120F through the year.
ETA: Follwing of Subie of Japans 36000 mile severe duty schedule for CVT fluid changes is probably a good idea. I do a drain and fill on the Yaris every year aka 35000-ish miles. Still going strong! Maintenance... Who knew?
It does minimal idiling except in the winter and next to no stop and go traffic, Wyoming doesn’t exactly have that bullshit, so only sees it on the limited city visits. Fan and heavy duty cooler might be nice if you’re seeing different than I do, but I’m on the side of it being unnecessary and overkill.
I'm less than two weeks away from one year of ownership, approaching 13,000 miles, of a TRD Off Road. I'm not regretting my purchase. It does everything I need it to do and prefer the "uniqueness" the TRD has vs. the plethora of other Rav4s on the road. And there's A LOT of them in my area, Denver Metro. While not a speedster, power is more than just adequate and it returns decent MPGs. I believe I'm at a 'lifetime average' of about 25-26 with a lot of mixed use. Highway mileage can get fairy impressive at well over 30+ MPGs at speed limits of 75MPH and plus. Especially if you can keep it in the 'zone' of the Atkinson cycle. This engine does both and also can do both direct injection or port injection as needed. This also allows the engine to come to operating temps very quickly which is beneficial in Winter months. It's been very good in the snow as well. I attribute most of that to the OEM Falken Wildpeak AT tires the TRD comes with. I HIGHLY recommend getting the Cold Weather package as it comes w/ vented seats in addition to heated seats, steering wheel and wipers.
The non aesthetics that the TRD and Adventure get you are: TRD- minor lift and specific shocks, TRD- Falken Wildpeak AT tires, Both- TRD skid plate, Both- Torque Vectoring AWD, Both- increased towing capacity (3500 vs 1500 all other models), Both- Engine oil cooler, Tranny cooler, and heavy duty alternator, TRD (possibly both)- power lift gate and moon roof. Both- taller roof rails. Both(I believe) Softex interior seats. Both- 10.5" multi media display screen. Both- unique drive modes including mud/sand/dirt/rock. Both- LED lighiting including LED fog lights, interior lighting. Both- Winter/all season floor mats including a full over the back rear cargo mat. Both- 120v power inverter. Both- dual zone HVAC. Both- auto start/stop delete. There may be more that I'm missing at this point and other trim levels may also have some of these features. These are the ones INCLUDED in the, at least TRD, trim package w/o adding any other packages. I DO RECOMMEND the Cold Weather package as it gives you heated steering wheel, heated wipers, and heated AND vented seats. The vented is only available on the TRD, and possibly the Premium. I prefer the TRD rims to any other model and you get the unique grill and badging. I also prefer the unique coloring, stitching, and badging of the seats. I would assume some or many of these are also available on some of the upper trim levels. But these are standard on the TRD and justify its higher MSRP. Especially the towing if you're in need of that feature.
I have an 18' Tacoma TRD with 100k. So far, stolen cats, hole punched in fuel tank, in the shop now, because somebody backed into it HARD. Its been in there 9 weeks tomorrow. This my fifth Tacoma. The 16' had an engine leak on the front at 60k, they had to pull engine to replace. The others all made it to 100k and then I traded them in. No issues with the others. Tacoma gas mileage blows!!! Really blows 15mpg average.
When I get it back, its getting new tires and parked. I bought a Crosstrek 12/30/23. So far I love the car, the mileage, and the computer eyesight deal is amazing. I got 100k extended warranty for all the bells and whistles shit. I looked at camary and corrolla for commuter....I was turned off by the lack of updates. It was the same shit as my 18' Tacoma. Im not a techie person at all, but if Im paying the new price for a new car, I want updated shit. The techie shit of 18' or 24' doesnt matter, cause I cant work on either. Plan is to drive it to 100k and trade in. This is my first car ever.....I drove a shit ton of rentals, this was the car I liked.
My brother and friends have all given me shit about my coexist, lesbo, lgbtq car. Dont care. It fit my need. If a car will have an issue, itll be my car.
TOYOTAS....rock solid
Subaru.....TBD
I wasnt going to spend $60k to replace my Tacoma this time! Fuck that!
I have a theory about most shit today. There is so many people flipping jobs, moving, stealing ideas....we are all driving the same shit. I dont think one is any better than the other. It kinda reminds of being a kid....you know how many Genrral Lee hotwheels I had to search through at Kmart to find the one that had a straight decal on the top Lots!!!!
This is my theory on everything, some of us buy the General Lee with the crooked ass decal, some get the one with a straight decal....just never know until you buy it and find out!
When I get it back, its getting new tires and parked. I bought a Crosstrek 12/30/23. So far I love the car, the mileage, and the computer eyesight deal is amazing. I got 100k extended warranty for all the bells and whistles shit. I looked at camary and corrolla for commuter....I was turned off by the lack of updates. It was the same shit as my 18' Tacoma. Im not a techie person at all, but if Im paying the new price for a new car, I want updated shit. The techie shit of 18' or 24' doesnt matter, cause I cant work on either. Plan is to drive it to 100k and trade in. This is my first car ever.....I drove a shit ton of rentals, this was the car I liked.
My brother and friends have all given me shit about my coexist, lesbo, lgbtq car. Dont care. It fit my need. If a car will have an issue, itll be my car.
TOYOTAS....rock solid
Subaru.....TBD
I wasnt going to spend $60k to replace my Tacoma this time! Fuck that!
I have a theory about most shit today. There is so many people flipping jobs, moving, stealing ideas....we are all driving the same shit. I dont think one is any better than the other. It kinda reminds of being a kid....you know how many Genrral Lee hotwheels I had to search through at Kmart to find the one that had a straight decal on the top Lots!!!!
This is my theory on everything, some of us buy the General Lee with the crooked ass decal, some get the one with a straight decal....just never know until you buy it and find out!
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I sold my Tacoma for the Rav4. Tacoma was expensive for gas w/ a supercharger and low MPGs.
I watched a Rav4 TRD vs. Crosstrek comparison in deep snow and the reviewer got the Crosstrek much farther. He also preferred the ride of the Crosstrek as the TRD is a bit harsher. I can confirm it's firm but not teeth jarring.
Unless you started a company specializing in destructive testing and paid approximately 5k import fee. Still cheaper and better than the alternative
So I'm necroing my own post here and I applogize! New (to me) ride was accquired! Hit my budget of $40k cash and I am tickled shitless! Flew into Dallas monday to pick-up Kermit! 2023 TRD Offroad with 33K on the clock and Gold Certified. Why did I wait so long?!? Promptly had a local toyota tuning network member do a lite/mild Overland Taylor Tune to help with pedal responce and cut down on the gear hunting and road triped it home!
For the Effin Win . I have the Sport 6ft bed and love it .
I drive a company vehicle all week long so I don't get a lot of wheel time with the Tacoma . Got it in October 24 . So when I'm out on the weekend and see one I'm like " oh man I love that truck . Wait , I own one . OMG I'm drivin it right now , followed by little kid giggle
.Looking at who tows what travel trailer with it now . And working on building an automated cycle loader for the bed . I know I'll need to add tranny cooler and oil cooler for towing .
Tacos are fun as hell trucks and great on tight and winding goat trails in the mountains. I have a '23 OR short box myself, fun little thing. I have the OTT mild/medium on mine, plenty fast enough for me so no interest in dropping several $K on a supercharger that would serve no real benefit to me. Skids and sliders plus yanking the useless rear seat for sliding storage? You bet. Probably won't do much in the way of suspension mods, if any at all, it's not going to be seeing the real rough shit.
On the Subie update, the wife's '18 Crosstrek went 191k on it and she traded it in February for a '25 Forester Wilderness. No CVT or engine issues whatsoever, the internet lied to me again. The Forester is a great car as well, stepped up in size as the grandkids are getting big and we needed the extra leg room in the back.
On the Subie update, the wife's '18 Crosstrek went 191k on it and she traded it in February for a '25 Forester Wilderness. No CVT or engine issues whatsoever, the internet lied to me again. The Forester is a great car as well, stepped up in size as the grandkids are getting big and we needed the extra leg room in the back.
The absolute worst drivers in CO drive Crosstreks. Tailgating, speeding etc. I see one and expect the worst.
Fair enough, always been Audis I've seen as the worst, especially in Europe where they're much more popular but I still think Americal Audi dealers make buyers sign an MOU upon purchase they'll drive like the biggest prick fuck possible at all times.
Crosstreks are anything other than a fast car, especially the older 2.0L like my wife had. Fuel efficient and great in slop for sure, but lethargic overall.
The absolute worst drivers in Wyoming have Colorado plates, it's why we consider Colorado our Mexico. Texas plates with some oilfield outfit's name on the side being a close second.
Colorado drivers, at least for the last 15 years, are the worst I have ever encountered. Teslas, not for political reasons, Audis, illegals driving Semi's and bro-dozers round out the worst.
Can confirm that Florida driver's are even worse. Probably for the same reason Colorado drivers are so bad. Immigrants. And I don't mean the foreign kind. But that probably is also part of it.
After driving on the lite/mild for a week I’m thinking I will “upgrade” to the mild/medium myself. The factory Bilstein suspension and Wrangler Territory A/Te seems really nice to me. At this point I’m thinking Rough Country seat covers, Weather Tech mats, and either a Decked storage box or a Diamondback bed cover and I’ll call it good!
