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Hey Guys, is there any difference from the top rifle scope makers in regards to clear pictures when it starts to get hot and your seeing a big blur of a target.

We were shooting a match this weekend and have a fairly small target at just under 1000 yards. body on the target was 7 inches high!

All I could see of this particular target was a blur, but could not make out any sides of defintion.

My question, is one scope better than another for fighting this sort of problem or is mirage going to get in the way no matter what?
 
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<span style="color: #000099"><span style="font-style: italic">Additional info: except for the NF which wasn't mine, all scopes below were in the 3-4x min to 15-17x range.</span></span>

Picked up a Hensoldt a few weeks ago cause I got tired of reading bout how great the eyebox & clarity are--had to try it for myself. I am simply blown away by the difference doing A-B tests next to S&B, PR, USO and NF. In up to 97F heat last Sunday, I could see the 6" center disc painted on the 762 yard target clear as day at 16x max zoom. Scale-wise, that would be like a 7" target at 900, or 7.9" at 1000.

2 weeks ago on a cooler day, it provided the same 16x performance. To reach acceptable image clarity, I had to crank S&B (4-16x) down to ~15x and NF (5.5-22x SFP) to ~14x.

<span style="font-style: italic">To my eyes</span>, the ability to resolve like that from the units I've used ranks:

Hensoldt > PR > S&B > USO ERGO = NF > USO TPAL
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hamstur</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Picked up a Hensoldt a few weeks ago cause I got tired of reading bout how great the eyebox & clarity are--had to try it for myself. I am simply blown away by the difference doing A-B tests next to S&B, PR, USO and NF. In up to 97F heat last Sunday, I could see the 6" center disc painted on the 762 yard target clear as day at 16x max zoom. Scale-wise, that would be like a 7" target at 900, or 7.9" at 1000.

2 weeks ago on a cooler day, it provided the same 16x performance. To reach acceptable image clarity, I had to crank S&B (4-16x) down to ~15x and NF (5.5-22x SFP) to ~14x.

<span style="font-style: italic">To my eyes</span>, the ability to resolve like that from the units I've used ranks:

Hensoldt > PR > S&B > USO ERGO = NF > USO TPAL</div></div>
While I'm a fan of Hensoldts, and currently have 4 of them, I have to disagree here. The 5-25 Schmidts I have will all out resolve the Hensoldts. The Hensoldts are brighter to me, but don't have the same resolution as the Schmidts.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: bward</div><div class="ubbcode-body">The 5-25 Schmidts I have will all out resolve the Hensoldts.</div></div>Damn you bward. Why do you have to write that & tempt me to buy a S&B 5-25 cause I'm only running 4-16s.
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What zoom level were you using? Did you test backing out zoom til the image cleared up? Per post above, the NF 5.5-22 was simply unusable above 14x in 97F heat of the AZ desert. About 16x seems to be the highest zoom level that I can be use in heavy mirage, regardless of manufacturer.

That's was my buddy's first long range desert shoot with his NF -- SFP vs FFP is no longer a debate to him for that style shooting.
 
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I'm not going to join the fray on which scope is "better" to fight mirage. There is no mechanism or technique in any commercial rifle scope or spotting scope which can correct for atmospheric scintillation (aka mirage). It is possible to correct for scintillation but it's not practical for small portable instruments with current technology.

This wiki gives a simplified explanation of how scintillation reduction is currently achieved for some large ground based astronomical telescopes:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adaptive_optics

The best a shooter can do to control scintillation is to choose times and locations where the atmosphere has minimum thermal turbulence. That's typically at sunrise and when there is heavy overcast cloud cover.

In any conditions there will an optimum objective diameter for maximum resolution, but that diameter decreases with increased scintillation. Thermal induced refraction is the major problem for shooters, but particulate scattering (like smoke or fog) can also be significant. Long pass wavelength filters can give limited improvement.

Detection, identification, and aiming are all important traits of hunting and sniping optics but they have different requirements. Atmospheric conditions can affect each of those quite differently and even independently Poor scope quality can make any of those more difficult, but even inexpensive scopes may not add significant degradation compared to the atmospheric effects.

For detection, the ability to observer target movement along with color and intensity contrast are most important. Atmospheric scintillation can make everything appear to move masking actual target movement even though it's still present.

For identification resolution is most important. The details to tell a male from female deer or to identify friend vs foe may require much better resolution than is required to make a clean kill.

For aiming determining the position and possibly orientation of the target is most important. Refraction in still air with a strong temperature gradient can cause significant apparent vertical offset without much effect on detection or identification.

For justifying spending thousands on a scope correcting for atmospheric effects is low on list of good reasons.

 
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One thing you can do, if rules and time allow, is mount a spotting scope on the target and reference it. It does not move because it is clamped down. When the spotting scope is on the bullseye, mirage is not affecting things so you are good to shoot to bullseye with your rifle and its scope.

Mirage is in the atmosphere, not in the scope. No scope will eliminate or create mirage. But typically mirage comes and goes as the heated air boils off the hot ground. So sometimes, the mirage is NOT affecting the image.
 
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From what we've seen the better the optics the more you see.... like mirage.

When it's really bad about the only way to see the target more clearly is cut back on the magnification.

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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: jcvibby</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Right now I am running a NF 5.5-22x56 and I have a USO 5-25 tpal coming.

I was looking through a friends premier and everything was still fuzzy like my NF. as was a friends Bushy HDMR and SS HD 5-20. I guess it was the mirage..... </div></div>

The glass, conditions that day, heat coming off the barrel, your eyes...a zillion different things. While my IOR 3-18 was miles ahead of my Leupid 4-14mk4 mirage was always there one way or another.
 
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Also, if you are shooting long distance, like 1000 yards, and you have a scope that has focusable parallax, you can focus on the mirage, say at 500 yards and look at the mirage. People do this to judge the wind as the wind will blow the mirage right to left etc.
 
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I use the old Weaver T-10, not too bad, anything more powerful for me seems to allow mirage to wash out the target.

I also use a barrel ban, or a strat that covers the top of the barrel that breaks up the heat waves that interfer with mirage.

Having said that, I like a bit of mirage, seems quicker to pick up wind changes.
 
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My Premier 5x25 never leaves the 12-17 power range(depending on how bad it is) during the summer down here in AZ and I have spent time behind sever 5x25 pmII's in the same conditions and have to say to my eye there is no difference between the two and I end up dialing down the schmidt as well. Im not sure there is any scope that magically eliminates mirage but the lower power settings seem to work for me.
 
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<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: Hamstur</div><div class="ubbcode-body">What zoom level were you using? Did you test backing out zoom til the image cleared up? Per post above, the NF 5.5-22 was simply unusable above 14x in 97F heat of the AZ desert. About 16x seems to be the highest zoom level that I can be use in heavy mirage, regardless of manufacturer.

That's was my buddy's first long range desert shoot with his NF -- SFP vs FFP is no longer a debate to him for that style shooting. </div></div>

As owner of said NF 5.5-22x, I can concur that mirage was a major limiting factor at zooms above ~14x. In SFP, that made things real interesting for spotting such that I actually moved over to the S&B Hamstur mentioned to get an accurate spot. Having looked through all 3 (Hensoldt,S&B,NF), I have to agree that Hensoldt>S&B>NF for resolution and mirage.
 
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As said above, the best thing to fight mirage is go with a FFP so that when you dial down you can still use your reticle. SFP plane requires more thought.

Here in MO, hot, humid days usually end with my scope somewhere in the 14x-18x range.
 
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Jake,

what your asking for is impossible the level of clarity will not change what the enviroment is doing. simply turning down the power will make it less noticeable but its still there.
 
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Why fight mirage? Use it to your advantage, let it tell you the wind conditions down range. Dial power up, read the wind, dial power back and start shooting. Short focusing on something closer than the target is another good way to read mirage.
 
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I have shot more than one target past 800 on 6-8x because the mirage blurred the target so badly it looked like the cross hairs were dancing all around it. Turned it down and made the shot. I purposely adjust out of focus to see mirage a bit. It's like seeing what the wind is doing and it's the first thing I look for.

As said above the better scopes will allow you to see more of it.
 
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+1 for this thread!

Went out today shooting the 1100 yard range in the temps nearing the 90's.... my first time shooting out that far in this heat, and holy sh*t I couldn't really see my 18 inch steel target.
I have a Vortex Viper 6.5-20x44. I was doing fine from 100 yards to 700 yards, but I stretched it out to 1100 yards I had to back out to 14x to see the target clearly... from time to time I'd go back to 20x and 14x while I mess with the parallax just to get a clearer shot.
I've never put my eyes in a higher end scope out in the field, and was wondering the same thing "Whats the best scope to fight MIRAGE?" after shooting today. Clearly I need to get me a better scope...
The "Less-magnification" seemed to work well for me... but I was wondering what in the world do guys use/what type of scope used when they shoot out to a mile???