With the idea of this being a community,is there a way that we can address members that may choose to gouge in the for sale section? We don't have a need for people to try and take advantage of panic. It just seems wrong that folks would start screwing each other on here.
Can we avoid gouging?
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Re: Can we avoid gouging?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brasscow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a fucking economics class. Gouging is a crybaby liberal term. </div></div>
There's some Iowa stubbornness for ya!
(Just joking, brasscow...no offense intended)
We can all avoid "gouging"...just don't buy at inflated prices.
Seriously, while I hate some of the behaviors I have witnessed over the last several days, as I consumer, if I'm looking for something, I just elect to take my business elsewhere and I let others know that the situation exists. I'm NOT suggesting calling out sellers here or otherwise running afoul of the rules re: ad stomping, etc., BUT...just move along with a clear conscience knowing that you haven't "fed the beast."
Now, when it comes to necessities of life like food, water, shelter, fuel, etc...come talk to me about reactions to REAL price gouging.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brasscow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a fucking economics class. Gouging is a crybaby liberal term. </div></div>
There's some Iowa stubbornness for ya!
We can all avoid "gouging"...just don't buy at inflated prices.
Seriously, while I hate some of the behaviors I have witnessed over the last several days, as I consumer, if I'm looking for something, I just elect to take my business elsewhere and I let others know that the situation exists. I'm NOT suggesting calling out sellers here or otherwise running afoul of the rules re: ad stomping, etc., BUT...just move along with a clear conscience knowing that you haven't "fed the beast."
Now, when it comes to necessities of life like food, water, shelter, fuel, etc...come talk to me about reactions to REAL price gouging.
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
The problem is that people feed in to the issue of certain guns being banned! That being said you as the consumer has to be willing to pay for said items. If anyone is willing to pay 1500 for an 800 dollar gun then that is just the nature of a free market. Nothing to do to change it. Look at what oil scares/production issues do!
The problem is that people feed in to the issue of certain guns being banned! That being said you as the consumer has to be willing to pay for said items. If anyone is willing to pay 1500 for an 800 dollar gun then that is just the nature of a free market. Nothing to do to change it. Look at what oil scares/production issues do!
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
Fuck off and die dick head. I hope you need something and have to take a brutal skull fucking to get it. I have probably forgotten more about economics than you have ever known.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brasscow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a fucking economics class. Gouging is a crybaby liberal term. </div></div>
Fuck off and die dick head. I hope you need something and have to take a brutal skull fucking to get it. I have probably forgotten more about economics than you have ever known.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brasscow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a fucking economics class. Gouging is a crybaby liberal term. </div></div>
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
I have to agree with brasscow - if someone is charging too much, buy it elsewhere or do without. Supply and demand are not that complex.
I have to agree with brasscow - if someone is charging too much, buy it elsewhere or do without. Supply and demand are not that complex.
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NSO123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fuck off and die dick head. I hope you need something and have to take a brutal skull fucking to get it. I have probably forgotten more about economics than you have ever known.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brasscow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a fucking economics class. Gouging is a crybaby liberal term. </div></div></div></div>
My undergrad is in economics, so in this case I'm guessing not. Unless you have a masters, or PHD... or perhaps you're a liberal that believes price floors and ceilings set by the ruling authority (Frank in this case, the gov't in many others) is an acceptable practice.
I'm guessing it's the latter.
There is no such thing as gouging. The market is either willing to bear the price or not. If not, the item doesn't sell.
The more I think about it, the more I think you really don't understand economics at all. This is such a basic idea.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NSO123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Fuck off and die dick head. I hope you need something and have to take a brutal skull fucking to get it. I have probably forgotten more about economics than you have ever known.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brasscow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a fucking economics class. Gouging is a crybaby liberal term. </div></div></div></div>
My undergrad is in economics, so in this case I'm guessing not. Unless you have a masters, or PHD... or perhaps you're a liberal that believes price floors and ceilings set by the ruling authority (Frank in this case, the gov't in many others) is an acceptable practice.
I'm guessing it's the latter.
There is no such thing as gouging. The market is either willing to bear the price or not. If not, the item doesn't sell.
The more I think about it, the more I think you really don't understand economics at all. This is such a basic idea.
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
You know, I am glad you have a degree, but you might find it interesting that I also have a degree. I am guessing that you missed out on any class that dealt with ethics. This board is a community that should look to take care of each other. I would hope that if the shit hit the fan, many of us could count on each other to help out. To hint that I am liberal is about as weak of an argument as can be made, all because I don't think folks should be screwing each other. Has it ever crossed your mind that the very people who are trying to take OUR rights away (I am assuming that you consider the Constitution to contain rights that belong to us all), are watching this silly feeding frenzy? So, go grab some Pmags and jack the price up, maybe you can triple the price on some stripped lowers too.
You know, I am glad you have a degree, but you might find it interesting that I also have a degree. I am guessing that you missed out on any class that dealt with ethics. This board is a community that should look to take care of each other. I would hope that if the shit hit the fan, many of us could count on each other to help out. To hint that I am liberal is about as weak of an argument as can be made, all because I don't think folks should be screwing each other. Has it ever crossed your mind that the very people who are trying to take OUR rights away (I am assuming that you consider the Constitution to contain rights that belong to us all), are watching this silly feeding frenzy? So, go grab some Pmags and jack the price up, maybe you can triple the price on some stripped lowers too.
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
How bout before you both have to show whos cock is bigger... just know that it will be allowed on this site, as has been shown, but is in bad taste. If you don't like it, move on, don't buy it.
How bout before you both have to show whos cock is bigger... just know that it will be allowed on this site, as has been shown, but is in bad taste. If you don't like it, move on, don't buy it.
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
I never could have imagined I would see so many emotionally charged/off the cuff and perhaps illogical reactions from seemingly like-minded people worshiping a simple magazine and the sort of moral compass its' sole ownership and stewardship apparently provides.
Did I miss the memo that says we all have an immediate and binding directive to purchase multitudes of magazines? As far as I know, legal purchases are optional still in this country(well, health care?)?
Calling for some sort of "market" regulation over an item that may or may not have a hyper inflated market value due to demand and perceived lack of availability? (apparently making money in the stock exchange is not good either??)
By definition that is exactly taking away a freedom of another to <span style="font-weight: bold">ask</span> any price and imposing anothers' will on that person. If we were talking about forced purchases (ahemm, health care atm?) it would be an entirely different story. Too bad there wasn't this much angst over that.
If you want a regulator, you will trade a freedom, and potentially a right.
I would think that quietly wishing them well and going along your way while noting the conditions is the way that a wise man in his community would operate.
I never could have imagined I would see so many emotionally charged/off the cuff and perhaps illogical reactions from seemingly like-minded people worshiping a simple magazine and the sort of moral compass its' sole ownership and stewardship apparently provides.
Did I miss the memo that says we all have an immediate and binding directive to purchase multitudes of magazines? As far as I know, legal purchases are optional still in this country(well, health care?)?
Calling for some sort of "market" regulation over an item that may or may not have a hyper inflated market value due to demand and perceived lack of availability? (apparently making money in the stock exchange is not good either??)
By definition that is exactly taking away a freedom of another to <span style="font-weight: bold">ask</span> any price and imposing anothers' will on that person. If we were talking about forced purchases (ahemm, health care atm?) it would be an entirely different story. Too bad there wasn't this much angst over that.
If you want a regulator, you will trade a freedom, and potentially a right.
I would think that quietly wishing them well and going along your way while noting the conditions is the way that a wise man in his community would operate.
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NSO123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, I am glad you have a degree, but you might find it interesting that I also have a degree. I am guessing that you missed out on any class that dealt with ethics. This board is a community that should look to take care of each other. I would hope that if the shit hit the fan, many of us could count on each other to help out. To hint that I am liberal is about as weak of an argument as can be made, all because I don't think folks should be screwing each other. Has it ever crossed your mind that the very people who are trying to take OUR rights away (I am assuming that you consider the Constitution to contain rights that belong to us all), are watching this silly feeding frenzy? So, go grab some Pmags and jack the price up, maybe you can triple the price on some stripped lowers too. </div></div>
You are about as stupid as it gets. Congrats on being what's worthless in this world.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NSO123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">You know, I am glad you have a degree, but you might find it interesting that I also have a degree. I am guessing that you missed out on any class that dealt with ethics. This board is a community that should look to take care of each other. I would hope that if the shit hit the fan, many of us could count on each other to help out. To hint that I am liberal is about as weak of an argument as can be made, all because I don't think folks should be screwing each other. Has it ever crossed your mind that the very people who are trying to take OUR rights away (I am assuming that you consider the Constitution to contain rights that belong to us all), are watching this silly feeding frenzy? So, go grab some Pmags and jack the price up, maybe you can triple the price on some stripped lowers too. </div></div>
You are about as stupid as it gets. Congrats on being what's worthless in this world.
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brasscow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a fucking economics class. Gouging is a crybaby liberal term. </div></div>
I'd have to agree that I can't fault a person for responding to changing market conditions.
Example:
Guy A has 10 of the last P-mags people see for 2 months
100 people want to buy 10 P-Mags.
If guy A sells them for MSRP, makes $8 a mag, and can't sell to the other 99 people, he's just screwed himself.
If he raises the price to where one of those 99 people will pay, he maximizes profit.
<span style="font-weight: bold">I agree I'd probably keep it within the boundaries of good taste personally, but then I'm not a very good businessman, because economics 101, would say if demand exceeds supply, YOU RAISE THE PRICE OR YOU FAIL ECON 101. </span>
I think I got a B in Econ 101, but I learned that much.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brasscow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a fucking economics class. Gouging is a crybaby liberal term. </div></div>
I'd have to agree that I can't fault a person for responding to changing market conditions.
Example:
Guy A has 10 of the last P-mags people see for 2 months
100 people want to buy 10 P-Mags.
If guy A sells them for MSRP, makes $8 a mag, and can't sell to the other 99 people, he's just screwed himself.
If he raises the price to where one of those 99 people will pay, he maximizes profit.
<span style="font-weight: bold">I agree I'd probably keep it within the boundaries of good taste personally, but then I'm not a very good businessman, because economics 101, would say if demand exceeds supply, YOU RAISE THE PRICE OR YOU FAIL ECON 101. </span>
I think I got a B in Econ 101, but I learned that much.
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
Very simple. We identify those who are being douche bags, and avoid them like the plague. Don't sell them shit..don't buy their shit.
Very simple. We identify those who are being douche bags, and avoid them like the plague. Don't sell them shit..don't buy their shit.
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
I have been involved with the Commodity Futures market since 1968, Prices are based upon the PERCEPTION of supply and demand, NO price gouging involved, It is capitalism in its simplest form.
All disposable items are nothing more than commodities with supply and demand dictating "value" not pricing. If a willing seller exists and a willing buyer exists a value of the item is then determined upon the completed transaction. When home prices were going thru the ceiling would that be considered price gouging? Ofcourse not, today those values are falling for a reason--supply and demand. The best way to discourage "Gouging" --- do not buy. Simplistic annalogy: One man's trash is another man's treasure. Crude, but simple explanation. These items that are now considered to "price gouging" offers are DICRETIONARY items of consumption, not necessities of life as we know it. When neccesities of life are artificially inflated due to an emergency or disaster then the morality of the seller comes into question, but for a 30 rd Magpul, etc., I think not.
I have been involved with the Commodity Futures market since 1968, Prices are based upon the PERCEPTION of supply and demand, NO price gouging involved, It is capitalism in its simplest form.
All disposable items are nothing more than commodities with supply and demand dictating "value" not pricing. If a willing seller exists and a willing buyer exists a value of the item is then determined upon the completed transaction. When home prices were going thru the ceiling would that be considered price gouging? Ofcourse not, today those values are falling for a reason--supply and demand. The best way to discourage "Gouging" --- do not buy. Simplistic annalogy: One man's trash is another man's treasure. Crude, but simple explanation. These items that are now considered to "price gouging" offers are DICRETIONARY items of consumption, not necessities of life as we know it. When neccesities of life are artificially inflated due to an emergency or disaster then the morality of the seller comes into question, but for a 30 rd Magpul, etc., I think not.
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To me the situation lies somewhere between necessity and discretionary. I won't be able to operate my new AR .308 (at least as a semi-auto) without at least one mag. Do I absolutely need it or the rifle? No. But I've got some serious coin into the rifle...and for want of a nail, so to speak. Mags were, unfortunately, down the parts acquisition list.
So while I understand the market dynamics it still sucks when some people are buying dozens or hundreds of mags, drying up the supply. I was lucky enough to score two (and I limited myself to that) and <span style="font-weight: bold">I will shop with Palmetto State Armory again because they didn't mark prices up</span>. In fact, the next day I spent 5X that on other items from them. Hopefully, a backorder I have had with Brownells since Dec. 3 will come through at some point.
To me the situation lies somewhere between necessity and discretionary. I won't be able to operate my new AR .308 (at least as a semi-auto) without at least one mag. Do I absolutely need it or the rifle? No. But I've got some serious coin into the rifle...and for want of a nail, so to speak. Mags were, unfortunately, down the parts acquisition list.
So while I understand the market dynamics it still sucks when some people are buying dozens or hundreds of mags, drying up the supply. I was lucky enough to score two (and I limited myself to that) and <span style="font-weight: bold">I will shop with Palmetto State Armory again because they didn't mark prices up</span>. In fact, the next day I spent 5X that on other items from them. Hopefully, a backorder I have had with Brownells since Dec. 3 will come through at some point.
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supply and demand. Capitalism. Its what makes this country great. Tasteful? Maybe not. You have the right to buy and sell whatever you want, at whatever price you want. To get pissed off that someone is asking more than you are willing to pay is just stupid and immature. I guess I should cry and bitch because I cant buy a Lambo for the price "I" see as fair.
supply and demand. Capitalism. Its what makes this country great. Tasteful? Maybe not. You have the right to buy and sell whatever you want, at whatever price you want. To get pissed off that someone is asking more than you are willing to pay is just stupid and immature. I guess I should cry and bitch because I cant buy a Lambo for the price "I" see as fair.
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brasscow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a fucking economics class. Gouging is a crybaby liberal term. </div></div>
+1
Im appalled to see opposition to the free market system here.
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: brasscow</div><div class="ubbcode-body">Take a fucking economics class. Gouging is a crybaby liberal term. </div></div>
+1
Im appalled to see opposition to the free market system here.
Re: Can we avoid gouging?
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NSO123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With the idea of this being a community,is there a way that we can address members that may choose to gouge in the for sale section? We don't have a need for people to try and take advantage of panic. It just seems wrong that folks would start screwing each other on here. </div></div>
Sounds good....you first. So what all do you have for sale at pre-gouge prices? I could use some gold, a few Glock 33rd mags for my new 9mm carbine and some 30rd FDE PMAGs for my new AR build.....
Or are you a typical lib and only expect <span style="text-decoration: underline">others</span> to take the high-road??
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: NSO123</div><div class="ubbcode-body">With the idea of this being a community,is there a way that we can address members that may choose to gouge in the for sale section? We don't have a need for people to try and take advantage of panic. It just seems wrong that folks would start screwing each other on here. </div></div>
Sounds good....you first. So what all do you have for sale at pre-gouge prices? I could use some gold, a few Glock 33rd mags for my new 9mm carbine and some 30rd FDE PMAGs for my new AR build.....
Or are you a typical lib and only expect <span style="text-decoration: underline">others</span> to take the high-road??
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