Re: Former LEO gone crazy in SoCal
<div class="ubbcode-block"><div class="ubbcode-header">Originally Posted By: W54/XM-388</div><div class="ubbcode-body">I think some of the criticism of the actions of the police specifically in the final shootout is rather unfair.
While there is obviously a serious need for the citizens to have a heart searching discussion on how the citizens have let it come to a state where the ones hired by the population to represent or protect them are now looked upon by many of that same population as the oppressors, it is however a 2 way street.
People should also ask themselves what would they do in the same situation? It's all good and fine to say what the police should and shouldn't do, but first be a bit realistic about what you would do yourself. Would you be willing to risk your death, your friends death, the death of one of your children, or for that matter any other person on your team in order to give a killer (who said they would never be taken alive), a chance to decide if they wanted to surrender or kill you instead?
Let's assume that it was back to the older days in this country of the local citizens protecting their town when needed in support of the elected person in charge of enforcing the laws the people voted for.
If someone was say upset at the way the local bank was run or the way the local sheriff did things, and posted a notice on the door of the local town hall with his rambling complaint and a vow to kill everyone they felt remotely associated with those he had a beef with, vowing to never be taken alive, never surrender and keep on killing till he was stopped. Would you take that as a serious threat needing to be dealt with quickly?
Then if that same person followed up on their word by starting to kill people who had pretty much nothing to do directly with their beef, would you just sit around and wait while they picked off more of your friends / neighbours / children / random townspeople? Or would you say it's them or us and the threat has to be ended now?
If you were then on the hunt for this someone who was killing people in your town, was well armed, had stated they would never be taken alive, clearly had no intention of surrender, and they made their stand in a wood building, alone away from most people.
Then when you and your group of fellow citizens approached, it's pretty much a guarantee that a shootout would start. Then if during the shootout that person was taking down some of your fellow citizens who were with you, wouldn't you think setting fire to the structure was a good idea? Wouldn't you do whatever it took to put and end to the threat for good?
Now if it was still a country where people had a spine and a backbone, then sure the police should come out and simply say that he was not going to surrender, he said nothing but death would stop him, he had killed some of us and at least 1 civilian, and so we killed him as quickly as we could figure out how to, so no more of us would get killed. However the too many people, even more so in California, to quote a movie line "You can't handle the truth".
Making no statement positive or negative regarding the broader issues and character of departments in California, it is very clear that:
This guy's actions were not those of some hero or freedom fighter
This guy was a killer of innocent people
This guy had no reasonable righteous reason to kill those he did
This guy made it clear he had no plans to stop or surrender
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If this weren't 2013 and we as a Nation weren't in the state we find ourselves in, I would say I don't believe what I am reading, but I digress....
Clearly you think they are "unfair" because you, like the Colorado boys and the worthless idiot slapchop wholly embrace the "us vs them" mentality your masters have indoctrinated into you and with which you all so willingly comply.
Your assumptions that you wish to template this issue with are not only rash, they are shallow, excusing and completely wrong. Personally, I cannot stand injustice, preferential treatment nor complicity where the Law and justice are supposedly to be the rule, not the exception or according to the situation. You ,my deluded friend are doing just that So are the others I named.
First this is not the "old days", rather this is 2013 which means the modern police forces are equipped with state of the art components of engagement and surveillance. Therefore the LA PD are not, nor were relegated to charging the cabin.
Second- Casualties are part of the job that we sign up for. We are supposed to be smarter and more resourceful than the criminal and thus use every ounce of resource to our advantage to overcome the situation at hand. That did not happen, or at least all was not exhausted from what I can tell.
Third- and Most Importantly we Swear to Uphold the Law, not break it on whim or for expediency. Which is Exactly what happened there.
There are one hell of a lot of questions that have yet to be answered by the so called authorities known as the LA PD. There were rash assumptions made, protocols that appear to have been broken along with several Laws, including homicide, negligent or otherwise. That is what makes the difference here and your excuses for that lawless behavior only exacerbate the issues. All of which further the divide we find ourselves facing.
No one here( I think) certainly not I are taking Dorner's side. As I stated he wrote his own ticket to hell. However unless things change he is going to have a lot of company in blue uniforms when the Final Judgment is made by the Just Judge.
Something about this entire thing stinks frankly. I am talking about the things that the media has reported as conveyed by LEO Agencies regarding the manifesto, the finding of two different drivers licenses in very different locales etc. That says nothing the on air transmissions of "burn the M-Fer out". Nor the ham- fisted comments by the Sherriff stating they "didn't intend to burn the cabin down". I wonder of the LE Agencies really believe many of the general pop are as stupid as some of their buffoonish efforts indicate? Or is it that they simply don't care because they are in the matrix and they have the badges and guns?
What I find most telling in this entire discussion is the absence of hard questions and righteous participation from the other LEO's. The only thing I read to this point is accusations by them toward civilians asking the hard questions in order to place them on the defensive, which is true to form and according to training. Then I see their excuses for the blatant disregard for the rule of law or situational ethics committed by their "brothers".
Finally no one is ever going to know the whole of this story because it will be swept under the rug. The LA PD will spin this to their advantage through the media and the short term memory of the gen pop will take over. The two ladies will perhaps make a full recovery and the "milk cow" citizenry will pay for the negligence of the LA PD in settlement form to them and hopefully replace the real property destroyed by LA PD in pursuit of a vendetta and expediency to the cabin's owner.
It's good to be the king..........
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