.260 vrs. 6.5 Creedmoor
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.260 if you reload, 6.5 Creedmoor if you do not. Hornady has good factory 6.5CM ammo. Southwest ammo and Copper creek both have .260 and 6.5CM
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Why do you say this Robert? I am just curious and am not looking for an argument. Just want more input than a one-liner.
WHY? Because I shoot the hell out of both and don't need anyone else buying up the goods. LOL
I was going to respond back soon,LOL. Both will serve you good and ther is no ballistic difference.
You can buy or reload either, Hornady for CM, FGMM or SW ammo for 260
Everyone always says that if you reload go .260. But you can just as easily reload 6.5 Creed no? And if that is the case 6.5 ammo is much cheaper. So It seems like 6.5 is win win, am I missing something?
If you take a look at the case design on the 260 vs. 6.5CM, you'll very easily see which one is the more modern cartridge. The 6.5CM is more anatomically correct when used with the heavies. (140gr'ish) On the 260, the BT junction on the bullet, and up dangling down below the neck/shoulder junction a bit when loaded to mag length. This doesn't hold true when using a long action, or in my case, a DTA. You generally will have the same velocities out of both... so my vote goes for the 6.5CM.
Yet a 260AI can really whip them out there. The creedmoor is already AI'ish... which is why it's a bit more efficient.
Yet a 260AI can really whip them out there. The creedmoor is already AI'ish... which is why it's a bit more efficient.
6.5CM...I reload for mine, works great and can buy factory ammo if needed. Lots of brass and affordable, competition shooters have started to shoot more 6.5 Creedmoor than 260...You won't need to modify or buy special magazines to reload for 6.5 Creedmoor. I have one that GAP built and when I asked George which 6.5mm to get he hands down said Creedmoor. I couldn't be happier.
My focus on getting into a 260 instead of the 6.5 is simply because I have a very ample supply of 243 brass that I can convert. But from my understanding, the "260 if you reload" adage comes from the brass options. The 260 has 4 options (remington, nosler, hornady, and lapua) vs the 6.5 creedmore only having 2 options for brass (hornady and nosler). Having access to lapua brass, plus necking up or down 308 based cases I believe makes the 260 shine a little more.
If the 260 is simply necked-down 308 brass, is there an equivalently straight-forward may to make 6.5 Creedmoor brass?
From the past threads on this, the "260 if you reload" advice was more to do with the availability of factory match ammo for the 6.5CM, whereas (at least at the time) your options for 260 match ammo was from boutique suppliers. [MENTION=28158]RobertB[/MENTION] mentioned above that there's now FGMM 260? If that's the case, then the only other frequently-cited factor is that the .260 case has a slightly larger dimension, allowing handloaders to pack in an extra grain or 2 of powder to eeek out a bit of extra velocity.
Has anybody *actually* seen the 162gr/H4350 encrusted unicorn known as Federal Gold Medal Match 260 Remington 142gr SMK in stock anywhere, be it online or in a shop?
The only place I've seen it has been case upon case in a picture that Terry Cross (IIRC) posted here a couple years ago.
Aw come on now, its not like its been discussed in the last two days...the argument is almost stale!
FWIW, I own two 260s and would choose 6.5 Creedmoor for my first 6.5 if I were doing it all over again due to factory ammo/cost, and local brass availability and cost.
The only place I've seen it has been case upon case in a picture that Terry Cross (IIRC) posted here a couple years ago.
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Aw come on now, its not like its been discussed in the last two days...the argument is almost stale!
FWIW, I own two 260s and would choose 6.5 Creedmoor for my first 6.5 if I were doing it all over again due to factory ammo/cost, and local brass availability and cost.
No. Both use similar weight powder charges and bullets giving similar velocities. It's said the 30 degree shoulder of the Creedmoor will actually help with barrel life but I wouldn't count on any huge difference.
Yeh, I get your point and I agree. I was going to the switch to 6.5 Creedmoor when I wear out my current barrel. But with your recommendation, I will not. ;-)
So I must say that the .308 Winchester round is the worst round EVER and Varget is absolutely WORTHLESS!! ;-)
I am partial to the 260 and my reason at the time (2 years ago) where primarily brass availability and in a pinch I could use 243, 7mm-08 and 308... Now, when It’s time for barrel replacement time I am strongly considering going 6.5 super LR as it’s a hybrid of the other two, 30 degree shoulder and longer neck than a CM while having a powder capacity greater than the CM and maintaining a shorter OAL than the 260... and brass can still be made from the same sources a 260 can. But, it’s a handloaders only cartridge.
I vote 6.5. I own and shoot .260. Decent .260 ammo starts around $35 a box and skyrockets, if you can even find it.
I REALLY wish my gun was a 6.5 with the mountain of 120/140amax factory ammo for $20 a box. You can shoot almost twice as much factory ammo with 6.5 than .260. You can also sell the brass and recoup some of the cost.
I REALLY wish my gun was a 6.5 with the mountain of 120/140amax factory ammo for $20 a box. You can shoot almost twice as much factory ammo with 6.5 than .260. You can also sell the brass and recoup some of the cost.
PLUS, and I can't believe no one has mentioned this..............
6.5 CREEDMOOR just SOUNDS so much cooler. I mean it's like CREED (strong beliefs) + MOOR (desolate barren land where outlaws live). Gives you this chilling sense of lonely righteous fury.
Say it to yourself a couple times. CREEDMOOR. CREEDMOOR. *shivers*
Bam. Decision made. Glad to help.
6.5 CREEDMOOR just SOUNDS so much cooler. I mean it's like CREED (strong beliefs) + MOOR (desolate barren land where outlaws live). Gives you this chilling sense of lonely righteous fury.
Say it to yourself a couple times. CREEDMOOR. CREEDMOOR. *shivers*
Bam. Decision made. Glad to help.
"I REALLY wish my gun was a 6.5 with the mountain of 120/140amax factory ammo for $20 a box."
Please send a link to where I can get it at that price.
Get both; problem solved.
Please send a link to where I can get it at that price.
Get both; problem solved.
How's the recoil? Could you share some photos of groupings? Were you reloading for this or did you use factory ammo?
The reason why people say to go with .260 if you're a reloader is because ammo is high in factory .260 and there are more manufacturers of brass for the .260 Rem. Some people only run Lapua brass. I ran a 6.5x47 L and gave it up because of the lack of brass way back when and losing $1.30 ea brass sucked--but I was getting 12 and 13 firings out of it with one trim. You can also squeeze more speed from .260 Remington.
If you're running double-stack AI mags, they are long enough for either one, even as the throat wears---not that you need to be chasing the lands all the time with Hybrids. Both will feed fine, too.
Depending on your discipline, .260 AI may be good. Had I to do it over again, I'd be shooting 6.5 Creed because I hate trimming brass and wouldn't mind having the ability to buy more affordable factory ammo. But in the end, if you're going to shoot something trying to really be efficient and competitive, you're going to want to run handloads and 140 Berger Hybrids anyway.
If you're trying to be cheap and want to be able to shoot factory ammo, shoot .308 or .223 Rem.
If you're running double-stack AI mags, they are long enough for either one, even as the throat wears---not that you need to be chasing the lands all the time with Hybrids. Both will feed fine, too.
Depending on your discipline, .260 AI may be good. Had I to do it over again, I'd be shooting 6.5 Creed because I hate trimming brass and wouldn't mind having the ability to buy more affordable factory ammo. But in the end, if you're going to shoot something trying to really be efficient and competitive, you're going to want to run handloads and 140 Berger Hybrids anyway.
If you're trying to be cheap and want to be able to shoot factory ammo, shoot .308 or .223 Rem.
I just made 1000 pieces of 6.5 creedmoor brass from .308. Not rocket science, but don't be surprised when you have to turn the necks to get it 100% right.
John
I have a 260 and would 6.5 creed if starting over.
Losing high dollar or hand made 260 brass sucks. Hornady 6.5 brass works fine and is cheap.
Ballistically they shoot the same bullet at the same speed so that's a wash.
Losing high dollar or hand made 260 brass sucks. Hornady 6.5 brass works fine and is cheap.
Ballistically they shoot the same bullet at the same speed so that's a wash.
Between the two, Id go 6.5 CM for a GAP-10/gas gun and .260 or .260AI for R700/other custom.
Instead of limiting the choices though, if I was going to get a gas gun, and I am going to get a GAP-10 in the future, Id go 6mm Creedmoor 23-24" barrel and have a 16-18" .308 upper from GAP on standby for closer range and faster paced matches/thick woods hogs so I aint gotta hump as much weight. IMO a 16-18" barrel .308 AR is about as close as you can get to an optimal hog rifle. Allows you to put as many rounds on them as required(usually they take more than 1) and theres plenty of good penetrating bullet options out there for .30cal.
For a bolt rifle, Id just go ahead on up to a 6.5 SAUM. And just like the GAP-10, I also plan to have a 6.5 SAUM in the future as well. Its still on a short action just like the others, and anything it doesnt beat in velocity(eg: 6.5 WSM), it still comes close and barrel life is much higher.
Instead of limiting the choices though, if I was going to get a gas gun, and I am going to get a GAP-10 in the future, Id go 6mm Creedmoor 23-24" barrel and have a 16-18" .308 upper from GAP on standby for closer range and faster paced matches/thick woods hogs so I aint gotta hump as much weight. IMO a 16-18" barrel .308 AR is about as close as you can get to an optimal hog rifle. Allows you to put as many rounds on them as required(usually they take more than 1) and theres plenty of good penetrating bullet options out there for .30cal.
For a bolt rifle, Id just go ahead on up to a 6.5 SAUM. And just like the GAP-10, I also plan to have a 6.5 SAUM in the future as well. Its still on a short action just like the others, and anything it doesnt beat in velocity(eg: 6.5 WSM), it still comes close and barrel life is much higher.
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6.5 Creedmoor | SGAmmo.com
Check back once a week and they ususaly get restocked. Ammo gennie will also pull up some other places that have it for similar prices.
In a DTA or some other sort of action with clearance for loading those 140s out with a .260 you could go either. My Sako 85 hunter is chambered in .260 and i like it a lot. Because of Sako's "medium" action though i have ample room to seat the bullets out. All that said i'm switching to the 6.5CM for my main rig. It's the .260 done right and that's really all there is to it IMO. Aesthetically the 30 degree shoulder looks great and allows seat 140s mag length without hindering powder capacity. Couple that with the fact that maybe you need to just buy factory ammo for one match because you haven't had time to reload or something of that nature, it's there.
6.5 Creedmoor - .260 Done Right?
6.5CM just looks great to me
a .260AI is also a great looking cartridge.
6.5 Creedmoor - .260 Done Right?
6.5CM just looks great to me
a .260AI is also a great looking cartridge.
Would someone please pin one of these stupid topics so that it is not on every other freaking page of the Forum!
Oh I am sorry, it wouldn't matter anyway, because none of the people who start these topics on a daily basis would bother reading it anyway!
To those of you who are too lazy to use the search function or read what has been so graciously provided for you here, please do the rest of us a huge favor, take some freaking initiative to read, or stay away from the keyboard.
To those of you who reply to the same freaking topic everyday, please don't encourage it.
Sorry, but the frustration level of sorting through page after page of the same freaking topics gets very old.
Yes I am an old grumpy fart, so please forgive me, but the complete lack of motivation, discipline, and respect is going to freaking kill me! Maybe I am just better off to go if this is what the future holds?
EDIT - took about 2 minutes to find these, all from the last 2-3 months:
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/217695-6-5-cm-260-rem.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/elr-beyond-1000-yards/221055-260.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...ion-rifles/232938-good-time-switch-260-a.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/225272-7mm-08-vs-260-a.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/217151-260-rem-7mm-08-a.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting.../217925-260-rem-vs-6-5-creedmoor-hunting.html
I could probably find double or triple that with another 5-10 minutes of searching, and by going back another couple of months!
Oh I am sorry, it wouldn't matter anyway, because none of the people who start these topics on a daily basis would bother reading it anyway!
To those of you who are too lazy to use the search function or read what has been so graciously provided for you here, please do the rest of us a huge favor, take some freaking initiative to read, or stay away from the keyboard.
To those of you who reply to the same freaking topic everyday, please don't encourage it.
Sorry, but the frustration level of sorting through page after page of the same freaking topics gets very old.
Yes I am an old grumpy fart, so please forgive me, but the complete lack of motivation, discipline, and respect is going to freaking kill me! Maybe I am just better off to go if this is what the future holds?
EDIT - took about 2 minutes to find these, all from the last 2-3 months:
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/217695-6-5-cm-260-rem.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/elr-beyond-1000-yards/221055-260.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...ion-rifles/232938-good-time-switch-260-a.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/225272-7mm-08-vs-260-a.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/217151-260-rem-7mm-08-a.html
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting.../217925-260-rem-vs-6-5-creedmoor-hunting.html
I could probably find double or triple that with another 5-10 minutes of searching, and by going back another couple of months!
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Hey 101, I want you to try something tomorrow morning. Try turning the light on when you get dressed, From reading your post it sounds to me like you keep putting your wife's panties on instead of your underwear. Come on man, life is too short.
Kind of hard to put on the wife's panties, given all of her things were taken out of the house when she passed. Life is too short, the fact that I am here but my wife is not, proves that out all too well.
It is too short, to short to sit back and expect the world to be at your beck and call. Where would the shooting sports be if we all simply sat around waiting on someone else to do everything for us?
Since I retired and my wife passed I fill my days doing anything that I can related to shooting. A big part of that is working with new shooters of all types, to include a number of new junior shooters. I have been blessed to work with some really great new shooters who listen to every word intently, follow every direction to the tee, and bust their ass doing whatever you ask of them. I have also seen a steady influx of new shooters who will soon be the death of the shooting sports. They know it all you can't teach them anything, they expect everything to be delivered to them on a silver platter, they spend more time and effort trying to get out work than just doing it, and the list goes on.
I could just sit around and bitch about them, or I could try and do something about it, which starts with calling a spade a spade. If it pisses them off, runs them off, then so be it, because the ones that are worth it will ultimately come around.
My apologies once again for the rant, but IMHO, there is nothing wrong with some "tough love" or whatever PC term you want to use. Where are the shooting sports, or this country for that matter, going to end up without it?
"Give a man a fish, and you feed him for a day; show him how to catch fish, and you feed him for a lifetime."
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What is end use?
What platform?
Desired bullet to be used?
Mag system and max OAL allowed by said mag system?
260 AI isn't worth going to IMHO.
6.5X47 if you know you'll get all brass back is pretty sweet round.
6.5 Creedmoor is well designed round and if limited to 2.860" OAL by magazine is way to go.
Reasonably priced factory ammo available.
6.5X47 is right there but if running n gunning at tactical match and losing brass....going to get edged out by cheaper Creedmoor brass.
6.5 Creedmoor is well supported by Hornady, gives solid performance and cost/performance is hard to beat.
I'm still partial to the 260.
