.260 vrs. 6.5 Creedmoor

[RobertB]

This is still going. Pick one and shoot it. I didn't know which one I wanted so now I have 2 GAP 6.5 Creedmoors, 2 surgeon 260's, 2 custom 6.5x284s and 1 custom 6.5x47 Lapua. I can tell you that ballistcally you will see NO DIFFERENCE between 3 of them with the x284 being hotter for sure but enough about that. Get one, flip a coin, go out and shoot that badboy. You will be very happy with either. I have lapua brass for my 260 but mostly shoot win 7-08 brass and it does just fine. Don't make it more complicated than it has to be. Its simple, your shooting a 140 match bullet with good BC at a decent speed. Bottom line. All will do fine and if you HAVE to buy ammo then I might would say CM. I buy for both and load for both. SW ammo loads for 260. Buy in bulk and be done. Please end this thread as there have been many on the same topic. When I want to compare stuff I might spend a few days on the tube looking at ANYTHING I can find on the subject. Then post if I cant find it. This is like asking which tires are better, BFG's or goodyear or something like that. Really, take any one of my calibers away and it wont make me hit any more or less targets than the other.

 

[Sgposin]

Would someone please pin one of these stupid topics so that it is not on every other freaking page of the Forum!

Oh I am sorry, it wouldn't matter anyway, because none of the people who start these topics on a daily basis would bother reading it anyway!

To those of you who are too lazy to use the search function or read what has been so graciously provided for you here, please do the rest of us a huge favor, take some freaking initiative to read, or stay away from the keyboard.

To those of you who reply to the same freaking topic everyday, please don't encourage it.

Sorry, but the frustration level of sorting through page after page of the same freaking topics gets very old.

Yes I am an old grumpy fart, so please forgive me, but the complete lack of motivation, discipline, and respect is going to freaking kill me! Maybe I am just better off to go if this is what the future holds?


EDIT - took about 2 minutes to find these, all from the last 2-3 months:
http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/217695-6-5-cm-260-rem.html

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/elr-beyond-1000-yards/221055-260.html

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting...ion-rifles/232938-good-time-switch-260-a.html

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/225272-7mm-08-vs-260-a.html

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting/snipers-hide-bolt-action-rifles/217151-260-rem-7mm-08-a.html

http://www.snipershide.com/shooting.../217925-260-rem-vs-6-5-creedmoor-hunting.html

I could probably find double or triple that with another 5-10 minutes of searching, and by going back another couple of months!

I think one great part about this forum is that you get to interact with other shooters. I have learned more on this and other forums than I have anywhere else. I like reading these new (Old) topics. Yes I can and do search through old topics for educational value, but it's just more entertaining to talk about it now... I think most would agree. Let's be honest, how much action would we see here if no one ever discussed a topic that has already been covered. All that being said, I'm very sorry for your loss and even though I may not agree with your post I do value your opinion.

 

[LRShooter101]

My deepest apologies it was all meant in full. Forgive me.

Accepted,

Just please do me a favor, spend some time and effort researching your questions before you jump on the "Post New Thread" button.

No disrespect intended to the posters in this thread, but the reality of the matter is, there is nothing new in this thread, all of the material in it has already been posted on this site 100 times over. When that happens, hitting the "New Posts" button brings up 5-10 pages of material, of which 50% or more of it is all of the same exact stuff rehashed over and over and over again.

Also, as it should be obvious based on the feedback here, asking a question like this is pretty much the same as asking "who makes a better pickup, Ford or Chevy"?

Reality is, everything in life has Pros & Cons, find out what they are, and then make a well educated decision for yourself based on what actually matters to you. What matters the most or works the best for one person, is not necessarily the same for all.

Per my previous post, 15-30 minutes spent searching here, or on the internet, will provide you with every Pro & Con that you need to know about any 6.5mm caliber. As someone who never saw a computer or the internet until I was over halfway through life, if I can figure it out, anyone else should sure be able to do it.

Sure it is easier to just ask, and have all of that material delivered to you on a silver platter, however if everyone took that approach, no one will ultimately be around to show up with the silver platter!

Apologies once again for the philosophical sidetracks, however as someone who has been around for a very long time and is looking at where we came from and where we are going, some folks are going to have to start trying to hold a line somewhere, or we are going to find ourselves in a very bad place.

There is obviously a time and place for the "Post New Thread" button, hopefully with some guidance from everyone, that time and place will become more apparent, and we will all ultimately benefit from that.

 

[LRShooter101]

I think one great part about this forum is that you get to interact with other shooters. I have learned more on this and other forums than I have anywhere else. I like reading these new (Old) topics. Yes I can and do search through old topics for educational value, but it's just more entertaining to talk about it now... I think most would agree. Let's be honest, how much action would we see here if no one ever discussed a topic that has already been covered. All that being said, I'm very sorry for your loss and even though I may not agree with your post I do value your opinion.

Thanks very much for the sentiments,

The obvious purpose of this forum is discussion, however that discussion can take place in a productive or unproductive format.

IMHO, having someone constantly starting a new thread, which simply becomes a rehash of an existing topic and results in a 2-3 page thread of regurgitated material, is not very productive. It clogs the site with hundreds of 2-3 page threads that contain basically the same material, which in turn makes it a nightmare to try and search through it all for quality material.

On the other hand, if someone who is seeking knowledge, would read what is already out there, and then if they have a question which is not answered by what is in that material, then asks that question in an existing thread, then we would end up with a limited number of 20-30 page threads, which would be a continual growth / improvement of the topic. Those topics could then be pinned as a substantial body of knowledge.

With the "start a new post every time methodology", you will have to read through a large number posts on a given topic. The majority of the material in those posts will be the same material, with occasionally something new being added. So what makes more sense, having to read through hundreds of threads, and having to sort through all of that repetition looking for something new or different, or being able to go to a limited number of threads and get that information without all of that repetition?

No one should be afraid of asking a question here, however if they are going to do so, it would benefit everyone if they first checked to see if that question had already been asked. If it has, then learn from that exchange first, and if it comes up short, then by all means ask what is needed to take that topic / discussion to the next level.

Sorry, I am not trying to discourage anyone from posting here, I am simply asking them to consider how they are going about it all.

 

[Sgposin]

Thanks very much for the sentiments,

The obvious purpose of this forum is discussion, however that discussion can take place in a productive or unproductive format.

IMHO, having someone constantly starting a new thread, which simply becomes a rehash of an existing topic and results in a 2-3 page thread of regurgitated material, is not very productive. It clogs the site with hundreds of 2-3 page threads that contain basically the same material, which in turn makes it a nightmare to try and search through it all for quality material.

On the other hand, if someone who is seeking knowledge, would read what is already out there, and then if they have a question which is not answered by what is in that material, then asks that question in an existing thread, then we would end up with a limited number of 20-30 page threads, which would be a continual growth / improvement of the topic. Those topics could then be pinned as a substantial body of knowledge.

With the "start a new post every time methodology", you will have to read through a large number posts on a given topic. The majority of the material in those posts will be the same material, with occasionally something new being added. So what makes more sense, having to read through hundreds of threads, and having to sort through all of that repetition looking for something new or different, or being able to go to a limited number of threads and get that information without all of that repetition?

No one should be afraid of asking a question here, however if they are going to do so, it would benefit everyone if they first checked to see if that question had already been asked. If it has, then learn from that exchange first, and if it comes up short, then by all means ask what is needed to take that topic / discussion to the next level.

Sorry, I am not trying to discourage anyone from posting here, I am simply asking them to consider how they are going about it all.

Good points! I can agree with that logic completely.

 

[bogeybrown]

In regards to the redundancy, I personally try not to EVER start a new thread and cringe when I even hit that button because no matter how much I've searched I can be pretty certain that I'm not asking an original question. However, every once in a while a new gem comes to the surface the 3rd or 4th or 10th time across the same ground. In this case, I had apparently completely missed the creation of FGMM 260 ammo in previous threads. This was the first on the subject where I had seen it.
I'm sure it has come up before, but with the OVERWHELMING amount of information exchanged on this forum, it's possible to miss something, in this case I had and THIS thread taught me something new, so it was a worthwhile "new" thread to me.

 

[gimpy]

The redundancy of this thread is better than the usual "Which scope for my 308" thread that seems to always come up.

 

[The Gump]

It's not like the motherfucker asked if he should brake in his barrel. he asked .260 vs 6.5cm. there is more to the discussion other than ballistic performance like case design, which is something not often talked about but plays a major factor in the release of new cartridges. I guess we could not have these discussions and the shooting sports will become boring, crusty, and old due to the fact that ass hats who THINK they know everything bully people who use their brain away from the forum.

Fuck off ass hats. rant off.

 

[darth_ritis]

The obvious purpose of this forum is discussion, however that discussion can take place in a productive or unproductive format.

...

No one should be afraid of asking a question here, however if they are going to do so, it would benefit everyone if they first checked to see if that question had already been asked. If it has, then learn from that exchange first, and if it comes up short, then by all means ask what is needed to take that topic / discussion to the next level.

Sorry, I am not trying to discourage anyone from posting here, I am simply asking them to consider how they are going about it all.

I agree 100% with your objection to overly-similar threads popping up. But, I want to offer up a devil's advocate perspective.

The links in this thread to similar threads got me thinking about ELR calibers and ballistics and which calibers can do what, etc. I wanted to see if anyone had posted thoughts about the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum. But, when you search for "7mm wsm" you get denied for invalid search criteria. I put "site:forum.snipershide.com 7mm wsm" into a Google search and found tons of info. That tells me the 'hide has plenty of threads on the subject, but the built-in search gave me no hope of finding it. So, to be blunt, the search on this site kinda sucks, and contributes to this problem. If I had only used the 'hide search and just posted a new thread about "using 7mm wsm for a 1 mile shot", would I have been berated for not searching first? User education will help reduce redundancy, but improved searching would also go a long way.

Back on topic, I like how 260 is simply a necked-down 308. I wonder if I will eventually have a 243, 260, 7mm-08 & 308 in my safe. LOL

But I'm curious how the 26 Nosler cartridge will fare with ELR shooters once it comes out. Their 129gr Accubond LR should stay supersonic out to 1700 yards, according to the Ballistics AE app. I wonder how many people will use it for its ballistics despite being a barrel burner.

 

[Sgposin]

But I'm curious how the 26 Nosler cartridge will fare with ELR shooters once it comes out. Their 129gr Accubond LR should stay supersonic out to 1700 yards, according to the Ballistics AE app. I wonder how many people will use it for its ballistics despite being a barrel burner.

Seems like barrel life will be very short on this one. Otherwise I'd be all over it.

 

[bogeybrown]

I agree 100% with your objection to overly-similar threads popping up. But, I want to offer up a devil's advocate perspective.

The links in this thread to similar threads got me thinking about ELR calibers and ballistics and which calibers can do what, etc. I wanted to see if anyone had posted thoughts about the 7mm Winchester Short Magnum. But, when you search for "7mm wsm" you get denied for invalid search criteria. I put "site:forum.snipershide.com 7mm wsm" into a Google search and found tons of info. That tells me the 'hide has plenty of threads on the subject, but the built-in search gave me no hope of finding it. So, to be blunt, the search on this site kinda sucks, and contributes to this problem. If I had only used the 'hide search and just posted a new thread about "using 7mm wsm for a 1 mile shot", would I have been berated for not searching first? User education will help reduce redundancy, but improved searching would also go a long way.

Yeah, what I've taken to doing is just opening a new window and googling my question. I invariably get a link back here. I've had mixed luck with the internal search, the addition of "" around my key phrase sometimes helps. I tend to either get nothing back, or a link to the "Puget Sound Shooters" thread. It doesn't matter WHAT I search for, Puget Sound comes up in the results

 

[lash]

In regards to the redundancy, I personally try not to EVER start a new thread and cringe when I even hit that button because no matter how much I've searched I can be pretty certain that I'm not asking an original question. However, every once in a while a new gem comes to the surface the 3rd or 4th or 10th time across the same ground. In this case, I had apparently completely missed the creation of FGMM 260 ammo in previous threads. This was the first on the subject where I had seen it.
I'm sure it has come up before, but with the OVERWHELMING amount of information exchanged on this forum, it's possible to miss something, in this case I had and THIS thread taught me something new, so it was a worthwhile "new" thread to me.

+1 I have to agree with you on this.

I have done plenty of research and reading on the various 6mm and 6.5mm calibers, their usages, people's preferences, etc. However, a good bit of that information is a couple or even 5-7 years old, even if someone just wrote about it or quoted it last month or last week. Since there are always improvements and new ideas out there, I don't have much of a problem reading about and perhaps re-reading about things I may have thought I already knew about. Did I get the word "about" in the last sentence enough times?

I also had not heard that .260 FGMM was available and I find that to be a potentially valuable piece of information. Plus, I have found that there is a constant saw that is immediately quoted as soon as the subject of 6.5s comes up, regarding the availability of manufactured ammunition for each of the choices. Here locally and even what I find online, there is more available in .260 that I can buy than in 6.5 Creedmoor. Perhaps it's just my experience, but every time I see someone say to choose .260 if you reload and 6.5 Creedmoor if you don't, I cringe and am tempted to chime in. I just do not believe that this is any longer the case. It certainly was the case a few years ago, but times change. Popularity of a cartridge opens up demand and supply usually finds it's way to places where there is demand.

Moral of story: Live and let post

You don't like, move on.

 

[bogeybrown]

^^^^^^

When I first decided to go 6.5mm in some form or another, the availability of the Hornady factory match ammo for the 6.5 is what pushed me n that direction. THIS is the year I'll finally be building that rifle, and as a non-reloader (at the moment) I'm still seeing a better supply of match 6.5CM compared to 260. As nice as a FGMM offering is/would be (still haven't actually FOUND any), knowing the prices for FGMM in other calibers, I still think the factory Hornady is going to be my huckleberry.

That, and as someone said above, 6.5 CREEDMOOR just sounds cooler

 

[BoilerUP]

I also had not heard that .260 FGMM was available

Its not.

"Coming soon" for two years now...

 

[Bucolic_Jake]

I went with the 6.5 Creedmoor based on a lot of what has been said here is this thread and others. I would like to add that Winchester is introducing match ammo with 140 Sierra MatchKings this year. Hopefully brass is soon to follow. Norma plans on making 6.5 Creedmoor brass by April. Really the only thing keeping the 6.5 Creedmoor behind, if you could even say that, is the lack of Lapua brass.

 

[Lowe Left]

[MENTION=87222]holdstillplease[/MENTION]. I don't own one, meant as sarcasm.

 

[lash]

Its not.

"Coming soon" for two years now...

I just did some searching and I see what you mean.

Way to get a guy's hopes up...

On the plus side, I've had pretty good luck with SWA loaded ammo and they have been using SSA brass, so that is a plus. Of course, regular availability of 142 SMK projectiles is somewhat problematic for the new guy like me. The SWA 136 Scenar L loads seem to work pretty darn good when I can get them.

 

[LRShooter101]

I just hit the "New Post" button, and I got 160 results, and out of those 160 results there were only 15 threads that were NOT "one page wonders".

Don't get me wrong, there are going to be one page response because it is a very limited topic that only warrants a couple of replies and it is effectively finished. There is very much a time and place for New Posts, and many of them will justifiably produce a one page response.

That being the case, I would argue that at least 50% or more of the one page wonders are there simply because someone would rather hit the "Post New Thread" button, then spend some time researching their issue/question.

That then creates a problem for those who are trying to research their issue/question before starting a new thread. If you plug in "260 Sniper's Hide" into Google, you will get 6,880 results back! If you are following my reasoning, then you know that a majority of them are pretty much worthless one page wonders. That can then force someone to go through hundreds of results to try and find that they are looking for. Needless to say, I know about this first hand, because I run into this problem all of the time.

Something else to consider, each one of those one page wonders is taking up bandwidth and storage on the server. I greatly appreciate the service that Frank / Sniper's Hide provides for FREE, however bandwidth and server storage are not free, and I am sure if they grow big enough, someone will end up having to pay for it! Is it worth having to pay for the same stuff being needlessly repeated over and over?

In regards to picking up useful info from this thread, like the FGGM .260, that subject has been mentioned here in many different one page wonders. But because they are one page wonders, they are here today and gone tomorrow, so many readers will not catch them. If there were a couple of .260 / 6.5 threads which were consistently being read and updated accordingly, then that would not happen.

In terms of searching, if the advanced search on the site is not working for you, then:
- use an outside search engine
- use the Google Sniper's Hide Search:
https://www.google.com/cse/home?cx=001874066227474777122:myqcyemnqwa&hl=en
or
site:snipershide.com (plus your search term)

It may take a little effort, but it will ultimately pay off for everyone. All of the unwarranted one page wonders are not really in the best interest of anyone, especially for the long term.

This Forum is ultimately what the users choose to make it. I for one do not wish to see it turn into a Forum where there a more questions than answers, because those who are in the know get tired and feed-up dealing with all of the needless duplication and lack of effort to take advantage of what has already been provided.

Thanks to everyone for the civil discussion on this matter. To those who show up looking for the original 260 vs 6.5 material, my apologies for the side track, but hopefully it will help down the road with the big picture.

 

[Sgposin]

I say we dub this the offical .260 vs 6.5 Creedmoor page!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahaha

 

[orkan]

I say we dub this the offical .260 vs 6.5 Creedmoor page!!!!!!!!!!!!! hahaha

Poor choice, this thread. It's not full of 6.5CM vs 260rem discussion. It's full of "why'd you start a new thread" discussion.

 

[Sgposin]

Poor choice, this thread. It's not full of 6.5CM vs 260rem discussion. It's full of "why'd you start a new thread" discussion.

That was sarcasm, hence the hahaha.