Rifle Scopes Just ordered a Minox from CST!

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It's the ZP5 5-25 MR4 Reticle. I'm very excited, should be here tomorrow. I've got a Steiner Military 5-25 to compare it to, we'll see how it goes.
I've never used a Christmas tree type reticle before, but I liked the way this one was done. I hope I find it useful, the MR5 looked excellent, maybe an improvement over my MSR.

CS Tactical was great to deal with, I will buy from them again.
 
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It really isn't hype......But, there are an awful lot of really good scopes out there these days. You're probably hearing a lot of chatter from (dare I say it ? "Fanboys". I suppose I could be considered guilty of that too....).
If I didn't have ZP5s, or, they weren't available, could I be happy with Schmidt & Bender, Kahles, Hensoldt, TT, etc ? Absolutely !
 
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Just received mine today I ordered from CS Tac. The hype is real!! I swapped a Kahles SKMR3 for it. I like it much better, I mean every aspect of the Minox is better imho. I was skeptical seeing all the posts here, but I absolutely love this optic.
 
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Gil P. said:
It's the ZP5 5-25 MR4 Reticle. I'm very excited, should be here tomorrow. I've got a Steiner Military 5-25 to compare it to, we'll see how it goes.
I've never used a Christmas tree type reticle before, but I liked the way this one was done. I hope I find it useful, the MR5 looked excellent, maybe an improvement over my MSR.

CS Tactical was great to deal with, I will buy from them again.
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Sorry to to hear that, man. I made the same mistake, and now I'm stuck buying $3k optics. The Minox ruined everything else for me.
 
#10
i got my ZP5 MR4 last tuesday(thanks CS tactical AWESOME guys to deal with)...i shot a nightforce 8-32 nxs and a ATACR for about 7yrs. when i went FFP i switched to a GEN2 razor which ive shot for the last 3yrs...love the razor and NFs but the glass in the minox is hands down better...i really like the reticle..turrets and focus are tight and positive...i have not mounted the minox yet as im swapping barrels this weekend.
i can say for my eyes the hype is justified and honestly i did not expect this scope to be as clear and sharp as it is...makes me wish ida bought German glass a LONG time ago.
 
#12
Went to the range a couple times this week with the Minox.

I did a tall target test, and it tracked perfectly. I use a tape measure to get the exact distance.
The glass is great. Turrets are excellent, very tactile, with the perfect amount of stiffness. The parallax and illumination is excellent as well. The reticle will take some getting used to. The center dot is very precise, I found the .2 mil divisions to be easy to use. The reticle is much thinner than the MSR in my Steiner (.035 vs .05), when it starts getting dark, the illumination in the Minox comes in handy.

The markings on the turrets are also super bright. The eyebox on my Steiner is probably a little better, I didn't have any issues getting behind the Minox though. At Max power the Minox is surprisingly comfortable to look through. It really is excellent when you crank it up.

I want haven't used the holdovers yet. I plan on doing that in my next trip to the range.

 

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Gil P. said:
How do you like the reticle in your AMG?
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Overall I like it, but there are changes I would make. I would prefer a fine center dot like the Razor Gen 2 over the floating crosshair, but I like the combination of .2 mrad subtensions and .5 mrad subtensions, very usable. I would like a .1 mrad scale like the MR4 reticle has because I find using the far edges of x and y axes somewhat difficult .
 
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Interesting, I think the .2 reticle scale makes the .1 mil scales kind of unnecessary. I think both are useful. The center dot is still taking some getting used to. I'm planning on shooting some 800-1000 yard targets this weekend, I wonder what that dot will look like at distance .
 
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smvmarine said:
Just received mine today I ordered from CS Tac. The hype is real!! I swapped a Kahles SKMR3 for it. I like it much better, I mean every aspect of the Minox is better imho. I was skeptical seeing all the posts here, but I absolutely love this optic.
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I would love to hear details that separate the two. Thanks!
 
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The reason I sent the Kahles back to CS Tactical (they were great about it) was because I was getting fairly severe purple fringing on the edge of many objects. I had to be PERFECTLY centered behind it to not see it. Minox, I can't get any CA at all no matter how hard I try. I wasn't a fan of the center mounted parallax on the Kahles. The contrast on the Kahles was not as good as the Minox, nor was the brightness I feel the Minox is a little brighter. The turrets I liked on the Minox better as well, they are more grippy, and I liked the clicks better they feel more tactile. The elevation knob is more tactile than the windage. The one thing I did like better on the Kahles was the 1st to 2nd rev feeling and the 2nd rev indicator. Plus the Minox comes with Tenebraex Caps. I was skeptical about all the hype I was reading, I felt people were just happy with their new toy. In my eyes all the praise is warranted. I completely happy with it. The Kahles never really gave me the wow factor, but the Minox does.
 
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smvmarine said:
The reason I sent the Kahles back to CS Tactical (they were great about it) was because I was getting fairly severe purple fringing on the edge of many objects. I had to be PERFECTLY centered behind it to not see it. Minox, I can't get any CA at all no matter how hard I try. I wasn't a fan of the center mounted parallax on the Kahles. The contrast on the Kahles was not as good as the Minox, nor was the brightness I feel the Minox is a little brighter. The turrets I liked on the Minox better as well, they are more grippy, and I liked the clicks better they feel more tactile. The elevation knob is more tactile than the windage. The one thing I did like better on the Kahles was the 1st to 2nd rev feeling and the 2nd rev indicator. Plus the Minox comes with Tenebraex Caps. I was skeptical about all the hype I was reading, I felt people were just happy with their new toy. In my eyes all the praise is warranted. I completely happy with it. The Kahles never really gave me the wow factor, but the Minox does.
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Unfortunately it was one of those rare occasions where there was something off on that scope and was sent back, glad you're happy with the Minox :cool:
 
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So far I'm still liking it. I keep telling myself I want the MR5 reticle version. The Tenebraex caps it comes with are ok. Not as low profile or nice as Aadmount. photo65692.jpg
The floating dot is easy to use on most shots. If it were any smaller (it's .05 mils) I would find it unusable. The reticle is .035 mils thick, I like thicker reticles, but this works. I think the MR5 would be easier to use at lower mags since it's thicker. I'm still practicing with the holdovers. The reticle is still excellent by the way, my favorite tree type reticle I've ever seen. I have a lot of experience with the MSR however, and the MR5 is the best version I've ever seen. What I'm trying to say is Minox has some awesome reticles.
 
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I bought both of my ZP5s from CST, great prices.
I'm pleased to hear the current production scopes have good turrets.
My first (MR2) went back to Germany to rebuild the turrets and they are now better than those on my MR4.
The turrets on my MR4 aren't bad, either.
As mentioned, CA is nonexistent, and optically they are the brightest, highest resolution scopes I've used.
I opted for the MR2 reticle over the MR5 on the first as I like the .2 mil hashes on the reticle.
The MR4 reticle is my favorite, though.
The warranty being (at this time) expressly for the original owner keeps me from buying a used one.
The warranty covers accidental damage (think Vortex VIP warranty) so I'm inclined to hang onto mine for a while.
 
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scudzuki said:
I bought both of my ZP5s from CST, great prices.
I'm pleased to hear the current production scopes have good turrets.
My first (MR2) went back to Germany to rebuild the turrets and they are now better than those on my MR4.
The turrets on my MR4 aren't bad, either.
As mentioned, CA is nonexistent, and optically they are the brightest, highest resolution scopes I've used.
I opted for the MR2 reticle over the MR5 on the first as I like the .2 mil hashes on the reticle.
The MR4 reticle is my favorite, though.
The warranty being (at this time) expressly for the original owner keeps me from buying a used one.
The warranty covers accidental damage (think Vortex VIP warranty) so I'm inclined to hang onto mine for a while.
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Can you give me your thoughts on the key differences between the MR4 and MR2? I've been trying to purchase a MR4 since October last year (I'm based in Australia) but I can't find any vendors with stock. I can however pick up an MR2 reticle version so I'm considering that given I can always send it to Minox for the MR4 conversion if needed. Thanks, BP
 
#31
I would get the MR2 if I were you. If your not holding over for elevation, the MR2 will serve you well. There are a ton of guys running (and loving) the S&B P4f or NF MILR. This is a similar reticle, and is better with 2/10 markings. I think for 95% of my shooting I wouldn't need more. I have a buddy that runs the Steiner / Burris SCR and loves it and will not change to an X-mas tree reticle. I think a lot of the people on this forum have illusions that they are gonna be holding-over (and shooting in the PRS finale), but most will not.

Don't get me wrong, the MR4 is a great reticle, I have 2. I will almost always dial my elevation, but on some stages you are not allowed, sometimes it is a little faster not to, or you just ran out of time. for that the MR4 (or any X-mas tree) will help you.
 
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delfuego said:
I would get the MR2 if I were you. If your not holding over for elevation, the MR2 will serve you well. There are a ton of guys running (and loving) the S&B P4f or NF MILR. This is a similar reticle, and is better with 2/10 markings. I think for 95% of my shooting I wouldn't need more. I have a buddy that runs the Steiner / Burris SCR and loves it and will not change to an X-mas tree reticle. I think a lot of the people on this forum have illusions that they are gonna be holding-over (and shooting in the PRS finale), but most will not.

Don't get me wrong, the MR4 is a great reticle, I have 2. I will almost always dial my elevation, but on some stages you are not allowed, sometimes it is a little faster not to, or you just ran out of time. for that the MR4 (or any X-mas tree) will help you.
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Good thoughts. The reality is that 99% of the time I'll be dialling elevation - so the MR2 way well do what I need. I'm a big fan of the centre dot though, and the MR4 is the best execution of a Xmas tree I've seen.
 
#33
i agree, i love the MR4, but i use it probably once every 10-15 stages...if im forced to hold by the stage rules or by design and tight time limits with lots of transitions
 
#34
The benefits of the MR4 over the MR2 are floating dot center and christmas tree style elevation plus wind holds, also, much more of the reticle is illuminated.
If you have no need for the added clutter of the christmas tree and you can forgive the traditional crosshair center (the line weight is pretty thin, too) and/or are okay with only the center being illuminated (like S&B P4F and Steiner M5 MSR) then the MR2 is for you.
The MR5 I never gave a 2nd thought. It has more of the reticle illuminated than the MR2 but lacks the .2 mil hashes which I've grown to really like
 
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