"Attention, Future Rural Warlords, Blue Light Red State Special on Aisle Three."
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Excellent choice, Boo Boo.
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I was hoping you would go for something simpler, like SikhBob. Like Silent Bob, only...well...different.
They don't grant any right to vote. They do say you can't be denied a right to vote on certain factors. There is a difference.
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You fail at logic.
1. Article 9 protects unenumerated rights
2. Articles 14, 15, 19, 24, and 26 affirm the pre-existing natural right to vote, since a right that does not exist cannot be denied or abridged.
3. Article 17 also affirms a pre-existing right to vote (the People vote for Senators directly)
It takes more than a 5th grade education to understand the Constitution.
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As far as presidential elections go, the States choose their process for selecting electors. 14A prevents the States from barring some people from voting. BTW, this "right to vote" that existed in the 1800 didn't apply to women and people under 21. How's that work?
The answer to your question lies in the second paragraph of the Declaration of Independence...
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness."
Emphasis added by me on; "Men" to denote that when the founders wrote the document they did not mean "all people," but all land-holding free males of majority status that paid taxes; and on "unalienable Rights, that among these" to show that these rights are absolute and extend beyond "life, liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness."
"Men" in this context excludes the poor, women, slaves, the vast majority of free black men, and Native Americans. (Free black men could vote in a very few northern States.)
As 308Pirate notes above, Article 9 protects unenumerated rights- meaning that the failure of a right to be listed does not mean the right does not exist. However, the ideas of the founding fathers were far from egalitarian, and as we as a society move closer to that ideal (and as the definition of "men" in this context moves to "citizens of the US" or even "people") the rights that apply to "men" are extended to previously disenfranchised groups.
I'm going with "God's Straight Man..."
The good part about that is I wouldn't have to do much more than grin and nod; and My Partner will not be swayed by specious arguments from ether side.
I figure there's a lot of chuckling going on Upstairs at all the posturing and puffery taking place these days.
Whatever we any of us have to say and do, the Other Shoe always drops.
When I see earthquakes, volcanoes and floods in tumultuous regions, I basically just nod and go "Uh huh!".
Greg
PS, Please don't be thinking of me as a 'Warlord"; I'm really a bit more barbaric than all that... I really don't see a firearm as being appropriate to address all the Kerfuffle going on today; I think Negan has the better implement for such purposes...
As our Mom used to tell us from time to time, "See...., God just punched ya...." I'm seeing the windup already.
The good part about that is I wouldn't have to do much more than grin and nod; and My Partner will not be swayed by specious arguments from ether side.
I figure there's a lot of chuckling going on Upstairs at all the posturing and puffery taking place these days.
Whatever we any of us have to say and do, the Other Shoe always drops.
When I see earthquakes, volcanoes and floods in tumultuous regions, I basically just nod and go "Uh huh!".
Greg
PS, Please don't be thinking of me as a 'Warlord"; I'm really a bit more barbaric than all that... I really don't see a firearm as being appropriate to address all the Kerfuffle going on today; I think Negan has the better implement for such purposes...
As our Mom used to tell us from time to time, "See...., God just punched ya...." I'm seeing the windup already.
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So voting in an election is a God given right? And as society changes the meaning of the constitution changes and amendments are ratified to enforce this new meaning? If that's the case, we might as well wipe our ass with it.
After the Pole Tax's went away in the 60's the FSA started pulling the lever for their pockets. To me that was a huge mistake, allowing people to vote who have proven by their life style/actions that can not or will not work or control their debt, habits, or wide open legs. On the public tit, or No skin in the game, no fucking vote as far as I'm concerned. To allow those who can not or will not control their lives to not be burden on others is criminal. I was not put here to support the fucks who won't work. That said, I have no issue helping those who need help to get back up, but if they think I'm here to be their slave so they can set on their fat asses an not be accountable for their actions, fuck them they can die in a ditch.
You see them in china world every day, you could cut them in two pieces an the fucks would still be over weigh for their height. Lazy ass fucks are everywhere, because when you pay people to be sorry they will never disappoint you. Fucking leaches everyone of them.
You see them in china world every day, you could cut them in two pieces an the fucks would still be over weigh for their height. Lazy ass fucks are everywhere, because when you pay people to be sorry they will never disappoint you. Fucking leaches everyone of them.
Heinlein had an answer to that. A lot of folks can't see how we might get to there from here. I say, just watch and listen; there's a breakdown coming, and there are a lot of options lining up. Which one prevails is probably not going to be based on logic, except maybe by the logic of who's left standing when the dust clears.
I plan on standing...; but then again, I also expect The Landlord will have a lot to say about that, too...
Life is what happens while we're otherwise making our plans, but the Big Kahuna has the bigger say..
I plan on standing...; but then again, I also expect The Landlord will have a lot to say about that, too...
Life is what happens while we're otherwise making our plans, but the Big Kahuna has the bigger say..
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Not exactly. Society changes. That's a fact we all must live with. Better or worse, change happens. In the 18th century, the laws of coverture married women had few- if any- legal rights. Single women had a few rights (ownership of property, right to work in "some" fields, etc). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coverture
Likewise, slaves had no rights, and were legally (and constitutionally) only considered 3/5 of a person for census purposes.
However, as society changes, the constitution- as written- remains constant. The evolving society may find parts of the constitution to no longer mesh with the current societal norms. The framers of the constitution had the foresight to make provisions for this in Article V of the Constitution... "The Congress, whenever two thirds of both Houses shall deem it necessary, shall propose Amendments to this Constitution, or, on the Application of the Legislatures of two thirds of the several States, shall call a Convention for proposing Amendments, which, in either Case, shall be valid to all Intents and Purposes, as Part of this Constitution, when ratified by the Legislatures of three fourths of the several States, or by Conventions in three fourths thereof, as the one or the other Mode of Ratification may be proposed by the Congress; Provided that no Amendment which may be made prior to the Year One thousand eight hundred and eight shall in any Manner affect the first and fourth Clauses in the Ninth Section of the first Article; and that no State, without its Consent, shall be deprived of its equal Suffrage in the Senate."
The Constitution of the United States of America (as originally written by the Framers) is a living document, and this is the magic of it's staying power.
Is this REALLY not taught in school anymore? We need to bring back "Schoolhouse Rock..."
https://youtu.be/FFroMQlKiag
When State legislatures chose electors for President rather than by the people of the State voting were they violating the constitution or did that right not yet live in the constitution?
Well MtnCreek, I feel I may have trapped myself, however, here goes...
Article ii. Section 2. Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The States (embodied by their respective legislatures) hold the power (right) to appoint the electors that actually vote for the president. But, the State has the ability to choose how those electors are chosen. Popular vote is the method that all of the State Legislatures have settled upon for appointing the electors. The States have, effectively, delegated their rights to the people.
Collective vs individual rights. Where have I heard that argument before...?
Can I put the Mister Yuck symbol on the flag that flies atop my hill or would that be copyright infringement or some shit?
You're a damned warlord. Copyright infringement? Handle yo bid'ness, player.
This is my country, yes the whole dam thing is my country, its my Constitution, I aint giving up an inch, I will kill everyone and every thing that wants to take away either Country or Constitution. Its my sworn duty and the duty of 25 million others trained like me. Period.
You freedom lovers in commie territory hunker down we will be coming to liberate you, take notes of people's actions while we are making our way there, retribution will be brutal and final.
You freedom lovers in commie territory hunker down we will be coming to liberate you, take notes of people's actions while we are making our way there, retribution will be brutal and final.
Bullshit. If you were going to go to war the first time a politician exceeded his constitutional authority you would have done so many years ago.
If I missed a qualifier that explains why you have not yet acted but how "one more inch" is going to trigger some massive retribution I apologize. Even re-reading your statement I'm still too dumb to get it.
Regardless of if I correctly read/interpreted your statement I'm sorry I used the word "Bullshit" to characterize your statement. I'm just hoping that our recent victories at the ballot box have made the time when we will need to use force of arms at home to defend liberty recede into the distant future. I'm hoping that if our movement stays focused we can improve the congress that President Trump has to work with at the midterm and that American freedom and prosperity will flourish together with out the need for a revolution. I'm pretty sure that if their is a revolution it will not work out well for most of those who support it in the beginning.
Regardless of if I correctly read/interpreted your statement I'm sorry I used the word "Bullshit" to characterize your statement. I'm just hoping that our recent victories at the ballot box have made the time when we will need to use force of arms at home to defend liberty recede into the distant future. I'm hoping that if our movement stays focused we can improve the congress that President Trump has to work with at the midterm and that American freedom and prosperity will flourish together with out the need for a revolution. I'm pretty sure that if their is a revolution it will not work out well for most of those who support it in the beginning.
I shouldnt have called you dumbfuk, I apologize. Not being sarcastic, I mean that. agree with the end result but we probably wont live to see how it works out but am pretty confident our side wins in the end.
