Rifle Scopes Scope for a .338 LM...???

[KOPFJÄGER13]

Hey guys, was wanting some opinions... im getting ready to scope my .338LM and have narrowed the choices down to Burris XTR II, Nightforce SHV and possibly a Vortex Viper PST .
I dont wanna spend more that $1,500 on an optic for a rifle i wont shoot much, but when i do i want the best glass i can have for the price vs. use ...... it wont be shot but maybe 20-50 rounds a month and the milk jug challenge at 1,760y...
Oh, and it has to be MOA/MOA... thanks guys

 

[Diver160651]

Hey guys, was wanting some opinions... im getting ready to scope my .338LM and have narrowed the choices down to Burris XTR II, Nightforce SHV and possibly a Vortex Viper PST .
I dont wanna spend more that $1,500 on an optic for a rifle i wont shoot much, but when i do i want the best glass i can have for the price vs. use ...... it wont be shot but maybe 20-50 rounds a month and the milk jug challenge at 1,760y...
Oh, and it has to be MOA/MOA... thanks guys

Look at the Razor HD 5-2o Gen1. I had 35+ mils/120moa+ elevation travel

The other scopes you mentioned in the 5-25 have only 2oish (unless you drop down to the 14-15 power scopes)

- (used might be a solid option-I just sold one for $1150 with rings, Addland caps and flatline level.)

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

Thanks, I will look at that one, im not a huge fan of vortex...... also i wanna add the trijicon accupoint and nightforce NXS.....

 

[Diver160651]

Thanks, I will look at that one, im not a huge fan of vortex...... also i wanna add the trijicon accupoint and nightforce NXS.....

So you looking at SFP scopes too?

I’ve had all the scopes you’ve mentioned - but none of thouse would live on one of my ELR guns, unless you opted for the 3-15 versions of somthing like the XTRII with 120moa of travel-

There just is not an elevation travel in those choices, for a solid ELR build. Match ammo is six dollars a round, reloads with solids $2each. Not worth it in my opinion.

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

1st or 2nd focal plane doesnt matter to me.... i dont mind running a canted base either..... but your right about having enough MOA..... i do need 20x + elevation, im probably asking too much i that price range....

 

[GIXXER2000]

I shoot a lot of ELR with my .338LM. In the price you want to stay iat the Razor HD Gen 1 would be my choice. With a 20 moa rail and 20 moa base you will be able to zero at 100 yards and maximize the turret travel. With the HD having 35 mils of travel you will be able to dial well over 1 mile. I have both the PST 4X16 and Razor 5X20 and have used both over 1 mile with out issue. What rifle will you be using??

 

[GIXXER2000]

Hey look at Mile High shooting. They are selling the 5x20 HD and this is big with the Spuhr for $1699 in MOA. The Spuhr is $400 alone so you would pay $1299 for the scope. My friend bought this package and could not be happier.

 

[Gohring65]

I’m running a 4-20 xtr ii on my lapua. It does well to 1500. I haven’t had it any further.

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

Awesome!

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

Hey look at Mile High shooting. They are selling the 5x20 HD and this is big with the Spuhr for $1699 in MOA. The Spuhr is $400 alone so you would pay $1299 for the scope. My friend bought this package and could not be happier.

Ill take a look....thanks

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

I’m running a 4-20 xtr ii on my lapua. It does well to 1500. I haven’t had it any further.

Is it because you dont have the travel for further or just havnt had the opportunity to shoot further yet?

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

I shoot a lot of ELR with my .338LM. In the price you want to stay iat the Razor HD Gen 1 would be my choice. With a 20 moa rail and 20 moa base you will be able to zero at 100 yards and maximize the turret travel. With the HD having 35 mils of travel you will be able to dial well over 1 mile. I have both the PST 4X16 and Razor 5X20 and have used both over 1 mile with out issue. What rifle will you be using??

A savage 110BA stealth....was a gift from my wife...

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

Im surprised nobody has said anything bout the Nightforce NXS.......

 

[Gohring65]

Is it because you dont have the travel for further or just havnt had the opportunity to shoot further yet?

I haven’t had the opportunity to shoot it further yet.

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

Could someone give me an idea of how many MOA it takes to get a 338 to a mile? That might help narrow the choices or help find a good moa base/scope combination..... thanks again

 

[Gohring65]

Geographic location
Bullet choice
Velocity
Among other things determine the amount of elevation needed.
I would get a scope with at least 100 moa of travel, with a significant amount of holdover in the reticle, and a 40 moa base.

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

I was thinking it would be 60ish moa.... not 90 ish..... 40 moa base seems excessive.....?????

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

By my calculations... 250gr smk @ 3k fps AND 300gr smk @ 2750 at 5,600' above sea level, 70* with standard atmospheric conditions both need ~60 MOA to reach 1,750y..... so a 20 MOA base and 80-100 MOA total scope travel would be sufficient...... can anyone verify this? If im wrong please feel free to correct me, this is clearly a factor in my scope choice..... thank you

 

[Diver160651]

Here is the rub.

You should be looking at something like the ATCAR line old Razor whatever. But I get you wanting to be at the cheapest scope possible, but there is more to this than having “just” enough.

I am not a MOA guy but looking at my Data book on one of my 338s @ 1800, I needed between 68 and 78 moa (converteted from Mil) at 25 and 29 station pressures.

Ok so let’s say the PSTII 5-25 hs 70MOA.. you all set correct??

No that’s not how it works.

You will have about 35MOA of travel above the optical center. Your SOB will be about -2MOA and you’ll get about -2MOA for your gravity drop at zero.. That’s assuming your rifle is absolutely perfect.

This will theoretically leave you with 31 MOA of elevation.

Enter the 6mil/20MOA base, This will recover some of your unused travel.

So now you have a whopping 50ish MOA — Still not great..

Some of us run 30 or 40 minute basis, but on scopes like the ATCAR or whatever that have 120MOA to play with.

When you try to use these high angle bases with a low travel scopes you often end up with optical issues at your zero and with much of your normal Shooting.

If you are building a ELR gun, Travel needs to be on your radar.. if you need to get something with less magnification to get the travel do so, but don’t skimp on travel for magnification.

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

Here is the rub.

You should be looking at something like the ATCAR line old Razor whatever. But I get you wanting to be at the cheapest scope possible, but there is more to this than having “just” enough.

I am not a MOA guy but looking at my Data book on one of my 338s @ 1800, I needed between 68 and 78 moa (converteted from Mil) at 25 and 29 station pressures.

Ok so let’s say the PSTII 5-25 hs 70MOA.. you all set correct??

No that’s not how it works.

You will have about 35MOA of travel above the optical center. Your SOB will be about -2MOA and you’ll get about -2MOA for your gravity drop at zero.. That’s assuming your rifle is absolutely perfect.

This will theoretically leave you with 31 MOA of elevation.

Enter the 6mil/20MOA base, This will recover some of your unused travel.

So now you have a whopping 50ish MOA — Still not great..

Some of us run 30 or 40 minute basis, but on scopes like the ATCAR or whatever that have 120MOA to play with.

When you try to use these high angle bases with a low travel scopes you often end up with optical issues at your zero and with much of your normal Shooting.

If you are building a ELR gun, Travel needs to be on your radar.. if you need to get something with less magnification- but don’t skimp on travel

I really appreciate your response and 100% see what your saying..... i understand the "optical center" and you explained this very well....
So if i have...
100moa of scope travel (50 one way from center) a 20moa base and a MOAR reticle that has 20 moa of elevation hold, then i technically have 90 moa to play with...... wouldnt the nightforce nxs and 20, or better yet, a 30 moa base do the job pretty easily?

 

[Diver160651]

I really appreciate your response and 100% see what your saying..... i understand the "optical center" and you explained this very well....
So if i have...
100moa of scope travel (50 one way from center) a 20moa base and a MOAR reticle that has 20 moa of elevation hold, then i technically have 90 moa to play with...... wouldnt the nightforce nxs and 20, or better yet, a 30 moa base do the job pretty easily?

Just to add, the hold is great, but you will end up on the funky part of your scope with the FOV limited when on your lower holds.

Also, ELR is a game of misses. Spotting and Comunications are key.

They need to be fast so you can get another shot in the same wind, SFP really can cause communication issues..

Just stuff to think about.. and timber how much ammo costs.

 

[KOPFJÄGER13]

Just to add, the hold is great, but you will end up on the funky part of your scope with the FOV limited when on your lower holds.

Also, ELR is a game of misses. Spotting and Comunications are key.

They need to be fast so you can get another shot in the same wind, SFP really can cause communication issues..

Just stuff to think about.. and timber how much ammo costs.

Hmm.... very well put..... thank you, sir.. i appreciate your insite....

.... "a game of misses", i like this statement....