Rifle Scopes Vortex Razor 1-6 Max engagement

[trob_205]

Up in the air of whether I want a 1-6 razor or a 3-15 PST Gen 2 on a 16” WOA barreled Recce/SPR rifle. I know the 3-15 is more than capable of 600-700 as long as I am. I’d like to see what other people’s experiences are at distance with the 1-6. I feel the reticle is a little thick for what I want. I really don’t do any shooting with carbines and pistols like I used to and it’s not what I’m into anymore, but feel that it’s my only AR and that it should be more “practical”.

 

[padom]

I've had zero issues hitting 8" steel at 800 eith my 16" Recce with my 1-6 Razor and MK4 MR/T 1.5-5 CM-R2. You arent shooting tiny groups but if hits are what you're after they are g2g

 

[502Chevelle]

Those scopes are so different that I’m not sure why you’re having a hard time choosing between them.

 

[trob_205]

Those scopes are so different that I’m not sure why you’re having a hard time choosing between them.

Brain vs Heart lol. Ive always said the 1-6 is the option if I only have one AR. Would probably get pulled out more if it had a 3-15. Farthest I can shoot out on a normal trip is 500-700 depending on the time of year and the property so if I can see people experience with the 1-6 it might help me be more clear minded... I’m not saying it makes any sense on one vs other. Just looking to see people’s number.

 

[Burdy]

Save the 3-15 for something else. Put the 1-6 on your SPR

 

[hlee]

Practical? Define "practical." Sitting in a safe because it has a scope on it that I won't take to the range isn't practical, to me. 700 yard engagements on meat targets is also not practical, to me. A red dot is probably the most practical for any time you will NEED to put rounds on target (home defense, etc). But I'm not into turning money into noise, so mag dumps at the range with a carbine are also not practical, to me. I'd put the scope on the rifle that would give it the best chance to be in the truck on every range outing. Put some buis on the rifle and use a quality QD mount for the optic if you want practical, to me...

 

[Dustysa4]

I put a Viper PST 1-6 on an AR carbine, and an SWFA 3-15 on an AR rifle. My thinking was I'd use the 1-6 for hogs, home protection, and possibly 3-gun/carbine matches. The reality is that I take the rifle out at least 10 times as often as the carbine. The Vortex 1-6's are awesome, and I'm glad I own it. It's just not the setup I prefer to spend my free time behind. So... Get both! ?

Check out SuperSetCA's YouTube video on the Razor 1-6 if you haven't already. He does a decent job showing the Razor in use on some short to medium range targets.

 

[Steel head]

I have a SPR build that often has a 1X4 SWFA on it and it’s not overly difficult to hit torso sized targets at 500+

 

[wade2big]

I have a SPR build that often has a 1X4 SWFA on it and it’s not overly difficult to hit torso sized targets at 500+

I agree. If you can see the target you can hit it.

A brightly painted full size silhouette can be hit with an Ar15 with 62 grain factory ammo and a red dot fairly easily. Bring it in a hundred yards and take the paint off leaving bare steel against a like colored background and it can be tough. This is where magnification comes into play.

 

[trob_205]

I agree. If you can see the target you can hit it.

A brightly painted full size silhouette can be hit with an Ar15 with 62 grain factory ammo and a red dot fairly easily. Bring it in a hundred yards and take the paint off leaving bare steel against a like colored background and it can be tough. This is where magnification comes into play.

Very true. I got one buddy that loves to paint his shit bright orange. And actually now that I remember all we have for steel is IPSC C zone with A zone head. So it’s not like fat bastard is mounted up on a post. I loved a 2.5-10 I used to have and maybe that’s the good in between too.

 

[spife7980]

For full size ipsc that’s not the hardest thing in the world at 500 but the smaller part is the problem. What’s smaller? Six inch plate? More magnification.

 

[TonyTheTiger]

I have a 10" and 6" plate at 500yds that I shoot all the time with a 1-6x. When freshly painted both are easy. When completely paintless and gray the 6" is very difficult to see, 10" isn't bad.
The kicker is when the grass gets tall on the little berm behind them. Spotting misses is not a thing.

I think a full size IPSC without paint would be almost too easy.

 

[bschneiderheinze]

Like everyone else on here I’m good to 2000 yards with 6 power and can spot my impacts. I would say keep it to 600-700 or less without someone spotting you in wind even at that distance it’s going to be hard in most conditions to spot your misses.

 

[pineoak]

What we've learned is that if you're engaged with an enemy that uses a Vortex Razor 1-6... stay in between 200-300 yards.


Get the PST Gen 2 3-15x. "Practical" is likely within the longest length of the interior of your home, 3x with a lit reticle should be fine. How often will you be using it in that manner?

What good is keeping an optic on a rifle for "emergencies" instead of one that can be used at the range for what you really like to do? Not as optimal, but definitely doable.

The 1-6x is an awesome high clarity red dot with magnification that requires a cheek weld. (I owned one and a PST Gen 2 version as well)

The 3-15x is a flexible tool that will allow you to reach out to the limits of your 5.56. It'll be more pleasurable to use, and may get used far more often. You can always move the 3-15x onto another bolt gun and run irons for HD.

6x may be enough magnification for most people at distance, but it sucks for anything past 400 IMO. My eyes aren't as good as they used to be. The Razor glass on the 1-6x is really good, but 6x is still 6x.

Can you hit an IPSC target at distance? Absolutely. (listen for the "tink")

Will you spot your misses at 500 yards or further with 6x? Probably not.
(eagle eyed members with 20/5 vision will disagree)

 

[Primus]

With quality ammo, barrel and shooter you can make reliable hits to 800 assuming weather cooperates with a 6x and 5.56. At altitude it's easier. This assumes a good base/rest. Take any of those away and you are wasting ammo most likely.