I am looking into getting a rifle from Tactical Operations and I wanted to know if anyone could tell me how much they enjoy theirs, if the fit and finish is as good as everyone says it is, and if they really do shoot as well as i have read they do. I know they are very expensive and the wait time is long but I want to know if it truly is a once in a lifetime purchase.
Looking into getting a TacOps rifle do they stand up to all the hype?
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Yes,
In fact, we had one in class this past weekend and it lived up to all the hype.
The only thing is, be prepared to wait for it, as they don't happen overnight, patience is a key virtue.
If you are an instant gratification guy, find a used one here or see if Mike still has that Tango 51 he finished
In fact, we had one in class this past weekend and it lived up to all the hype.
The only thing is, be prepared to wait for it, as they don't happen overnight, patience is a key virtue.
If you are an instant gratification guy, find a used one here or see if Mike still has that Tango 51 he finished
Just don't try to order one with an Impact action.
I would get an AI all day every day.
There's a new AX for $5800. Could buy it , a premium 65 barrel and a great scope for $8000
There's a new AX for $5800. Could buy it , a premium 65 barrel and a great scope for $8000
Perhaps the OP doesn't want an AI.
There's reasons why I own a TacOps and not an AI. But I also didn't pay $8000 for my TacOps.
Yeah. For $8000 I should be able to hop on it and drive it to the range as well as shoot it when I get there.
i would honestly be happy with either an AI or a TacOps both are very high end rifles but in my eyes the TacOps is a little less flashy and more along the lines of what I'm looking for. Don't get me wrong If i came across a good enough deal on the right AI model i might be very tempted to get the AI.
there are a few threads about this on here as you can imagine
i have a sierra
if you appreciate what they offer, then yes they are well worth it
if you just want a really accurate 308 you might be better served somewhere else
and yes i have or had almost all the other "cool" rifles
i have a sierra
if you appreciate what they offer, then yes they are well worth it
if you just want a really accurate 308 you might be better served somewhere else
and yes i have or had almost all the other "cool" rifles
I do really appreciate what they offer but I do want a really accurate 308 so i feel like I'm in a pickle
It may also depend on the deal you find.
The one TacOps I regret not buying was a lightly used one in the $5k range as I recall.
The one TacOps I regret not buying was a lightly used one in the $5k range as I recall.
Really accurate (and cheap) .308s :
Eurooptic has new 22" DTA .308s for $2600 if you like the bull pup. They are really accurate also and can easily convert from 223-338 lapua and many cartridges in between.
Eurooptic has new 22" DTA .308s for $2600 if you like the bull pup. They are really accurate also and can easily convert from 223-338 lapua and many cartridges in between.
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This begs the question; if it truly has never been fired, then how does one know that it “shoots one hole”?
Asking for a friend.
Really accurate can be a bit of a toss up between a good AI and a good TacOps
Most likely TacOps would have the edge if you can shoot well enough to notice the difference.
Part of it is matching the bullet to the barrel and rifle & then not messing with it.
The TacOps rifles are often built around a specific factory bullet commonly used by LE and are designed to shoot that as perfectly as possible
(Usually basically same hole accuracy).
It's also the style of stock / rifle may make a big difference in your choice.
AI is well AI and you either love it or tough, you get what you get for stock and triggers
unsolicited advice but :
If you are newish to precision shooting I would try and get behind a few rifles and see which style stock you like the best. Then I would find a rifle in the for sale section I like (there are a bunch of deals right now). Then I would study the online training here and get a bunch of ammo and go to town shooting and learning.
This advice may not apply to you.
BTW if I didnt already have a GAP 308 I would buy one of those I listed. I'm still tempted to buy one of those lol
And LOL @ rifles with user changeable barrels not being as accurate as Remington 700 era tech. There's a pile of AIs and DTs and others that say different. Put some customized hand loads in any rifle and the accuracy will be greatly improved. Tacops does the same thing but in reverse.
If you are newish to precision shooting I would try and get behind a few rifles and see which style stock you like the best. Then I would find a rifle in the for sale section I like (there are a bunch of deals right now). Then I would study the online training here and get a bunch of ammo and go to town shooting and learning.
This advice may not apply to you.
BTW if I didnt already have a GAP 308 I would buy one of those I listed. I'm still tempted to buy one of those lol
And LOL @ rifles with user changeable barrels not being as accurate as Remington 700 era tech. There's a pile of AIs and DTs and others that say different. Put some customized hand loads in any rifle and the accuracy will be greatly improved. Tacops does the same thing but in reverse.
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If you want a really accurate rifle don't get an AI. Accurate yes but they arnt in the same ballpark as a TacOps or a custom. The fan boys are gonna hammer me but it is what it is (there are obviously exceptions but Ive shot and seen too many to be impressed). I also think AI's are grossly overpriced and even tho they can be made to the same standards as a full custom accuracy wise if a smith gets his hands on it, their draw is the ability to just order barrels and screw them on in high demand and being bomb proof. I don't see how you can get the accuracy of a screw on barrel to get close to that of a hand machined barrel/action custom.
GL
DT
Same as an impact pre-fit barrel. The only difference is one is torqued on and one isn’t.
There’s benchrest records that were set with hand tight barrels.
Not that I disagree that an AI might not be as accurate as a highly detailed custom build. But your logic behind why being the barrel interface is flawed.
my other option is to buy either a krueger or bartlein barrel and send my remington 700 off and have it trued/blueprinted and skim bedded into the HS precision stock it came with. Or I can sell the HS precision stock and factory barrel put that towards a better stock and make the build better.
Crack smoker ...
An AI is every bit as accurate as any custom out there...
I can post image after image of sub-3/8th inch groups with factory ammo out of a AI
Saying you don't see, implies you never tried... stupid f'ing comment
I am new to precision rifle shooting. The Remington 700 5R I'm running currently is the most "precision" oriented bolt action I have owned beside a Ruger American Predator in 6.5CM I used to own. My Ruger Had a Magpul stock on it and I found that very comfortable. I have shot RPRs but all of them had factory stocks on them and I found that made them uncomfortable. My remington is comfortable but I need to buy a Kydex cheek riser for the stock. I have a TacOps stock pad with some old socks stuffed under it to get the height just right for now. I defiantly want to play around with more chassis rifles but I would love to build a rifle around a Manners stock.
not trying to be a jerk;
but it sounds like you have some cash to spend and got the hots for a accurate rifle
you should make a list of attributes you believe you would like
do a little more research, and revisit the list
i might have missed it but is there a reason you want a 308
there are other factory cartridges that will out shoot it group wise and hunting wise
all with factory offerings
and all of this doesnt matter if you will handload one day, or do already
but it sounds like you have some cash to spend and got the hots for a accurate rifle
you should make a list of attributes you believe you would like
do a little more research, and revisit the list
i might have missed it but is there a reason you want a 308
there are other factory cartridges that will out shoot it group wise and hunting wise
all with factory offerings
and all of this doesnt matter if you will handload one day, or do already
At the moment I am looking at and trying to gather as much feed back and information on a particular rifle as I can. I am looking for a specific rifle to save up for. I do not have to money to purchase a TacOps or an AI right now. I have chosen to go with 308 because I want to start shooting F Class T/R devision and it's limited to .223 or .308.
This is like the US car vs Japanese car argument from the 80s being applied now.
Want to know who had top end, super customer, high spec, low tolerance wonderguns in every caliber I shot? I did.
Want to know what replaced them all, at a fraction of a cost yet having the same accuracy and overall outcome as all those fancy custom rifles, while using the exact same trigger/chassis and optic? A non custom Barrett MRAD.
Custom guns used to be the way you had to go to (mostly) ensure you weren't going to have a problem or a 2MOA gun or whatever. Now? Not so much.
Hi,
Can you please advise us as to what rifles have not met your standards?
Can you please advise us as to what about those rifles that did not meet your standards?
Sincerely,
Theis
I thought one of the US team FTR shooters had a TacOps built for them as a comp gun?
Perhaps @MikeRTacOps can confirm
Winner of the dummest comment I’ve read on snipers hide, ever.
From what I remember, the particular FTR US national team shooter was also named Mike and was behind a once popular tactical precision rifle sling brand. At one point he was a detractor of TacOps, then came around and had a rifle, or a few built for him, one was supposed to be his comp gun.
Agreed. Mike is easy to talk to, and has a tendency to make people's wallets lighter haha
Not for nothing, but if your admittedly new to precision shooting perhaps a well taught class or two and a Tikka CTR or even a “budget” custom might be a better financial choice then a boutique precision rifle that will be in excess of 6k before you even add scope/bipod/ammo.
He doesn’t know what he wants and doesn’t have the funds. Reread the posts short-bus
I’ll just leave this right here I guess...
He’s gone from TacOps to AI to rebarreling his R700 in the same thread. Enjoy ??
He’s gone from TacOps to AI to rebarreling his R700 in the same thread. Enjoy ??
lol. Don't mention other options. Might put things out of equilibrium
I am the former US FTR Team Member who had TacOps build me a sniper rifle. It was not meant forF Class as I used to be a police sniper and taught many snipers as well. F TR came later when I was too beat up to do the sniper thing
It all started over guys saying a .25 mom rifle could not be built for factory ammo. I did not know TacOps before that. Mike Resignio asked me to TxE one. He then built one for me. At that time he and I did not really know each other and had trust issues so he had another TacOps owner watch me TxE the rifle. It was every bit as accurate as he claimed with Federal 168 and 175 grain ammo. .25 mom at 100 yards was done time and time again. Understand this 100 yards is shooter,rifle and ammo. Federal Match is capable of this accuracy at 100-200 yards but because no factory ammo has velocity spreads small enough to shoot groups that small at 1000 yards
I also tested the TacOps at 1000 yards with my best built handloads designed for its chamber and barrel length It was a great shooter there as well but no rifle can be the most accurate with factory ammo for sniping and compete with rifles chambered to launch the current FTR loads of 200 grain Berger’s near 2700 FPS. That requires a special chamber and very long throats. Way too long and hot to be really considered a 308. In F TR 28-32” barrels rule
The TacOps is a great rifle with fit and finish second to no one. It is a .25 mom rifle
I am sure they could build a top level F TR rifle but it would no longer be a great sniper rifle with factory ammo. These are different creatures
With all this said there are many great rifle makers listed here. My last F TR Team rifle, which required a Non factory barrel because of team rules was barreled by GAP. That is a Savage F TR action, McMillan X it Stock, will shoot far better than I can anymore. GAP knows F TR rifles inside and out and before I shot for Savage I won a ton of matches with GAP built rifles
So in the end decide what you want. Sniper or FTR Rifle. The days of being competitive in F TR with sniper rifles are gone
Mike Resignio will build you a great rifle. If I was back as a police sniper I would use his rifle because I know it will put a round where I want it every single time
It all started over guys saying a .25 mom rifle could not be built for factory ammo. I did not know TacOps before that. Mike Resignio asked me to TxE one. He then built one for me. At that time he and I did not really know each other and had trust issues so he had another TacOps owner watch me TxE the rifle. It was every bit as accurate as he claimed with Federal 168 and 175 grain ammo. .25 mom at 100 yards was done time and time again. Understand this 100 yards is shooter,rifle and ammo. Federal Match is capable of this accuracy at 100-200 yards but because no factory ammo has velocity spreads small enough to shoot groups that small at 1000 yards
I also tested the TacOps at 1000 yards with my best built handloads designed for its chamber and barrel length It was a great shooter there as well but no rifle can be the most accurate with factory ammo for sniping and compete with rifles chambered to launch the current FTR loads of 200 grain Berger’s near 2700 FPS. That requires a special chamber and very long throats. Way too long and hot to be really considered a 308. In F TR 28-32” barrels rule
The TacOps is a great rifle with fit and finish second to no one. It is a .25 mom rifle
I am sure they could build a top level F TR rifle but it would no longer be a great sniper rifle with factory ammo. These are different creatures
With all this said there are many great rifle makers listed here. My last F TR Team rifle, which required a Non factory barrel because of team rules was barreled by GAP. That is a Savage F TR action, McMillan X it Stock, will shoot far better than I can anymore. GAP knows F TR rifles inside and out and before I shot for Savage I won a ton of matches with GAP built rifles
So in the end decide what you want. Sniper or FTR Rifle. The days of being competitive in F TR with sniper rifles are gone
Mike Resignio will build you a great rifle. If I was back as a police sniper I would use his rifle because I know it will put a round where I want it every single time
I've never shot one, but I was at a class where 2 brothers each had a Tac-ops rifle.
Most beautiful rem 700's I have ever seen.
Most beautiful rem 700's I have ever seen.
Thanks Mike, good to see you post. Looks like I had some of my facts twisted up, thanks for clarifying that. Obviously I don't know much about FTR shooting, haha.
I own an XRay 51, and I think it's a work of art. It was the first precision rifle I bought, purchased it when I graduated college and got a good job. I lusted after a TacOps rifle for the longest time, to me, they are the pinnacle of an LE styled rifle. While it took a while to get, it was absolutely worth the wait.
Everything that is said about TacOps rifles is true, and I can't imagine ever selling mine.
Good luck on your decision OP.
That is sexy! I also have a X-ray 51, love the NV bridge on yours.
I talked with Mike today, and I'm getting a TacOps titanium suppressor to accompany my x-ray. To say I'm excited is an understatement.
