Bergara HMR pro criticisms

[9mmrandy]

Just got myself a HMR pro in 6.5


Any reason why Bergara would paint the bedding blocks/interior of the stock?
All I can figure is laziness, it would take seconds to mask it off.

The speckled paint causes the receiver to rock due to being uneven and it was so thick that the front action screw was in just under a thread and a half causing it to pull the threads when they assembled it.

Also the recoil lug channel/recess is so sloppy it’s pretty much not offering any support fore and aft.

Not sure what I was expecting but I didn’t think I was buying a project.

 

[Cayenne6]

At least your barrel came screwed all the way in.......?

 

[9mmrandy]

At least your barrel came screwed all the way in.......?

It appears it is but I better check it. lol

 

[Cayenne6]

It appears it is but I better check it. lol

I personally know 2 FFLs that received a pro this year where the barrel wasn’t even tight. They happened within a month of each other so I’m not sure what was happening at the factory. I’ve only had hands on experience with the regular HMRs. I do agree that for the money a pro cost they should have sprung for the masking tape and extra 30 seconds of labor.

 

[benchmstr]

Man, unless it says accuracy international on it I just can’t see myself buying a factory rifle these days. Does anyone believe in quality control anymore?!!!?

bench

 

[Milf Dots]

Disappointing, especially considering Bergara is only one of a few factory rifles that we think of as better than the average quality.

 

[b6graham]

Man, unless it says accuracy international on it I just can’t see myself buying a factory rifle these days. Does anyone believe in quality control anymore?!!!?

bench

theis is changing that

 

[ffjoey]

Man, that stinks. I’m a big Bergara fan but mine are 2017 models. I have a Premier LRP Elite and a B14 hunter. The LRP is easy sub 1/3 MOA the B14 well under MOA. My brother in law recently purchased a Highlander and the first one he received was a bit of a mess. Failed to fire repeatedly several brands of ammo and the accuracy was not up to snuff at all, about 2 1/2 MOA. Now, Bergara took it back and he had another in his hands in under a week, which was great customer service, but it was disappointing none the less. The second one seems trouble free. Makes me wonder if production has gotten to the point that the QC is lagging behind.

 

[benchmstr]

theis is changing that

So is badrock.

Bench

 

[Steel+Killer]

Man, unless it says accuracy international on it I just can’t see myself buying a factory rifle these days. Does anyone believe in quality control anymore?!!!?

bench

Tikka and Ruger have done me pretty well as of late.

 

[W54/XM-388]

Man, unless it says accuracy international on it I just can’t see myself buying a factory rifle these days. Does anyone believe in quality control anymore?!!!?

bench

I have high hopes that @THEIS and his Hoplite Rifles may set a new standard for quality control and customer service in the factory rifles business.

 

[HMRamateur]

Too big, too fast. I love my HMR pro, but it's disappointing to hear these problems, nonetheless

 

[Faronth]

I had a somewhat similar issue with my B14 HMR .300WM. During the initial range trips I thought the scope mount had worked loose. Upon getting home and looking it over it was the screws though the bottom metal that were loose. when I took it apart the paint had rubbed off around the screw holes from firing and strangest of all there was a puddle of oil around each screw hole.
After cleaning everything up and torquing the screws that one time I have never had a problem again.
I do like my HMR. It was purchased early this year. Just wrote it off as one of those things.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

I make it a policy to not get into threads and discuss other manufacturers direct issues and what the industry is doing but I like to get those kind of thread replies more "generic" so here goes.

FIRST issue is the industry as whole operates unlike any other industry on this planet!! The things manufacturers, dealers, etc are basically "allowed" to do and the customer be ok with it is beyond belief at times.

SECOND issue is that for some reason the consumers of this industry feel that if it takes x amount of time to get z product then it is superior to y product that only has half the wait time.

THIRD issue is that for some reason; both the manufacturers and the consumers have some how gotten into the frame of mind that it is ok for a bad product to hit the market as long as the manufacturer will take care of it appropriately after the fact.

I personally have intentionally made the Hoplite Arms thread here on SH as transparent in regards to the what, how, why, why not, etc etc as I possible can because the industry needs to be shown that it can change and the consumers need to be shown that their journey to purchase a product should be just as good as the actual product.

We have gotten so accustomed to purchasing stuff without EVER speaking or direct email communications with an actual person that it has removed the sense of pride and accomplishment from the manufacturers. Hoplite Arms will never have an online purchase/checkout program as I want my people to communicate direct with the users of our products via email, phone call, text, etc etc.

Enough about that, lol....feel free to view the Hoplite Arms thread to see just how open I have been about pretty much everything.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[W54/XM-388]

Hi,
Hoplite Arms will never have an online purchase/checkout program as I want my people to communicate direct with the users of our products via email, phone call, text, etc etc.

Sincerely,
Theis

A manufacturer actually wanting to talk to customers!

Such a nice change, most try their best not to have to deal with the hoi poi directly.

In our company where we sell custom configured servers, we try hard to get customers to call & email, so we can go over all their needs & use cases, then provide detailed technical estimates before they approve the purchase, as it really helps cut down on problems & people ordering the wrong thing.

Unfortunately there are a lot of shameless price whores who only care about a low headlining price & then get upset later that it's not what or doesn't have all they need.

 

[lonegunman762x51]

I just picked up an HMR-14, left handed, 300 Win Mag two weeks ago. Everything is as it should be, trigger is just under 2.5 lbs, a quick check for torque values on stock screws, mounted a Leopold 6.5 to 20x LR scope with Warne rings and bases and off to the range for break in. Did the factory recommended break in and got a 1.7" five shot group at 200yds with a Berger 185gr commercial load.

Swapped rinds for a slightly better set and went back to the range, shot 100yds because it was raining and the 100 has cover. After getting dialed in, a had a 3 shot .327" group with my pet loaded 190 gr Sierra Matchking. I fired a 10 shot group that measured 1.45" if you included the one low shot I dropped, it was .83" inches without the low shot.

The barrel did not come unscrewed, no paint issues or problems with workmanship. I do think the adjustable check piece is a little weak, but it does work.

My results with this rifle are positive. I don't doubt other people have issues, but so far the three people I know that own Bergara rifles love them.

 

[rookie7]

Hi,

I make it a policy to not get into threads and discuss other manufacturers direct issues and what the industry is doing but I like to get those kind of thread replies more "generic" so here goes.

FIRST issue is the industry as whole operates unlike any other industry on this planet!! The things manufacturers, dealers, etc are basically "allowed" to do and the customer be ok with it is beyond belief at times.

SECOND issue is that for some reason the consumers of this industry feel that if it takes x amount of time to get z product then it is superior to y product that only has half the wait time.

THIRD issue is that for some reason; both the manufacturers and the consumers have some how gotten into the frame of mind that it is ok for a bad product to hit the market as long as the manufacturer will take care of it appropriately after the fact.

I personally have intentionally made the Hoplite Arms thread here on SH as transparent in regards to the what, how, why, why not, etc etc as I possible can because the industry needs to be shown that it can change and the consumers need to be shown that their journey to purchase a product should be just as good as the actual product.

We have gotten so accustomed to purchasing stuff without EVER speaking or direct email communications with an actual person that it has removed the sense of pride and accomplishment from the manufacturers. Hoplite Arms will never have an online purchase/checkout program as I want my people to communicate direct with the users of our products via email, phone call, text, etc etc.

Enough about that, lol....feel free to view the Hoplite Arms thread to see just how open I have been about pretty much everything.

Sincerely,
Theis

Hello,

What price window will you be marketing your rifles? Thank you

 

[ffjoey]

Man, that stinks. I’m a big Bergara fan but mine are 2017 models. I have a Premier LRP Elite and a B14 hunter. The LRP is easy sub 1/3 MOA the B14 well under MOA. My brother in law recently purchased a Highlander and the first one he received was a bit of a mess. Failed to fire repeatedly several brands of ammo and the accuracy was not up to snuff at all, about 2 1/2 MOA. Now, Bergara took it back and he had another in his hands in under a week, which was great customer service, but it was disappointing none the less. The second one seems trouble free. Makes me wonder if production has gotten to the point that the QC is lagging behind.

To be extremely clear, I am a HUGE FAN of Bergara, HUGE FAN. The story I relayed about my brother in law was a sample size of one. My two rifles are outstanding, but my brother in laws first one was not at all. That, along with them no longer proof firing every Premier rifle any more kind of made me wonder.

 

[THEIS]

Hello,

What price window will you be marketing your rifles? Thank you

Hi,

We are going to be in-line with AI and the other top of line production weapon systems.

Sincerely,
Theis

 

[want2learn]

I hope this question isn't too naive and it is absolutely not meant to be disparaging just trying to better understand these tools and their application.

Do rifles such as these tend more toward the spectrum of durability and reliability or to benchrest precision...or perhaps both?

thank you

 

[ffjoey]

I hope this question isn't too naive and it is absolutely not meant to be disparaging just trying to better understand these tools and their application.

Do rifles such as these tend more toward the spectrum of durability and reliability or to benchrest precision...or perhaps both?

thank you

Is this question directed towards Theis or are you asking about Bergara?

 

[want2learn]

Sorry...i should have clarified, i was hoping to hear Mr. Theis' thoughts.

I doubt i'll ever be able to afford a rifle such as this and i do understand that I'll never be a competitive athlete, relegated to trying to learn the science and physics of the sport while hoping to shoot little groups at our local range.

I'm intrigued by the quality and craftsmanship that goes into making and designing these rifles. I find them very attractive at least academically, an effort similar to that noted when studying premier sports cars or other finely crafted metal works.

I find it all so fascinating and wonder at the end of the day...to what end? Is it to handle the rigors of a warrior or biased to accuracy and precision. There must be a balance, a scale...just trying to figure out where they place.

 

[Rocketmandb]

I had an HMR Pro in 6 CM - sold it when I got my 6mm BRA.

Notes on my ex-rifle:

- I had a minor issue when I received it: the extractor pin was too tight and caused extractor marks on the brass. I sent it back to them and it was fixed in about a month. A little bit of a pain, but, nothing major.

- The rifle shot very nicely - typically in the .4 MOA range

- Overall, I found the quality to be excellent.

- Loved the trigger on the Pro.

- The action was smooth to cycle - again, excellent quality.

I recommend this rifle to people who want something in the ~$1200-$1500 price range. I had a good experience as a whole.

 

[THEIS]

Hi,

@want2learn
Please be advised that I have replied to your questions/comments but done so in the Hoplite Arms thread as I just think it is bad taste for a company to dive too far off about their products in another companies thread.

Sincerely,
Theis