Interesting read for states where Gun trade is "Non essential".

[pmclaine]

Massachusetts Rino gov has declared the gun trade non essential basically stripping citizens of their 2A rights.

Oddly despite the lock down order, the states logic on this is that the People can travel out of state to exercise their rights.

I can attest to you as a victim this is untrue as having purchased a sweet Smith and Wesson handgun out of the PX - handguns requiring FFLs in state to state transactions - I am prevented from accessing my firearm because the in state FFLs are prohibited from doing transfers.

Any way the state was in court on 4 May trying to defend their position and it seems the judge is not having it.

Mass. Pressed For Rationale For COVID-19 Gun Shop Ban - Law360

A Massachusetts federal judge on Monday laid into attorneys for Gov. Charlie Baker for offering "concerted silence" about why the state closed gun stores during the COVID-19 outbreak while allowing liquor stores and other retailers without constitutional underpinnings to remain open.

www.law360.com

 

[Rthur]

Massachusetts Rino gov has declared the gun trade non essential basically stripping citizens of their 2A rights.

Oddly despite the lock down order, the states logic on this is that the People can travel out of state to exercise their rights.

I can attest to you as a victim this is untrue as having purchased a sweet Smith and Wesson handgun out of the PX - handguns requiring FFLs in state to state transactions - I am prevented from accessing my firearm because the in state FFLs are prohibited from doing transfers.

Any way the state was in court on 4 May trying to defend their position and it seems the judge is not having it.

Mass. Pressed For Rationale For COVID-19 Gun Shop Ban - Law360

A Massachusetts federal judge on Monday laid into attorneys for Gov. Charlie Baker for offering "concerted silence" about why the state closed gun stores during the COVID-19 outbreak while allowing liquor stores and other retailers without constitutional underpinnings to remain open.

www.law360.com

While a victory, albeit prolonged, why aren't those who would push their unlawful edicts
required to run it through a court instead of fixing/retracting their latest effort of bullshit after
the fact?

R

 

[pmclaine]

While a victory, albeit prolonged, why aren't those who would push their unlawful edicts
required to run it through a court instead of fixing/retracting their latest effort of bullshit after
the fact?

R

More so why are they not personally/financially accountable for such a blatant violation.

Police officers are held personally accountable for civil rights violations and often their acts are not committed with malice aforethought such as this was.

 

[Rthur]

More so why are they not personally/financially accountable for such a blatant violation.

Police officers are held personally accountable for civil rights violations and often their acts are not committed with malice aforethought such as this was.

Like petulant children they figure out fast they aren't held to any account.
Their predecessors made the laws to be sure of this.

R

 

[DustBun]

The problem is that by the time all the legal crap is through, this terrible pandemic (sarcasm), will be over and they will walk away with no accountability, and they knew it would work out this way. Like she said "Kobick repeated throughout the hearing that the closures should be upheld and are narrowly tailored because they are set to end May 18."
(What she is really saying is What the heck judge, the closure is going to end in a week or so anyway so just let it ride. We already screwed the people for a month and we got away with it.)

Quotes that pissed me off:

Julia Kobick said bold moves were needed to stop the virus in its tracks and save lives, and argued the burden on the Second Amendment is light because citizens can still acquire guns through private sales and buy ammunition at Walmart.
My response: I thought they wanted to get rid of private gun sales?

The availability of ammunition is a major issue as well, according to Judge Woodlock, who explained, "If you're shooting blanks, you don't have Second Amendment rights."
My response: WTF does that mean?!?!

Kobick responded. "Many of the plaintiffs live near state borders. They can always go to dealers in New Hampshire."
My response: What about the ones that don't live close? If they can't stop it, .Gov's just making it more difficult for people.

 

[pmclaine]

The problem is that by the time all the legal crap is through, this terrible pandemic (sarcasm), will be over and they will walk away with no accountability, and they knew it would work out this way. Like she said "Kobick repeated throughout the hearing that the closures should be upheld and are narrowly tailored because they are set to end May 18."
(What she is really saying is What the heck judge, the closure is going to end in a week or so anyway so just let it ride. We already screwed the people for a month and we got away with it.)

Quotes that pissed me off:

Julia Kobick said bold moves were needed to stop the virus in its tracks and save lives, and argued the burden on the Second Amendment is light because citizens can still acquire guns through private sales and buy ammunition at Walmart.
My response: I thought they wanted to get rid of private gun sales?

The availability of ammunition is a major issue as well, according to Judge Woodlock, who explained, "If you're shooting blanks, you don't have Second Amendment rights."
My response: WTF does that mean?!?!

Kobick responded. "Many of the plaintiffs live near state borders. They can always go to dealers in New Hampshire."
My response: What about the ones that don't live close? If they can't stop it, .Gov's just making it more difficult for people.

The judges comments about blanks is a good one. What he is saying is banning ammunition is a denial of 2A rights. Often the left says "okay we cnt ban guns so lets ban ammo". The judges acknowledges a gun without ammo is not a gun.

The other two arguments are false as often border states wont sell MA residents ammunition that is hand gun specific and they can not sell handguns period. Its acknowledged handguns are the most prolific firearm for personal defense so denying accesses is a big denial of rights.

When this shit started the AG made a comment about the ban basically that it was good to have otherwise the police would have to worry about being shot in this time of the pandemic - nice blanket condemnation of gun owners by her.

 

[Maggot]

Can anybody spell "Control"?

 

[pmclaine]

Can anybody spell "Control"?

Its usually lower case unless at the beginning of a sentence but you got it right........

 

[Maggot]

Its usually lower case unless at the beginning of a sentence but you got it right........

It is the beginning of the sentence with the subject/noun, implied. Such as in "Control, is what the gub'mint desires."

 

[Maggot]

It is the beginning of the sentence with the subject/noun, implied. Such as in "Control, is what the gub'mint desires demands."

Fixed it for me.

 

[kthomas]

That's pretty fucked up.

So their argument is "hey, you can practice your rights, just not here".

I'm not sure how this shit is even allowed to happen.

 

[pmclaine]

That's pretty fucked up.

So their argument is "hey, you can practice your rights, just not here".

I'm not sure how this shit is even allowed to happen.

MA doesnt allow cans.

Im guessing if I go buy one in NH now Im good to go.

 

[pmclaine]

Gunshop closure found to be Unconstitutional.

Gun shops open tomorrow.

Ill be picking up my S&W this Saturday.

Our Rino gov is having a bad day with his heavy handed measures.

 

[pmclaine]

BREAKING: Judge Issues Injunction Blocking Massachusetts Governor’s Order That Closed Gun Stores

https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/b...setts-governors-order-that-closed-gun-stores/

A U.S. District Court in Massachusetts has granted a preliminary injunction against Gov. Charlie Baker’s emergency order shutting down gun shops in the state in a case brought by the Second Amendment Foundation, Firearms Policy Coalition and Commonwealth Second Amendment, Inc.

.....but why isn't the NRA mentioned?

 

[308Gunner]

Because Wayne can’t get the cock out of his mouth to say something

 

[308pirate]

Gunshop closure found to be Unconstitutional.

Gun shops open tomorrow.

Ill be picking up my S&W this Saturday.

Our Rino gov is having a bad day with his heavy handed measures.

I'm glad for you guys. It must feel good to win a big one like that against a state that fucks you at every turn.

 

[DaveM]

In Mass, with that AG, is “cunt-rol”.

She’s fucking horrible, but the commies can’t vote for her fast enough.

 

[Doc68]

.....but why isn't the NRA mentioned?

I'm sure that's a bunch of sarcasm

 

[pmclaine]

My Highlights....


GOAL is very pleased with the decision from Judge Woodlock in the Massachusetts firearm retailer case McCarthy v. Baker. The Judge’s ruling was based on the fact that denying access to retailers is, in part, a violation of the Second Amendment. The Judge ruled that the retailers will be allowed to open on Saturday, May 9, 2020 at noon. The openings will be required to follow certain guidelines that will be spelled out in the written order to follow.

Upon issuing the decision, the State entered a motion to “stay” the decision pending appeal. That process could months, if not longer. The Judge denied the motion and ordered the retailers to be able to open on Saturday with conditions.

During today’s hearing, the Judge pressed the State for specific answers as to why retailers were removed from the essential list. The Judge said the State could not, or choose not to, provide an answer to the court why Baker listed ranges and retailers as essential and then suddenly removed them. It was then that the Judge strongly hinted that the action seems more about politics than health policy.

There were also several attempts by the Judge to get answers from the State as to why certain businesses are allowed to open, but not these. Especially in light of this has to do with civil rights. He actually stated at one point that we don’t give up our rights just because there is an emergency. He further pointed out that the closing of retailers was not violation on the level of coming to your homes and taking your guns, but at some level is indeed a violation.

GOAL will forward on the specifics of the opening conditions when they are provided.
The Judge did briefly discuss the range closure issue. He determined he was not familiar enough with range operations to make a speedy decision. At that point he separated the two issues and invited the parties to make additional filings if they wanted to pursue the range matter.

A big thank you to SAF, FPC, Comm2A and all the groups and individuals who participate in this rare Massachusetts court win. Also, a big thank you to our supporters for keeping us going during this time.

 

[deersniper]

80 percents are the solution to problems like this. Also why they want to ban them.

 

[deersniper]

Because Wayne can’t get the cock out of his mouth to say something

Would be funnier if he wasn’t spending NRA money on $10,000/day female European “interns”

 

[TACC]

.....but why isn't the NRA mentioned?

Because they dont have the organizational ability to get involved in petty stuff like this because they had to lay off so many people due to the Rona. (Sarcasm)

 

[Dewey7271]

Makes you glad to contribute to the Second Amendment Foundation. Those guys are on their game.

 

[deersniper]

^ don’t forget Gun Owners of Amerixa