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VALDADA G2 Recon NEW VADADA CONTENT
- Thread starter Michael W
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- Nov 3, 2010
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Is a twatapotamus a really really really really really big girl?
I'm still a little confused... he says this thread has so much misinformation so he must have read it. Then he says "That was a stronger reaction than I expected. I can see there is genuine hate here but am interested to know why." Did you read the thread or not @Olafson? If you did, your questions would be answered. If you haven't, go ahead and read through this 13 page abomination and your questions will be answered
Oh, thank God that you have opened our eyes to the wonder that is IOR.... If only I had known this previously I wouldn't have wasted my hard earned money on those S&B, TT, and other turds. What a revelation it is to know that IOR might be good in Europe but that their US rep is nothing but a worthless shill with dishonest marketing and unethical practices. Also a major enlightenment that the Gen2 is Japanese and must be absolutely amazing compared to everything else in the market because VAL says so.
If you had bothered to read this thread or any of the others concerning IOR Valdada in the last 5 years you would know that all of this has been beat to death and in the end none of us care because we like our money and want to use it wisely. There is absolutely no love for this manufacturer/rep combo. But I do have one question for you. IOR does make a spotting scope (Optolyth) and if their glass is so amazing, even discounting the mechanical issues of their riflescopes. Why is Swarovski the gold standard? Why do Leica, Zeiss, Kowa, etc sell the number of spotting scopes they do. Honestly I've no idea what the numbers are but I have yet to see the Optolyth in the wild and yet the Swaro is very prevalent amongst the most penny pinching of the shooting world...
Optolyth is owned by Sill Optics GMBH. No affiliation whatsoever with IOR. Just another of many brands Val has bought and re-sold in the US.
Sill Optics GmbH & Co. KG
Johann-Hoellfritsch-Str. 13
90530 Wendelstein
Germany
Not Romania.
I'm not saying they are good, nor am I saying they are bad. Just that some guys like to make shit up. No offense intended.
Sill Optics GmbH & Co. KG
Johann-Hoellfritsch-Str. 13
90530 Wendelstein
Germany
Not Romania.
I'm not saying they are good, nor am I saying they are bad. Just that some guys like to make shit up. No offense intended.
Optolyth is pretty decent although association with Val did not do them any favours in the US. I recently had a small monocular I bought from them fog up and the repair was through a different entity, not through Val. It took a while, but they fixed it pro bono despite it being out of warranty.
ILya
Valdada is kind of a poison pill in the US. European manufacturers would probably do well to avoid them when exporting.
Valdada also imports/imported for Docter/Jena. It's probably just a matter of time before their reputation takes a hit as a result.
What everybody's failing to say is the biggest problem with ior and Valdada is Val pissed off the wrong people and that is truly the reason his Optics get roasted on this site.
And you're failing to read the posts referencing tracking issues. What I've read in this thread alone is enough for me to know NOT to consider one and spend my money on other brands with more proven track records. Has nothing to do with me being pissed off at them.
But hey, keep trying to sell us on these.
But hey, keep trying to sell us on these.
Please don't stop this thread, the entertainment value is priceless! This is my first post on SH so I want to make sure that I am respectful to the community. I just HAD to get in on this and see if I could get some abuse! The attention given to the G2 here is unprecedented. Reading all the posts just makes me want to run out and buy a dada G2 Recon and perch it on my match grade Howa 1500 mini action in 7.62x39 complete with flexible POS plastic stock and rattling magazines that fall out when you look at them wrong! Of course I will be shooting fine steel cased Russian precision ammunition to compliment the entire system. Maybe I can get TR to perform some accuracy magic for me as well to further realize the capability of the G2! Since I am new to the site, please give me some pointers on how to offend everyone in the proper manner in order to get the maximum amount of criticism and stay up past midnight again tonight! All kidding aside, great site with invaluable information! Carry on!
Ok @Millrat1... Being respectful in the Pit is like being being gay dude in the motivational thread. So if you have opinions, let em fly.
As to your choice of precision rifle, I don't think the 7.62x39 is a good choice. It just doesn't carry the velocity past a few thousand yards. The gay tiger might be a better option. Or even the 30-06 if you're really wanting to stretch the legs of the Vablahblah scope.
As to your choice of precision rifle, I don't think the 7.62x39 is a good choice. It just doesn't carry the velocity past a few thousand yards. The gay tiger might be a better option. Or even the 30-06 if you're really wanting to stretch the legs of the Vablahblah scope.
As the originator of this post I would like to say welcome. Just remember that there is nothing wrong with being gay and I support your alternative lifestyle 100%
Val certainly fucked it up with Me, and this site, he ruined that show in a big way, I will never cut that guy any slack.
However if these scopes were salvageable and I am not saying they aren't, like we have done many times in the past you can work with a company and fix a problem. You can take the error data and determine, okay, 80% of our failures are this erector system or spring system and then swap it out, working with people who use the products often creates a much better product. But Val is forced to chase the C team, which has no clue how to make an optic successful in short order. Think about the programs and systems SH has been behind that took off, vs the ones we passed on.
But why waste our time, why waste the effort, there are more than enough quality scope companies out there without VAL that people can work with,
PS the Oplyths suck too, we had a good one down at Rifles Only and it could not handle the heat and mirage of south texas, it was unusable. The instructors used to race to not use that spotter, it was completely useless on that range. It was like reverse musical chairs, the last one to get the Oplyth was out. I understand the newer HD versions are supposed to be good, but the one we had was supposed to be good too, was terrible.
However if these scopes were salvageable and I am not saying they aren't, like we have done many times in the past you can work with a company and fix a problem. You can take the error data and determine, okay, 80% of our failures are this erector system or spring system and then swap it out, working with people who use the products often creates a much better product. But Val is forced to chase the C team, which has no clue how to make an optic successful in short order. Think about the programs and systems SH has been behind that took off, vs the ones we passed on.
But why waste our time, why waste the effort, there are more than enough quality scope companies out there without VAL that people can work with,
PS the Oplyths suck too, we had a good one down at Rifles Only and it could not handle the heat and mirage of south texas, it was unusable. The instructors used to race to not use that spotter, it was completely useless on that range. It was like reverse musical chairs, the last one to get the Oplyth was out. I understand the newer HD versions are supposed to be good, but the one we had was supposed to be good too, was terrible.
- Nov 3, 2010
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Pm between milrat and Michael w. Don’t ask me how it showed up in my inbox??
Summation.... Several to many people, with the experience, knowledge, skill set, that have tried these optics say don't bother because they are lacking in quality and dollar for dollar X,Y and Z are far superior.
But Mr. Know-it-all , actually several KIA's, puff up and say wait a minute. You don't know Jack.
Man, ya gotta love the WWW.
If the people saying don't bother were just some dudes on bar stools it would be different. But well know shooters from around the country? Sheesh.
But Mr. Know-it-all , actually several KIA's, puff up and say wait a minute. You don't know Jack.
Man, ya gotta love the WWW.
If the people saying don't bother were just some dudes on bar stools it would be different. But well know shooters from around the country? Sheesh.
Will the next defender of the IOR come on down. You're the next contestant on the Bear Pit.
What is funny is, the ones that call and talk to Val get all sorts of sad sack stories and then sucked into his hole to have their brains sucked out by the Romanian Vampire Legend
wheels start turning they think, sponsor- free scope, as the blood drains from their body, the empty husk rises, and all it remembers is it’s love for that scope
but in the end it’s an IOR, they whither and die
wheels start turning they think, sponsor- free scope, as the blood drains from their body, the empty husk rises, and all it remembers is it’s love for that scope
but in the end it’s an IOR, they whither and die
Back in the mid 90's a young guy on the hunting club spent a bunch of money on an IOR scope to replace the cheap Simmons 44Mag scope on his 270.
I dont remember him killing single deer the whole time he hunted with that IOR scope. He was for ever more missing/wounding/losing them. That thing never did hold zero worth a hoot.
Tail end of the season he re-mounted that cheap Simmons and went back to killing deer.
I dont remember him killing single deer the whole time he hunted with that IOR scope. He was for ever more missing/wounding/losing them. That thing never did hold zero worth a hoot.
Tail end of the season he re-mounted that cheap Simmons and went back to killing deer.
Yeah I hate it when I scope sucks. I think I've had a couple Leopold's that after thousand rounds you can pretty much throw them away.. I saw a guy at the range the other day using an Athlon Ares ETR with his 338 Lapua and The Recoil broke the scope it was brand new. I think we need a boycott Athlon now
Cause stupud hurts...
Cause some things you just can't fix, not even with duct tape...
You'd be better off to just cut your losses and move along. Nothing to see here.
For saying mean shit like that you are no longer allowed to be pivot man @ the next snipershide circle jerk.
I like using high level changes to clear my voter rolls,
You know make sure dead bodies are not still active, that includes trolls, vampires, zombies, and even at times, Witches
You know make sure dead bodies are not still active, that includes trolls, vampires, zombies, and even at times, Witches
LOL
why, I have a tool that is 10x more fun, I have no reason to speak to trolls privately
You think it's cool and funny to jump in and out trolling people, so if the shoe fits, wear it proudly,
You keep wanting the IOR threads alive, we don't, although they do give us hours of enjoyment our reasoning is different than yours and feel those steering people down a dead end should include a warning
why, I have a tool that is 10x more fun, I have no reason to speak to trolls privately
You think it's cool and funny to jump in and out trolling people, so if the shoe fits, wear it proudly,
You keep wanting the IOR threads alive, we don't, although they do give us hours of enjoyment our reasoning is different than yours and feel those steering people down a dead end should include a warning
I guess trolling could be called contributing
cause and effect should've ducked, instead of jumped up in the air waving your hands
cause and effect should've ducked, instead of jumped up in the air waving your hands
That's true I said that but you haven't been exactly nice to me either. But what you've done is the equivalent of a kid having a temper tantrum and taking his ball home so no one else could play with it.
And I do more than just contribute posts I am a supporter of your site.
And I do more than just contribute posts I am a supporter of your site.
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