We jacked a modern Russian SAM system

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Last summer, a secretive U.S. military flight to Libya spirited away one of Russia’s most modern air defense weapon systems. The U.S. Air Force flew the Pantsir S-1 surface-to-air missile system, which Libyan government forces captured, out of the country on a military transport flight for parts unknown.
 
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So, I guess PJ will have to have note cards to say "military" and "mission" - but I digress, we won't have any covert operation like this in the next 4 years.
 
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THEIS said:
Hi,

Going through 2020s pictures of the Russian Expo...they had the systems not only on static display but live exhibitions too, lol.

Also they sold them to the UAE, so could get everything USA needs of the systems from them.

Sincerely,
Theis
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I still can’t believe we just sold 50 F35’s to UAE
 
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lowlight said:
Last summer, a secretive U.S. military flight to Libya spirited away one of Russia’s most modern air defense weapon systems. The U.S. Air Force flew the Pantsir S-1 surface-to-air missile system, which Libyan government forces captured, out of the country on a military transport flight for parts unknown.
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Can you say “Dayton”... ?
True story: took the family to the Air Force Museum at Wright Pat a number of years ago. My wife’s cousin was a Captain serving with what is now NASIC at the time. After we spent a couple of days touring the museum he took us on a driving tour of the base. We were cruising down the tarmac in his family mini van, we turn a corner and run straight to a MIG 29, with another one in pieces-parts spread all over the pavement. “Oh... Yeah... we bought 12 of those from a Russian General looking to make a quick buck...” Me, eyes as big as saucers: “Can we stop and take a look...?” That was a big no... something about pavement, face down, and M16s... 🤣
 
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LastShot300 said:
www.timesofisrael.com

US suspends $23 billion sale of F-35s to UAE that followed Abraham Accords

Washington reviewing foreign arms sales made by Trump administration, including deal reached as part of Israel normalization, as well as accord with Saudi Arabia
www.timesofisrael.com www.timesofisrael.com
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Meh. Export variant.

That's why this SAM system was such a big deal. It was likely a RUSSIAN version, not a neutered export variant.

And yeah, it is probably at Wright-Pat by now, disassembled in a lot of different pieces.

In the cold war days, a lot of testing was done at WP on a lot of gear. Nuclear treaty verification teams came out of there...
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
There was this one time when the Soviet’s left two Hinds in the desert overnight...

Gone in 60 Seconds comes to mind...

Sirhr
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Or that one time they sold a fully armed Mig-23 to a couple US business men, who flew it into the US, not realizing they were breaking God knows how many laws...
 
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TacticalDillhole said:
I support terminating this sale. Any country that is friendly with Russia or China is a no go.
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Hi,

They are merely pausing that sale IMO.

Just look at how many Israeli companies will be exhibiting their products at IDEX in 3 weeks.
Along with how many Israeli Gov entourages will be "doing it up" in Dubai and Abu Dhabi the week before and week after the expo next month.
Along with how many millions and millions of tourism dollars are getting ready to flow back and forth to/from Israel and UAE.

Politicians are not going to do what is right at the risk of loosing money and kickbacks.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
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MarinePMI said:
Or that one time they sold a fully armed Mig-23 to a couple US business men, who flew it into the US, not realizing they were breaking God knows how many laws...
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If they got fighter jet money, then the laws probably don't apply to them. There is a red air company in Quincy, Illinois that flew Migs and SU-37's and some other jets.

Redirect Notice

www.google.com
 
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AFGWS said:
If they got fighter jet money, then the laws probably don't apply to them. There is a red air company in Quincy, Illinois that flew Migs and SU-37's and some other jets.

Redirect Notice

www.google.com
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Hi,

BS, court cases with DDTC prove that no amount of money makes you safe from ITAR and USML Sec 121 import violations, lol.

Companies like:
Blackwater
BAE Systems
L3
Boeing
Etc, come to mind in regards to "Too Big to Worry about Legalities"; yet they had to pony up the fines, submit to stupidly crazy audit schedules, etc to keep their company alive.

I can import whatever Russian Fighter jet anyone wants, BUT it takes 3 different paperwork submissions to do so.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
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plong said:
Can you say “Dayton”... ?
True story: took the family to the Air Force Museum at Wright Pat a number of years ago. My wife’s cousin was a Captain serving with what is now NASIC at the time. After we spent a couple of days touring the museum he took us on a driving tour of the base. We were cruising down the tarmac in his family mini van, we turn a corner and run straight to a MIG 29, with another one in pieces-parts spread all over the pavement. “Oh... Yeah... we bought 12 of those from a Russian General looking to make a quick buck...” Me, eyes as big as saucers: “Can we stop and take a look...?” That was a big no... something about pavement, face down, and M16s... 🤣
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Most of WPAFB is underground. The good stuff is hiding
 
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THEIS said:
Hi,

BS, court cases with DDTC prove that no amount of money makes you safe from ITAR and USML Sec 121 import violations, lol.

Companies like:
Blackwater
BAE Systems
L3
Boeing
Etc, come to mind in regards to "Too Big to Worry about Legalities"; yet they had to pony up the fines, submit to stupidly crazy audit schedules, etc to keep their company alive.

I can import whatever Russian Fighter jet anyone wants, BUT it takes 3 different paperwork submissions to do so.

Sincerely,
Theis
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I would think that those you named would've had more issues with export more than the import of ITAR items. But either way, I looked and didn't find any old stories on fully loaded migs being brought into the US, so who can say for sure what trouble they got in.
 
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MarinePMI said:
Or that one time they sold a fully armed Mig-23 to a couple US business men, who flew it into the US, not realizing they were breaking God knows how many laws...
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The going rate c. 1990 in East Berlin was: 1 Fully-operational T-80 Tank was worth a new S-Class Mercedes. A Makarov was, at one point, a pair of Levi's. With everything in between. It got to the point where they couldn't give tanks away.... USSR stopped sending supplies and food at one point. Only way some Sov. commanders (who were still sitting with their troops awaiting 'movement home' orders) could feed their troops was bartering and selling off anything not nailed down.

The West Germans felt so bad for them that they emptied something like 300 warehouses of 'emergency food' that had been stockpiled in case a hot war kicked off and West Berlin was isolated. And so they gave that food to the Soviet soldiers to eat! Guess that was the one time when socialism worked...

Cheers,

Sirhr

PS. Something like 300K 'small arms' disappeared before the sovs went home. Some to Balkans (though they were loaded with their own weapons). Most are probably still under mattresses and in basements all over Germany. Waiting. Just waiting.
 
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AFGWS said:
I would think that those you named would've had more issues with export more than the import of ITAR items. But either way, I looked and didn't find any old stories on fully loaded migs being brought into the US, so who can say for sure what trouble they got in.
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That's because this was pre-9/11, and .gov didn't want the public to know about the serious gaps in our homeland security. Things have change radically since then...
 
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AFGWS said:
I would think that those you named would've had more issues with export more than the import of ITAR items. But either way, I looked and didn't find any old stories on fully loaded migs being brought into the US, so who can say for sure what trouble they got in.
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Hi,

They import workers...that is where most of them get into trouble at!!
DDTC and USML is not all about a product going out of USA....they regulate every single part of said companies....Down to procedures and protocols for the overnight janitor.

I can say for sure what trouble they got in, lol....That case is still used to this day for training DDTC auditors as well as US Customs' specialized defense item investigation teams.

It is also why Russia has implemented pretty much a single entity POC company that controls ALL legal exportations of Russian Defense equipment.

It is also why damn near every country on this planet implemented the policy of Import permits from destination country come before and must be supplied to the origin country before an export permit is approved.

Sincerely,
Theis
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
The going rate c. 1990 in East Berlin was: 1 Fully-operational T-80 Tank was worth a new S-Class Mercedes. A Makarov was, at one point, a pair of Levi's. With everything in between. It got to the point where they couldn't give tanks away.... USSR stopped sending supplies and food at one point. Only way some Sov. commanders (who were still sitting with their troops awaiting 'movement home' orders) could feed their troops was bartering and selling off anything not nailed down.

The West Germans felt so bad for them that they emptied something like 300 warehouses of 'emergency food' that had been stockpiled in case a hot war kicked off and West Berlin was isolated. And so they gave that food to the Soviet soldiers to eat! Guess that was the one time when socialism worked...

Cheers,

Sirhr

PS. Something like 300K 'small arms' disappeared before the sovs went home. Some to Balkans (though they were loaded with their own weapons). Most are probably still under mattresses and in basements all over Germany. Waiting. Just waiting.
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That must be why Sweden is having all the grenade attacks in Malmo. Old Eastern Block shit.


I want some, dammit.
 
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clcustom1911 said:
That must be why Sweden is having all the grenade attacks in Malmo. Old Eastern Block shit.


I want some, dammit.
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Well, they were right on the iron curtain weren't they? The old "Non Sufficient Funds" line ("NSF": Norway, Sweden, Finland), with Finland heavily compromised by Soviet agents and informants...
 
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