Should we read into the font choice on those ammo boxes or no?
The "X" in "Max"?....
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Should we read into the font choice on those ammo boxes or no?
The 3rd Reich font. Looks like some white supremacist or nazi tattoo font.What are you seeing that I'm not?
The font / logo is SOLGW logo.The 3rd Reich font. Looks like some white supremacist or nazi tattoo font.
I think we all know who SOLGW is. But why that choice of FONT. Why would someone choose the same font used by Nazi Germany and white supremacists? Coincidence and someome thinks it looks cool? Or intentional?
I’m certainly no SOGLW fan boi. Not that I don’t like them, just don’t own anything from them yet. Maybe I’m uneducated and naive, but never, not once have I ever looked at their font and thought…man, that screams Nazi font or white supremacy. Do those groups have the copyright on font?I think we all know who SOLGW is. But why that choice of FONT. Why would someone choose the same font used by Nazi Germany and white supremacists? Coincidence and someome thinks it looks cool? Or intentional?
I think we all know who SOLGW is. But why that choice of FONT. Why would someone choose the same font used by Nazi Germany and white supremacists? Coincidence and someome thinks it looks cool? Or intentional?
Never made an assumption. Hence why I asked and allowed for both sides.Why would you assume someones political beleifs from the font they use?
If someone tells you they are a vegetarian, do you assume they want to get rid of the jews?
I guess the Navy is also Nazis, yeah?Never made an assumption. Hence why I asked and allowed for both sides.
Why are you defensive?
I don't know what you're getting at, but there are some military units that are struggling with some of the symbology they've been using over the last 20 years.I guess the Navy is also Nazis, yeah?
Are they struggling? Or are some miserable cunts with nothing better to do creating problems where there aren't any?I don't know what you're getting at, but there are some military units that are struggling with some of the symbology they've been using over the last 20 years.
If you want to have a political discussion take it to the bear pit. thats not the purpose of this threadI don't know what you're getting at, but there are some military units that are struggling with some of the symbology they've been using over the last 20 years.
There's a bunch of legacy team symbols that use iron crosses, desert palms, and what not. 99.9999% of the time, someone just thought it looked cool and was slightly ignorant about it or just blase. But we are dealing with the fall out of it a little bit, so maybe that's why that stuff sticks out to me right now.Are they struggling? Or are some miserable cunts with nothing better to do creating problems where there aren't any?
Boy this thread got retarded fast.
“Symbology”I don't know what you're getting at, but there are some military units that are struggling with some of the symbology they've been using over the last 20 years.
X2 holy F wordAre they struggling? Or are some miserable cunts with nothing better to do creating problems where there aren't any?
Boy this thread got retarded fast.
"Everyone I don't like is a Nazi".Are they struggling? Or are some miserable cunts with nothing better to do creating problems where there aren't any?
Boy this thread got retarded fast.
Yeah I've had that thought about the 90s as well.I haven't played with the numbers for a minute, but I'm getting a strong suspicion that the 80-90ish gr might be the sweet spot before the point of diminishing returns for the "high" BC 6mm Max pills for doing work to surpass 77gr SPR work with similar or shorter length barrels.
For an all around bullet I could probably live with an 85gr around 2730 out of a 14.5"
I haven't been following along too closely, but what do we think is the sweet spot in bullet weight where a 6MAX has enough of an advantage (in BC and MV) to matter over a 77gr TMK in say, a 14.5"-18" AR? Will this stomp a 77gr 5.56 in 10.3-12.5" barrels?I haven't played with the numbers for a minute, but I'm getting a strong suspicion that the 80-90ish gr might be the sweet spot before the point of diminishing returns for the "high" BC 6mm Max pills for doing work to surpass 77gr SPR work with similar or shorter length barrels.
100%...I just don't know.Dead animals and match wins are cool, but is the juice really worth the squeeze for this round in standard-ish AR configurations?
I haven't been following along too closely, but what do we think is the sweet spot in bullet weight where a 6MAX has enough of an advantage (in BC and MV) to matter over a 77gr TMK in say, a 14.5"-18" AR? Will this stomp a 77gr 5.56 in 10.3-12.5" barrels?
Dead animals and match wins are cool, but is the juice really worth the squeeze for this round in standard-ish AR configurations?
Seems like 6.5G, 6ARC, and 22ARC do, but they need a different bolt and mags...
100%...I just don't know.
The appeal of that performance bump without having to step into a large frame gasser...and WITHOUT a ton of hassle is extremely seductive, and will continue to be.
At the end of the day, my brain knows sticking with .223/5.56 is the smarter, more logical play....
Since you really just need a barrel and a couple of DuraMags, and SOLGW will replace your barrel for free if and when you shoot it out -- seems like a decently low-cost way to try out something new in an AR15. Ammo is $1.50/rd right now, but even if you have a minimal handloading setup you should be able to make ammo pretty easily on your own. BC Precision and SOLGW are making ammo and a third (unnamed) ammo supplier is teeing up to make the round as well. The short term goals is $1/rd.
Shoot 5.56 for training and range days, pop on a 6MAX upper for whatever else. <---- Best thing about an AR15.
The math over the 77 grain is compelling out of a 12.5" barrel and I've strongly considered converting my P415 to 6Max. I was kind of set on the idea of the 103gr, heavies out of the 12.5" barrel which would clearly outperform 77 grain 5.56 pills. But then 300 blackout supers, say 110 grain, out of a 9" barrel, comes awfully close and my 8" isn't far behind while being practically half the weight and a good big shorter in length. Doesn't seem as appealing then. Energy on target is within 100 ft. lbs. I guess I could build a lightweight 12.5" rifle but that would sort of defeat the purpose as the P415 is a battle tank. Decisions and tradeoffs.I haven't been following along too closely, but what do we think is the sweet spot in bullet weight where a 6MAX has enough of an advantage (in BC and MV) to matter over a 77gr TMK in say, a 14.5"-18" AR? Will this stomp a 77gr 5.56 in 10.3-12.5" barrels?
Dead animals and match wins are cool, but is the juice really worth the squeeze for this round in standard-ish AR configurations?
Seems like 6.5G, 6ARC, and 22ARC do, but they need a different bolt and mags...
Took the words right out of my mouthYeah, not a good way to start. At least the 6ARC they were talking about 12.5-18" barrels
At the very least, I just wish they would show me right off the bat:
How much more can you give me than 77gr BH red box 5.56/Mk262 level loads from a normal barrel length...probably 16-18?
IF they MAX can have me handily out-pacing 77gr 5.56mm with 90gr 6mm projo...or a 95gr load equal to or greater than 77gr out of an 18" or less barrel, then I'd consider it...especially not having to swap bolts and dick with fucked up magazine options.
Thought $1.50 sounded a little spicy, but I guess I haven't noticed what 6ARC had gotten up to.
I took all the data from BC Precision Ballistics site and plugged it into an internal ballistics model that will show mv change with barrel length, charge weight, and bullet weight changes. (It has been within 14fps of real-world for me over the years with Grendel, Creedmoor, .223 Rem/5.56, .308, etc.)I haven't been following along too closely, but what do we think is the sweet spot in bullet weight where a 6MAX has enough of an advantage (in BC and MV) to matter over a 77gr TMK in say, a 14.5"-18" AR? Will this stomp a 77gr 5.56 in 10.3-12.5" barrels?
Dead animals and match wins are cool, but is the juice really worth the squeeze for this round in standard-ish AR configurations?
Seems like 6.5G, 6ARC, and 22ARC do, but they need a different bolt and mags...
Can you run those same numbers for a 103gr eldx?
I feel like that weight is the sweet spot for 6mm class.
Running strelok pro, I am finding at 500M the 6max 103gr eldx has 50% more energy and 30% less wind drift vs 77tmk, both from a 16" bbl at my high elevation.
That is going off the 103gr velocity claimed above and using Streloks bc of .258, while the chart above has it listed as .2508.
Drop is basically identical for those 2 cartridges out to over 500M, which is nice for memorizing the drops, at least for me. Probably the same speed drop factor.
Hit the range yesterday with a new build to get a little data. I had 70 grn SMK, 80 grn eld-vt, and 90 grn eld-x. The 80 grn eld-vt sits too deep into the case to be loaded to mag length, leaving a gap between the bullet and neck so it's a no-go.Anyone reloaded 6 max yet?
This is the conclusion I’ve come to as well. It may not beat other cartridges in raw performance, but ease of caliber conversion could be a driving factor in acceptance, much like 6.5CM and 300blk.This cartridge fills a great spot for caliber swaps on unconventional setups like the AR18-style SIG Spear that can be rebarreled, but BCGs aren't available for 6mm ARC or Grendel. 35 grains WC, six more than 5.56 and on par with ARC and Grendel. The only cost I see on paper is OAL constraints.