New Kahles K328i

Night Vision Viking · Jun 11, 2024

I got one the other week, DLR version.

Wow, what can I say? You're really "drawn" into the optic and the FOV is better than any of the other scopes I have (slightly better than the S&B 3-27x).

I think this will be a good fit for my LWRCI REPR Mk II Elite 6.5 Creedmoor, as soon as Spuhr can deliver a mount. (in a week or so)

Night Vision Viking · Jun 11, 2024

eamars said:
Can someone who have hands on the scope kindly share photos behind the scope?

Well, I guess I can.

One of them is the S&B 6-36x EU version.

Jmeier1981 · Jun 11, 2024

Night Vision Viking said:
I got one the other week, DLR version.

Wow, what can I say? You're really "drawn" into the optic and the FOV is better than any of the other scopes I have (slightly better than the S&B 3-27x).

I think this will be a good fit for my LWRCI REPR Mk II Elite 6.5 Creedmoor, as soon as Spuhr can deliver a mount.

Area419 just made their 1pc mid-cantilever mount available on their website yesterday... so far it's only the 0moa cant, 34mm height

Night Vision Viking · Jun 11, 2024

In Sweden we call this a "Smorgåsbord". Now all we need is nubbe (schnapps), so we can see clearly.

JER6.5 · Jun 11, 2024

Night Vision Viking said:
In Sweden we call this a "Smorgåsbord". Now all we need is nubbe (schnapps), so we can see clearly.

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Nice lineup.

How do you like the 10-60?
And what spuhr mount are you choosing for the 328i?

Night Vision Viking · Jun 11, 2024

JER6.5 said:
Nice lineup.

How do you like the 10-60?
And what spuhr mount are you choosing for the 328i?

Thanks. Evaluations are to begin.

The K328i will get a Spuhr QDP-6016 for a LWRCI REPR 6.5 Creedmoor.

Spuhr QDP-6016: 36mm Cantilever Quick Detach Mount 0MIL/0MOA - 1.5"

Spuhr QDP-6016: A 36mm quick detach Cantilever mount (0 MOA), 1.5in height. Durable, grooved rings, and 7 mounting placements for accessories.

www.milehighshooting.com

Bigvern · Jun 11, 2024

All mounted and ready to go!!!

Night Vision Viking · Jun 11, 2024

Nice, but I see what they mean about the design not looking terrific in some mounts. Will it work on your rifle?

Bigvern · Jun 11, 2024

Night Vision Viking said:
Nice, but I see what they mean about the design not looking terrific in some mounts. Will it work on your rifle?

Yes
Works fine
I ended up putting it on my desert tech
No issues at all

I also have a SPUHR 6601 that works on a normal height action
I don’t need it so $450 shipped if anyone is looking for one

drew hopkinth · Jun 11, 2024

Night Vision Viking said:
Well, I guess I can.

One of them is the S&B 6-36x EU version.

What do you prefer between the S&B 6-36 and the K328? I’d be really interested in the non-DLR K328 w/ the MSR2 reticle

Night Vision Viking · Jun 12, 2024

drew hopkinth said:
What do you prefer between the S&B 6-36 and the K328? I’d be really interested in the non-DLR K328 w/ the MSR2 reticle

I think they are different Beasts. 3-28x vs 6-36x, of course with some overlapping.

I will use my LWRCI mainly for hunting, so 328 is better than 526 or 636. If the rifle was for PRS I'd probably go 636, if you see where I'm going?

Don't think the K328i will come in MSR2, or do you know more?

Niko · Jun 12, 2024

Night Vision Viking said:
I think they are different Beasts. 3-28x vs 6-36x, of course with some overlapping.

I will use my LWRCI mainly for hunting, so 328 is better than 526 or 636. If the rifle was for PRS I'd probably go 636, if you see where I'm going?

Don't think the K328i will come in MSR2, or do you know more?

MSR2 is available with the non-dlr version.

drew hopkinth · Jun 12, 2024

Night Vision Viking said:
I think they are different Beasts. 3-28x vs 6-36x, of course with some overlapping.

I will use my LWRCI mainly for hunting, so 328 is better than 526 or 636. If the rifle was for PRS I'd probably go 636, if you see where I'm going?

Don't think the K328i will come in MSR2, or do you know more?

Makes sense. I’d be throwing this on a NRL Hunter rifle to replace a ZCO 4-20 so I’m leaning more towards the Kahles. Do you notice a difference in glass quality between the S&B and the Kahles?

thexman · Jun 12, 2024

Night Vision Viking said:
Well, I guess I can.

One of them is the S&B 6-36x EU version.

It looks like the K328i at 28x has the same FOV as S&B 6-36 at 25x, both are about 9mil from left or right to center.

Jmeier1981 · Jun 12, 2024

Tyler Kemp said:
@Jmeier1981

Throw lever, caps, ARDs coming within a few weeks, max.

Our 36mm XLP level is real nice.

Got a magnification throw lever ready for me? This scope might make the trip up to Wisconsin next week for the NRL22 Nationals, sure would be nice to have a throw lever on it.

Tyler Kemp · Jun 14, 2024

Jmeier1981 said:
Got a magnification throw lever ready for me? This scope might make the trip up to Wisconsin next week for the NRL22 Nationals, sure would be nice to have a throw lever on it.

Shoot us an email. [email protected]

Yes is the answer, but not "inventory", we can get you a beta unit.

Jmeier1981 · Jun 14, 2024

Tyler Kemp said:
Shoot us an email. [email protected]

Yes is the answer, but not "inventory", we can get you a beta unit.

Email sent

Niko · Jun 15, 2024

Rio Precision Gunworks said:
In Area419's video, they mentioned they weren't overly impressed with the eye box. And that's a semi-hype video.

So, take that how you will.

Area 419 just posted a new video where they corrected themselves. Apparently they had a prototype that had a flaw, not a rare thing with prototypes.

I didn't really understand area 419's previous statements as they didn't line up with my impressions, but they've got it right on the new video.

jthor · Jun 15, 2024

Glad they corrected. It’s been a very forgiving eyebox. Still going to wait for @HawkinsPrecision to put out a mount for it though.

sporter123 · Jun 23, 2024

Mounted today, and will zero next week.

I tried to compare it with the k624i on my vast property.

you get the idea of the bigger fov on 20x based on the mil scale.

The parallax of the k328i starts at only 20meters, which is nice since i can get a clear picture at the far end of my garden to mount it properly.

I like the azimuth turret on the left side, but the patended twist guard feels akward with the free rotation of the disc.

I had to check the manual to understand its on purpose.

jh2785 · Jun 24, 2024

Niko said:
Area 419 just posted a new video where they corrected themselves. Apparently they had a prototype that had a flaw, not a rare thing with prototypes.

I didn't really understand area 419's previous statements as they didn't line up with my impressions, but they've got it right on the new video.

this is great to hear. A meeting in Atlanta 5 -6 years ago is mentioned......is Kahles the only manufacture doing this? Or were there others in the meeting with forthcoming similar products?

jh2785 · Jun 24, 2024

Night Vision Viking said:
In Sweden we call this a "Smorgåsbord". Now all we need is nubbe (schnapps), so we can see clearly.

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How's that K18i-2?

Wilsonjp · Jun 27, 2024

Hi all.
Intriguing scope for sure.
I shoot NRL22 matches and am using a Element Theos scope, which I'm very happy with for the most part. However I don't shoot with my dominant eye, and find I like the magnification up a little more than most to make up for this. But that can make target acquisition harder. We only shoot out to 100yrds BTW.

My thoughts on the 328i is that this could allow me to run a magnification closer to 20x and have the FOV of what I would normally have at say 15x on my Theos.

There are lots of great through the lens photos here, but I can't tell what mag they were taken on.
I'm really interested to see how many mils wide the scope is at 15x and 20x, as I can't see one in person.

Would love to hear any thoughts on this.

Cheers

Niko · Jun 27, 2024

Wilsonjp said:
Hi all.
Intriguing scope for sure.
I shoot NRL22 matches and am using a Element Theos scope, which I'm very happy with for the most part. However I don't shoot with my dominant eye, and find I like the magnification up a little more than most to make up for this. But that can make target acquisition harder. We only shoot out to 100yrds BTW.

My thoughts on the 328i is that this could allow me to run a magnification closer to 20x and have the FOV of what I would normally have at say 15x on my Theos.

There are lots of great through the lens photos here, but I can't tell what mag they were taken on.
I'm really interested to see how many mils wide the scope is at 15x and 20x, as I can't see one in person.

Would love to hear any thoughts on this.

Cheers

I'm not able to take any pictures right now since it's night here, but i did check for you anyways, hope this helps.

15x = 32-33 mils, just over 16 on each side.
20x = 23-24 mils, just over 12 on each side.

Wilsonjp · Jun 27, 2024

Niko said:
I'm not able to take any pictures right now since it's night here, but i did check for you anyways, hope this helps.

15x = 32-33 mils, just over 16 on each side.
20x = 23-24 mils, just over 12 on each side.

Thank you very much for doing this. That's quite a wide view!

Another question I have is, how is the depth of view ? My current scopes are very forgiving of parallax, and I wondered how this shorter scope might perform.

mkollman74 · Jun 28, 2024

jzerfoss said:
The fact that anyone still buys Kahles scopes blows my mind.

Do you have a mind...?

jthor · Jun 28, 2024

Parr

youthman said:
Kahles has always been an excellent scope. If you dislike chromatic aberration, stay away from Kahles. Other than that, they’re great.

None of that with the 328.

Niko · Jun 28, 2024

Wilsonjp said:
Thank you very much for doing this. That's quite a wide view!

Another question I have is, how is the depth of view ? My current scopes are very forgiving of parallax, and I wondered how this shorter scope might perform.

The depth of view is great at normal precision rifle distances atleast, not sure how it compares to other scopes at rimfire distances, i've never thought to test it out at those ranges honestly.

youthman said:
Kahles has always been an excellent scope. If you dislike chromatic aberration, stay away from Kahles. Other than that, they’re great.

Chromatic abberation is a thing of the past, the K328 is practically free of chromatic abberation, the best i've seen so far.

jzerfoss · Jun 28, 2024

Niko said:
Chromatic abberation is a thing of the past, the K328 is practically free of chromatic abberation, the best i've seen so far.

The same was said by the fanboys, sponsored shooters, and salesman about the K525 but once several were out there it was pretty apparent it was no different than the K624. Hopefully what you're saying holds true once more people have them in hand.

jthor · Jun 28, 2024

jzerfoss said:
The same was said by the fanboys, sponsored shooters, and salesman about the K525 but once several were out there it was pretty apparent it was no different than the K624. Hopefully what you're saying holds true once more people have them in hand.

I have both the 525 and 328, both DLRs. It is a night and day difference between the 2 when compared side by side

Wilsonjp · Jun 28, 2024

Niko said:
The depth of view is great at normal precision rifle distances atleast, not sure how it compares to other scopes at rimfire distances, i've never thought to test it out at those ranges honestly.

Chromatic abberation is a thing of the past, the K328 is practically free of chromatic abberation, the best i've seen so far.

Thanks. I guess to be fair, it is a difficult metric to measure, and comparison to another scope is probably a good way to do it.

Hopefully someone with hands on experience with a razor gen 3 or the like, might be able to compare this aspect at sub 100 yard distances.

Niko · Jul 1, 2024

jzerfoss said:
The same was said by the fanboys, sponsored shooters, and salesman about the K525 but once several were out there it was pretty apparent it was no different than the K624. Hopefully what you're saying holds true once more people have them in hand.

I'm sure it will hold true, it's a big and obvious difference from most scopes i have tested. I would love to see some comprehensive tests and comparisons done by independent reviewers aswell.

Night Vision Viking · Jul 30, 2024

Working on it...

Concamo Ghosthood, OD Green LWRCI Repr Mk II Elite, Spuhr QD mount and K328i.

Not sure I could find a sweeter setup atm.

Hegre · Aug 8, 2024

Niko said:
The depth of view is great at normal precision rifle distances atleast, not sure how it compares to other scopes at rimfire distances, i've never thought to test it out at those ranges honestly.

Chromatic abberation is a thing of the past, the K328 is practically free of chromatic abberation, the best i've seen so far.

I am very curious how forgiving the depth is at ranges of 50-225 yards compared to zco 527 or similar.

JuantoPRS · Aug 26, 2024

First of all, I apologize for my translation. My English is not very good and I translate through Google.

I'm looking to change my 525I to get an SKMR4 reticle with which I can better defend myself. I shot a PRS match with the 525 DLR with a friend's SKMR4 and I felt very comfortable. But... I already know of two cases of acquaintances with a 328 who have trouble keeping zero at 100m. One of them finds it difficult to keep it centered and another loses zero every so often and has to be centering it often at the shooting range.

Have any of you heard of something similar happening in the US? Because this "problem" makes me doubt and decide on a 525 DLR since my 525I never gave me any problems since I bought it 4 years ago.

Thank you all very much and I read your answers.

xxflyingturtlexx · Aug 26, 2024

JuantoPRS said:
First of all, I apologize for my translation. My English is not very good and I translate through Google.

I'm looking to change my 525I to get an SKMR4 reticle with which I can better defend myself. I shot a PRS match with the 525 DLR with a friend's SKMR4 and I felt very comfortable. But... I already know of two cases of acquaintances with a 328 who have trouble keeping zero at 100m. One of them finds it difficult to keep it centered and another loses zero every so often and has to be centering it often at the shooting range.

Have any of you heard of something similar happening in the US? Because this "problem" makes me doubt and decide on a 525 DLR since my 525I never gave me any problems since I bought it 4 years ago.

Thank you all very much and I read your answers.

Could this be related to mounts? I have been reading about this scope on every different channel i can get my eyes on and this is the first time i am hearing losing zero.

jthor · Aug 26, 2024

Zero issues. I’ve shot 3 2-day matches with mine along with a few 1 day matches

eamars · Aug 26, 2024

Any one have idea on whether Kahles will bring AMR reticle to DLR product line in the future?

DeathBeforeDismount · Aug 27, 2024

jthor said:
I have both the 525 and 328, both DLRs. It is a night and day difference between the 2 when compared side by side

Have you ran the 328 in any matches yet? Curious if its a optimized for that.

jthor · Aug 27, 2024

DeathBeforeDismount said:
Have you ran the 328 in any matches yet? Curious if its an optimized for that.

3 2-day matches and 2-3 1-day matches. Compared it side by side after a local match this weekend with a ZCO 527. I much prefer the 328. The FOV very noticeable between the 2

DeathBeforeDismount · Aug 27, 2024

jthor said:
3 2-day matches and 2-3 1-day matches. Compared it side by side after a local match this weekend with a ZCO 527. I much prefer the 328. The FOV very noticeable between the 2

How is the DOF, eyebox and parallax? I have ran ZCO, TT and Gen 3 razors the last couple years. If its comparable, then I am seriously going to consider one.

jthor · Aug 27, 2024

DeathBeforeDismount said:
How is the DOF, eyebox and parallax? I have ran ZCO, TT and Gen 3 razors the last couple years. If its comparable, then I am seriously going to consider one.

DOF is excellent. Parallax and eye box are also very forgiving. A few times on the first stage of the day I’ve ran the scope on 28 power after sight in and been completely fine. I prefer 20 power with this scope. I’ll be getting a second scope in the near future to put on my practice rifle.

DeathBeforeDismount · Aug 28, 2024

jthor said:
DOF is excellent. Parallax and eye box are also very forgiving. A few times on the first stage of the day I’ve ran the scope on 28 power after sight in and been completely fine. I prefer 20 power with this scope. I’ll be getting a second scope in the near future to put on my practice rifle.

What mount are you running?

jthor · Aug 28, 2024

DeathBeforeDismount said:
What mount are you running?

Right now @HawkinsPrecision 2 Piece Heavy Tactical Rings on my 328. I like hooking my thumb on the bubble level if I’m on top of the scope to stabilize the rifle and I’m also loyal them for scope rings. I’ll use that until they come out with their own cantilever mount for it

The Knuckle · Sep 4, 2024

so the patent is void next year?

FLguy55 · Oct 13, 2024

I’ve been a long time Kahles glass hater cause let’s be honest, it never met its price point. With that said, they’ve made huge strides with this one. I’ve been running tangent for the last 1.5yrs or so (razor g3 prior and everything under the sun including zco before that) and this thing is really good. I need to get it out side by side with the TT more but initial impression is it’s darn close.

FOV is very good, of course. I don’t think the eye box is bad but it’s not as easy to slide behind as some others; especially over 20x. DOF is fantastic and the glass seems very good. The elevation turret feels great but oddly enough the windage is a little mushy. The physical design seems wonky AF but maybe they had to do it to get the performance. Who knows, but regardless the performance is very good. Right now it’s on my nrl hunter rig but I’ll definitely run it in a prs match soon.

I got a PM II 6-36 with the new tree reticle a short while back (haven’t exactly been wowed unfortunately) and immediately found the glass in the 328 to pop more and feels brighter. That new schmidt reticle is damn nice though!

carbonbased · Oct 14, 2024

The Knuckle said:
so the patent is void next year?

That is a point of contention. I’ve never read a solid answer. At first glance it seems like 2025 or 2026…

But as I understand it, international patent law is very weird and complicated, plus old patents might be extended somehow by tacking newer patents on them, etc etc. Or not.

Fuck if I know lol. Just relaying what I’ve read.
@koshkin @R_A_W @Glassaholic

TheOE800 · Oct 14, 2024

carbonbased said:
That is a point of contention. I’ve never read a solid answer. At first glance it seems like 2025 or 2026…

But as I understand it, international patent law is very weird and complicated, plus old patents might be extended somehow by tacking newer patents on them, etc etc. Or not.

Fuck if I know lol. Just relaying what I’ve read.
@koshkin @R_A_W @Glassaholic

@jb1000br iirc is in the patent space but I may be mistaking the username of the fella I met up with to test FOV.

stanley_white · Oct 14, 2024

“The only thing standing between me and a top three finish is that FOV patent expiring.”

-Nobody Ever

The Knuckle · Oct 14, 2024

Yeah, the price jump is got me asking if the juice is worth the squeeze. It’s a big jump. I wonder if the glass has improved.
Kinda stuck between choosing zco or Theta or kahles, Resolution vs fov.

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