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Summer officially starts next week, bitches be in bikinis, we need to start talking about protection...

LuckyDuck

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    ...From the sun that is. For those of us that are blessed with extra strength livers but lacking in the melanin protection leaving us to burn like vampires under the sun rather than tan (put another way, those of us that are of Irish heritage)- a proper hat is important.

    Luckily for you- I've spent more on hats for such occasion over the years than many of the folks here have in their most prized scopes. So pull up a chair and let's talk. When it comes to a proper summer hat, you're looking for fabric, breathability, and coverage. Plenty of styles out there but if you take sun protection seriously, you may need to put your personal style on the side. If you're tough enough to not worry about sun damage, just as a PSA- they quite literally have to cut out a portion of your skin for the biopsy and sew it back together. And that's just where the fun begins.

    So as for the better options I've come across- if you don't mine looking like a dork, one of the best options I've run across for the money is one of the Sunday Afternoon's Adventure hats. They incorporate a semi-rigid brim in the front and a cape in the back. They're relatively inexpensive, are lightweight, and breath quite well. They also have a boonie style hat with similar breathability/fabric but less coverage.

    One of the more popular brands is Tilley- they're expensive and I've got a few of them and if that's more to your liking, think of them as a 'fancier' boonie, between the LTM5 and LTM6 models you get to choose your brim size. The 'Airflo' design works pretty well but it's important to size the hat properly (it should be slightly loose and they seem to run small in their hat sizing for what it's worth) but the nylon fabric the LTM5 & LTM6 come in doesn't breathe as well and while durable inhibits the Airflo venting somewhat if performing physical activity. If that's your intention and you're still digging the Tilley style- I'd recommend looking at their Airflo models made out of Organic Cotten for extra breathability. The LTM5 Organic is comparable to the standard LTM5 but if you want the bigger brim of the LTM6 with organic cotton fabric- check out what they call the hiker's hat, the brim should be comparable to the LTM6. It also has a 'cooling pad' in the crown- that can be tossed or used (haven't had a chance to fully explore how effective that may be).

    Last option that I've had good luck with (and is a bit less traditional) is the Shelta hat line. They're what I'd consider, mid priced but what makes them a bit unique is in the front brim, they have a rigid insert that keeps the front structured while the remaining 2/3's or so of the brim is more traditional. I have the firebird & condor models which the only difference is basically the crown of the hat- but both are part of their 'wide brim' models because, again the sun hurts me. Otherwise- I've been pretty happy with them for the money as well.

    So to wrap things up- in my experience, avoid the ball caps- prioritize fabric, breathability, and coverage & if it isn't rated for UPF 50+ it's not worth your time or money and move onto to some other brand/model.

    Hopefully that helps some of our fair skinned members this summer.

    -LD
     
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    Eye protection is more like it.
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    Stop eating fucking garbage that is riddling your body with inflammation then you won’t burst into flames every time you peek at the sun. Sunlight is one of the most important things you can get. And no, taking a handful of vitamin D pills is not even remotely close to even 10 minutes in the sun

    Edit: I’m not begrudging anyone for not having a totally locked in diet either. Mine is ok but I still eat plenty of nonsense. What I do try to keep in check is eating as little seed/vegetable oils as possible and limiting the bread-y shit
     
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    Stop eating fucking garbage that is riddling your body with inflammation then you won’t burst into flames every time you peek at the sun. Sunlight is one of the most important things you can get. And no, taking a handful of vitamin D pills is not even remotely close to even 10 minutes in the sun

    Edit: I’m not begrudging anyone for not having a totally locked in diet either. Mine is ok but I still eat plenty of nonsense. What I do try to keep in check is eating as little seed/vegetable oils as possible and limiting the bread-y shit
    Dollars to doughnuts, I'm not alone here- the sun hurts me and it has nothing to do with my diet. I try to get outdoors as often as I can but I'm rather fair skinned, always have been (was born with red hair), but I'm not albino, a ginger or anything else, I just can't walk by a car with a moonroof in an enclosed auto show without getting sunburnt.

    I was at an NRL22 shoot a couple of years ago wearing a Tilley LTM6 hat... in March... In Pennsylvania... wearing SPF 50 sunscreen applied that morning and the afternoon sun still gave me the most awkward sunburn on one side of my face in the afternoon. It doesn't matter how hot it is, when I'm on the range, I'm wearing long sleeve shirts rated at UPF 50, pants rated the same, a broad brimmed hat with also a UPF 50 rating (I don't screw around there, a UPF 30 rating can take a hike in my world). I also have several UV BUFF's rated at UPF 50 in my truck and bag. I recently incorporated wearing UPF 50 rated sun gloves from OR (which were absolute champs last weekend). I'm not a vampire but the sun hurts me and sitting in a field for half a day without being in the shade (after-all we've got jobs to do whether it's playing RO or being on glass) and shade is a premium. Oh- and that's after putting sunscreen on in the morning- it doesn't last for long let me tell you.

    If you tan rather than burn, then please color me jealous because that's never been my bag. The world is so much better with UPF 50 rated clothing though. And I love my hats, and I'd like to think I pull them off well enough for that matter. But I'm not kidding you, I've tried quite a lot and literally have thousands of dollars into.. hats.. and UPF50 clothing.

    Your point is well taken but the point I was trying to make is sun damage is a bitch, skin cancer is much worse, and during Summer 2024 I was hoping to bring some awareness for Hide members to protect themselves a little bit better this year from the Sun.

    -LD
     
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    Dollars to doughnuts, I'm not alone here- the sun hurts me and it has nothing to do with my diet. I try to get outdoors as often as I can but I'm rather fair skinned, always have been (was born with red hair), but I'm not albino, a ginger or anything else, I just can't walk by a car with a moonroof in an enclosed auto show without getting sunburnt.

    I was at an NRL22 shoot a couple of years ago wearing a Tilley LTM6 hat... in March... In Pennsylvania... wearing SPF 50 sunscreen applied that morning and the afternoon sun still gave me the most awkward sunburn on one side of my face in the afternoon. It doesn't matter how hot it is, when I'm on the range, I'm wearing long sleeve shirts rated at UPF 50, pants rated the same, a broad brimmed hat with also a UPF 50 rating (I don't screw around there, a UPF 30 rating can take a hike in my world). I also have several UV BUFF's rated at UPF 50 in my truck and bag. I recently incorporated wearing UPF 50 rated sun gloves from OR (which were absolute champs last weekend). I'm not a vampire but the sun hurts me and sitting in a field for half a day without being in the shade (after-all we've got jobs to do whether it's playing RO or being on glass) and shade is a premium. Oh- and that's after putting sunscreen on in the morning- it doesn't last for long let me tell you.

    If you tan rather than burn, then please color me jealous because that's never been my bag. The world is so much better with UPF 50 rated clothing though. And I love my hats, and I'd like to think I pull them off well enough for that matter. But I'm not kidding you, I've tried quite a lot and literally have thousands of dollars into.. hats.. and UPF50 clothing.

    Your point is well taken but the point I was trying to make is sun damage is a bitch, skin cancer is much worse, and during Summer 2024 I was hoping to bring some awareness for Hide members to protect themselves a little bit better this year from the Sun.

    -LD
    I have to ask. Are you a chat bot?
     
    I've been pretty happy with my Sheltas although I wish I would have went once size up- I don't suppose you know what model(s) you've been using by chance?

    -LD

    I use the Osprey for active stuff and a Landhawk as a hunting boonie. If sun is your main issue get the Condor. My semi albino super ginger friend wears that for full coverage. Even the smaller Osprey covers my ears and neck with shade though.
     
    Dollars to doughnuts, I'm not alone here- the sun hurts me and it has nothing to do with my diet. I try to get outdoors as often as I can but I'm rather fair skinned, always have been (was born with red hair), but I'm not albino, a ginger or anything else, I just can't walk by a car with a moonroof in an enclosed auto show without getting sunburnt.

    I was at an NRL22 shoot a couple of years ago wearing a Tilley LTM6 hat... in March... In Pennsylvania... wearing SPF 50 sunscreen applied that morning and the afternoon sun still gave me the most awkward sunburn on one side of my face in the afternoon. It doesn't matter how hot it is, when I'm on the range, I'm wearing long sleeve shirts rated at UPF 50, pants rated the same, a broad brimmed hat with also a UPF 50 rating (I don't screw around there, a UPF 30 rating can take a hike in my world). I also have several UV BUFF's rated at UPF 50 in my truck and bag. I recently incorporated wearing UPF 50 rated sun gloves from OR (which were absolute champs last weekend). I'm not a vampire but the sun hurts me and sitting in a field for half a day without being in the shade (after-all we've got jobs to do whether it's playing RO or being on glass) and shade is a premium. Oh- and that's after putting sunscreen on in the morning- it doesn't last for long let me tell you.

    If you tan rather than burn, then please color me jealous because that's never been my bag. The world is so much better with UPF 50 rated clothing though. And I love my hats, and I'd like to think I pull them off well enough for that matter. But I'm not kidding you, I've tried quite a lot and literally have thousands of dollars into.. hats.. and UPF50 clothing.

    Your point is well taken but the point I was trying to make is sun damage is a bitch, skin cancer is much worse, and during Summer 2024 I was hoping to bring some awareness for Hide members to protect themselves a little bit better this year from the Sun.

    -LD
    You are affected more by your diet than you realize. Unless you are actively keeping nut/seed/veggie oil and anything else that may cause inflammation out of your diet, it’s being eaten. These things accumulate in your body and some of it is hard to get rid of so the body carries it around for a long time.

    I was the same way. 15 minutes in the sun, even at a time of year that the sun wasn’t very strong, and I was a burn victim. After a few years of doing various forms of low carb diet I can be in some pretty intense sun and be ok

    Like I said, I’m not the best either. I feel like a whore every time I eat some pizza or some delicious sweet garbage. I just got done eating some mac-n-cheese with lunch and finishing the Icees my kids were done with. But I had a breakfast of eggs, yogurt, & fruit and plenty of other meat & fruit during the day. I’m not where I want to be, having children is a motherfucker on any health/fitness goals, but I’m getting closer
     
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    Especially when fishing, I like to wear a wide brimmed boonie that is ventilated.

    And, I wear Magellan angler shirts to cover my 9 mm. But, when fishing, I pick the long sleeved one to protect my arms from the sun.
     
    Damn it, beat me to it, again.

    Also reminds me of the alternate song by the Rolling Stones about Hugh Hefner and Dennis Weaver, the actor, known mostly for his TV show, McCloud.
    The chorus goes "Hey, Hugh, Get off McCloud!"

    So, yeah, get off the moors provides a different mental image when considering the alternate definition of "moor."

    What "moor" could you ask for?
     
    You are affected more by your diet than you realize. Unless you are actively keeping nut/seed/veggie oil and anything else that may cause inflammation out of your diet, it’s being eaten. These things accumulate in your body and some of it is hard to get rid of so the body carries it around for a long time.

    I was the same way. 15 minutes in the sun, even at a time of year that the sun wasn’t very strong, and I was a burn victim. After a few years of doing various forms of low carb diet I can be in some pretty intense sun and be ok

    Like I said, I’m not the best either. I feel like a whore every time I eat some pizza or some delicious sweet garbage. I just got done eating some mac-n-cheese with lunch and finishing the Icees my kids were done with. But I had a breakfast of eggs, yogurt, & fruit and plenty of other meat & fruit during the day. I’m not where I want to be, having children is a motherfucker on any health/fitness goals, but I’m getting closer
    I don't mean for this to come across as me being skeptical of your statements... but, I did do some preliminary internet searches on your comments and in full disclosure- frankly you can color me surprised because right off the bat I found numerous scientific articles supporting your comment that research does in fact support diet impacts sun resistance.

    So I'll humbly (and publicly) give you the credit that you rightfully deserve for mentioning it as in all of my decades that's honestly the first time I've come across this information. I'll go down that rabbit hole later this week that you set up but for whatever little it's worth- thanks for bringing it to my/our attention. I mean that sincerely.

    -LD
     
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    I don't mean for this to come across as me being skeptical of your statements... but, I did do some preliminary internet searches on your comments and in full disclosure- frankly you can color me surprised because right off the bat I found numerous scientific articles supporting your comment that research does in fact support diet impacts sun resistance.

    So I'll humbly (and publicly) give you the credit that you rightfully deserve for mentioning it as in all of my decades that's honestly the first time I've come across this information. I'll go down that rabbit hole later this week that you set up but for whatever little it's worth- thanks for bringing it to my/our attention. I mean that sincerely.

    -LD
    You’re welcome, man. If you want some reading recommendations let me know and also share what you find
     
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    Setting up a Cub Scout Day Camp range today: SPF50 Performance t-Shirt, SA Company fishing sleeves, Buff neck gaiter, performance cloth do rag and a mesh sided safari hat; because skin cancer sux!

    The hard part is temp regulation since I’ve had heat stroke and hypothermia twice each when I was much younger (teens and 20’s).

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    Setting up a Cub Scout Day Camp range today: SPF50 Performance t-Shirt, SA Company fishing sleeves, Buff neck gaiter, performance cloth do rag and a mesh sided safari hat; because skin cancer sux!

    The hard part is temp regulation since I’ve had heat stroke and hypothermia twice each when I was much younger (teens and 20’s).

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    Skip the tight fitting sleeves and wear a loose fitting long sleeved upf shirt. It'll let the air flow.
    There are plenty of very thin fishing gloves that also protect your hands.
    The ninja mask is a no go for me. They are way too hot to wear.


    Do not wear any coconut oil.
    I typically use it as a natural skin moisturizer. In the sun you'll cook like an egg on the sidewalk. AMHIK.
     
    Setting up a Cub Scout Day Camp range today: SPF50 Performance t-Shirt, SA Company fishing sleeves, Buff neck gaiter, performance cloth do rag and a mesh sided safari hat; because skin cancer sux!

    The hard part is temp regulation since I’ve had heat stroke and hypothermia twice each when I was much younger (teens and 20’s).

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    Looking good my man! Not sure what it's worth to you but I'm sure those scouts appreciate your time spent volunteering and will remember your efforts and support for a long time after they've moved on. I still remember my scout trips and scout masters something like 30 years later, some really good memories and people. You're beating the sun and making a difference!

    -LD
     
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    Skip the tight fitting sleeves and wear a loose fitting long sleeved upf shirt. It'll let the air flow.
    There are plenty of very thin fishing gloves that also protect your hands.
    The ninja mask is a no go for me. They are way too hot to wear.


    Do not wear any coconut oil.
    I typically use it as a natural skin moisturizer. In the sun you'll cook like an egg on the sidewalk. AMHIK.
    I agree, but wearing the mandatory activity shirt over the top adds too much heat. A little spritz of water down the sleeves acts just like a swamp cooler (20% RH here).
     
    Don't know what the "ninja mask" is made of, but I've used the Mission brand neck gaiters for years. Loose fitting, and you can dunk it in cold water just like the sleeves you wear.
     
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    Don't know what the "ninja mask" is made of, but I've used the Mission brand neck gaiters for years. Loose fitting, and you can dunk it in cold water just like the sleeves you wear.
    It’s the same material as the huk, SA, and other similar pull over fishing shirts. I first saw them coming out of the Florida/gulf coast for sun protection while fishing. I keep a spare set of sleeves in my edc bag at work if I get called out from the office. It sucks not having found a sun block lotion that won’t make me break out like a teenager. BTW asphalt and concrete reflect a lot more than most people think.