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I think I want a red dot on my new pistol.

I'm a bit of an avid P80 builder. But unless you're a machinist or have access to the right equipment.... I wouldn't even think of trying to mill the slide myself. The milling needs to be very precise, naturally. I'd either send the slide off to a pro or buy a pre-milled slide (which is what I've done).

I have a Trijicon RMR on my home defense pistol (for many years). But I installed Holosuns on two of my P80 builds. I like the Holosuns better than the venerated Trijicon RMR, honestly.

For my PFC9 (serialized P80 frame) EDC pistol, I got the Holosun 507C (green) with the ACSS Vulcan reticle that @Namekagon mentioned.
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The ACSS Vulcan reticle is the bee's knees, IMO. Especially good for learning and training for consistent presentation from a draw and quick acquisition of the "dot."

Holosun's infographic on how it works:​

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Then I made my own infographic:​

(getting the reticle in sharp focus is difficult with a camera, but it's very sharp to the human eye).
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Once you've dialed in your presentation, you won't ever see that outer circle.
For defensive shooting, I really REALLY like the chevron. If it's bullseye shooting, then the small dot reticle is better, of course.


Ummm... no. It depends. Bigger dot for faster acquisition / visibility... has advantages for defensive weapons. But if you're a competitive bullseye shooter, a big dot will obscure the bullseye, especially at longer distances. It will be less precise. If you're a bullseye shooter, a smaller dot is preferable.

That's why Trijicon offers their pistol optics in various dot sizes. My home defense pistol (FNH FNP-45T) has the Trijicon RM07 with a 6.5-MOA dot. That's a big dot. But it's for defensive use (big target). For more precise bullseye use, I'd go down to a 2-MOA or smaller dot.



Whether the rear sight is in front or behind, it will block a portion of the window. Some believe that it's "less intrusive" when in front of the optic. I agree it looks funky.

So, it depends on how tall your iron sights are. Personally, I think the whole notion of "co-witness" is really bullshit. The claim is that you'll use them if the battery craps out. The chances of the battery crapping out goes to zero if you simply replace your battery on a scheduled yearly basis.

If you want to have iron "back-up" sights, I'd make them as short as possible.

Finally... realize that it will take some time, training, and practice to become proficient with a pistol optic. But, I can honestly say at this point I am considerably faster with an optic than I am with iron sights. And as a person whose eyes aren't what they used to be (cannot focus on a front sight unless I'm using "cheaters" (glasses).... the optic reticle is always sharp (without glasses).

Another BIG advantage of pistol optics is the ability to stay "threat / target focused." You focus on the target and simply bring the "dot" (or chevron) up to be superimposed on the target. No shifting your focus like is required by iron sights.
I got the Primary Arms (exclusive?) ACSS Vulcan reticle Holosun even though I'd much rather have a Trijicon, because that reticle is just awesome, and I had a specific purpose for it: teaching my 4-year-old boy to shoot a Ruger Mark IV 22/45 light. He really had a hard time finding that dot at his age, and the Vulcan is a superb training aid. And the 250 MOA circle detracts nothing from the dot at full extension/presentation, so it's a win/win reticle design in my book.
 
Ignoring certain vocal posters, Trijicon gave up innovating in favor of litigating, long ago.

Holosuns are proven in combat, at scale, and I’ve moved over all my serious duty gear to their enclosed emitters.

The EPS and EPS carry are fantastic optics at any price. It just happens that they can be found under $300. They are enclosed emitter designs suitable for use in rain and snow, and mount up to a Holosun K series (RMSc) footprint.

The EPS sights ship with an adapter plate for the RMR footprint that is not great. For serious use, get the CHPWS plate or have a slide milled. Expensive note: the RMR adapter plates will not work if your milling job used ZEV posts.

I do wish the ACSS reticle was available in the EPS series, but the sheer reliability of an enclosed emitter trumps any peripheral benefits of the special reticle.
 
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Ignoring certain vocal posters, Trijicon gave up innovating in favor of litigating, long ago.

Holosuns are proven in combat, at scale, and I’ve moved over all my serious duty gear to their enclosed emitters.

The EPS and EPS carry are fantastic optics at any price. It just happens that they can be found under $300. They are enclosed emitter designs suitable for use in rain and snow, and mount up to a Holosun K series (RMSc) footprint.

The EPS sights ship with an adapter plate for the RMR footprint that is not great. For serious use, get the CHPWS plate or have a slide milled. Expensive note: the RMR adapter plates will not work if your milling job used ZEV posts.

I do wish the ACSS reticle was available in the EPS series, but the sheer reliability of an enclosed emitter trumps any peripheral benefits of the special reticle.
Just a heads up on CHPWS.
 
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LOL! And I'm just barely a "boomer" (1963). But I'm definitely not a Fudd!
 
I happened to see this yesterday and didn't see a better place to put it.
Seems the sight is built fairly well.

Ha! That's the same model Trijicon RMR I have (RM07). Well... if my FNP-45T is ever in a truck fire... I'm good to go!

No doubt the Trijicons are the "gold standard" when it comes to durability.

But my next pistol optic will likely be another Holosun. Still. :)
 
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Re: Holosun, GBPSWE.

One of the things about Holosun is they have a statistically significant higher rate of issues out of the box, and of course their CS sucks and some wait months to get warranty service. No amount of BS changes the facts.

Here's an article a buddy of mine sent me, it proves all the worst about Holosun being a 'western' label of a CCP company named Huanic that is a big part of their Military Industrial Complex. Their western customers could be construed- some unknowingly, as aiding and abetting the CCP's Military.

 
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I think even the average child would learn fast how to present a pistol or long gun when told to focus on the target and present the gun to the target so the red dot overlays the target, in the same way that most children instantly learn how to hold and "angle to the eye" toys like the popular View-Master handheld slide viewer. Kids learn so fast that I doubt gimmicks are even needed.
 
I gapped an entire family of raccoons last night with a 1301T and Holosun 508T. I got the big ones and the small ones. My wife was like "don't kill the babies"...and then they got splashed with 00. The 32MOA reticle is the spread of 00 from point blank past 25 yards.
 
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