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I am puzzled by the prevalence of Hawkins rings in PRS. I’m sure they are well-made, but so are many rings.PRS Blog really statistically likes Hawkins
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I’m not so sure.
hand pressing down and I could see some pressure imparted upon the scope tube.. I guess we don’t hear of a rash of scope failures attributed to hand pressure on diving boards. Not sure anyone would draw that inference, however, leaving the issue hidden.
That is a diving board; that i have to use an additional pic mount to add a red dot as opposed to a simple adapter; if that makes sense. I know i am being over picky, might as well take a shot doing this anyways…
I’m not so sure.
From the little I understand about how rings clamp upon the scope tube, it’s a particularly springy sort of clamp dynamic where the tube itself is more active in the system than, say, clamping a stainless steel block.
Sort of like clamping jello vs clamping concrete.
If you look at slow motion vids of harder hitting rifles you’ll see the scope flexing around. Add a (relatively) heavy WMLRF or possibly a
Pretty close to worst-case:
Another (slightly less) worst-case (lead-sled type, read the description why it’s hard on scopes):
I include this vids as they vibrate the scope/ring/rail system enough to be seen clearly. Not suggesting that your 21 lbs 6br or 22LR does a similar amount of vibe.
I mean, besides the MBrace design, most other scope rings use just the itty-bitty threads of 4 to 6 tiny screws to stand in-between a WMLRF that’s rocking a ring cap and the scope tube.
Although to be fair, Near Alphamount rings use 8 screws up front, and the Area419 rings have a dowel pin on each ring side that might limit back/forth rocking a bit.
Perhaps most scope tubes on an 6br are strong enough for hand pressure, especially if it’s not a gorilla doing it
However, over time with a WMLRF or spotlight up there (like the night-hunter Euros tend to do) I’m not so sure. A bunch more mechanical advantage occurring. Especially with a harder kicking caliber.
And it sounds like WMLRF are now being used more often in certain comps.
The MBrace one-piece pretty much just eliminates that potential, uh, “joint” (for lack of a better non-engineer-guy term). At least that’s what its design appears (to me) to do.
I’ll let the engineers chime in with their much more informed opinions. @E. Bryant @308pirate @koshkin
Yeah, plus the rail looked pretty cantilevered towards the rear too, so that didn’t help things at all.
I agree, Richard produces a world class bunch of rings and mounts. I had one of his Alfa-mounts. I agree that he is no internet guru. He concentrates on his product. I’ve met him a couple of times and have been to his shop. He can be a bit of a strange fellow. Nothing serious, but he sometimes goes off in a direction that might get you wondering about his sanity. But, he’s harmless.
I think springer air rifles are harder on scopes than almost anything. Might be worse than a SCAR. It’s that double fwd/back vibrating recoil, or so I’ve heard.
Yeah, I know. I tried to make it clear that normally one isn’t gonna have that sort of “boing” happening, and I only posted it to show the (exaggerated) effect because it’s easier to see.
hand leverage point.
99.999% of pro shooters buy their own gear (unless their main sponsor happens to make mounts, as well. Like MDT, MPA, etc)This may be of mild interest. Now, we all know that in addition to pro shooters picking equipment that they think will enhance their ability to win, its also true that many of them use particular brands of gear because....well, they are sponsored. So, take some of this with a grain of salt.
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Near Manufacturing might make you one. Call, don’t email.
I know Kinetic Development Group makes one. I have it on my Cadex 25 Creed. It's great for what it does, but it's not what I want for this 300 Norma system...but it's nice to be able to move the rings fore and aft.
I’m not so sure.
From the little I understand about how rings clamp upon the scope tube, it’s a particularly springy sort of clamp dynamic where the tube itself is more active in the system than, say, clamping a stainless steel block.
Sort of like clamping jello vs clamping concrete.
If you look at slow motion vids of harder hitting rifles you’ll see the scope flexing around. Add a (relatively) heavy WMLRF or possibly a
Pretty close to worst-case:
Another (slightly less) worst-case (lead-sled type, read the description why it’s hard on scopes):
I include this vids as they vibrate the scope/ring/rail system enough to be seen clearly. Not suggesting that your 21 lbs 6br or 22LR does a similar amount of vibe.
I mean, besides the MBrace design, most other scope rings use just the itty-bitty threads of 4 to 6 tiny screws to stand in-between a WMLRF that’s rocking a ring cap and the scope tube.
Although to be fair, Near Alphamount rings use 8 screws up front, and the Area419 rings have a dowel pin on each ring side that might limit back/forth rocking a bit.
Perhaps most scope tubes on an 6br are strong enough for hand pressure, especially if it’s not a gorilla doing it
However, over time with a WMLRF or spotlight up there (like the night-hunter Euros tend to do) I’m not so sure. A bunch more mechanical advantage occurring. Especially with a harder kicking caliber.
And it sounds like WMLRF are now being used more often in certain comps.
The MBrace one-piece pretty much just eliminates that potential, uh, “joint” (for lack of a better non-engineer-guy term). At least that’s what its design appears (to me) to do.
I’ll let the engineers chime in with their much more informed opinions. @E. Bryant @308pirate @koshkin
While I am no expert at WMLRF + diving boards at all, I’m a little concerned about longer term ring cap flex upon a scope with an WMLRF even if the cap screws are not loose.
So, the closeup on the red bars: is what you are referring to is that the lower gap between the bars is slightly narrower?
I’m not so sure.
From the little I understand about how rings clamp upon the scope tube, it’s a particularly springy sort of clamp dynamic where the tube itself is more active in the system than, say, clamping a stainless steel block.
Sort of like clamping jello vs clamping concrete.
If you look at slow motion vids of harder hitting rifles you’ll see the scope flexing around. Add a (relatively) heavy WMLRF or possibly a
Pretty close to worst-case:
Another (slightly less) worst-case (lead-sled type, read the description why it’s hard on scopes):
I include this vids as they vibrate the scope/ring/rail system enough to be seen clearly. Not suggesting that your 21 lbs 6br or 22LR does a similar amount of vibe.
I mean, besides the MBrace design, most other scope rings use just the itty-bitty threads of 4 to 6 tiny screws to stand in-between a WMLRF that’s rocking a ring cap and the scope tube.
Although to be fair, Near Alphamount rings use 8 screws up front, and the Area419 rings have a dowel pin on each ring side that might limit back/forth rocking a bit.
Perhaps most scope tubes on an 6br are strong enough for hand pressure, especially if it’s not a gorilla doing it
However, over time with a WMLRF or spotlight up there (like the night-hunter Euros tend to do) I’m not so sure. A bunch more mechanical advantage occurring. Especially with a harder kicking caliber.
And it sounds like WMLRF are now being used more often in certain comps.
The MBrace one-piece pretty much just eliminates that potential, uh, “joint” (for lack of a better non-engineer-guy term). At least that’s what its design appears (to me) to do.
I’ll let the engineers chime in with their much more informed opinions. @E. Bryant @308pirate @koshkin
I never got to answer what the better method of mounting scopes was, with the consideration of flex during recoil.
