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View thread Contact supportThe only thing that is in stock is the XTR II with the non-xmas tree reticles. I dont know if I trust placing a backorder for a XTR III or Pro.Seems like some good deals:
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Burris Optics Closeouts
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Why woukd you not trust a backorder?The only thing that is in stock is the XTR II with the non-xmas tree reticles. I dont know if I trust placing a backorder for a XTR III or Pro.
Maybe something that rhymes with Schmiberty popsicle.Why woukd you not trust a backorder?
That doesn't rhyme.Maybe something that rhymes with Schmiberty popsicle.
No kidding, he could have come up with something closer like Bibberty Cocktricks.That doesn't rhyme.
Are you joking? Have you never heard of EuroOptic before? EuroOptic has been around for a VERY long time. They're an exceptional company. They just built a HUGE showroom in PA where they have pretty much one of everything they sell on display for you to get hands-on with. They're one of the most legit optics dealers you can buy from. They even have guys here on the forum that work for them like @Euro.Connor . They're not just some random jackleg selling shit out of his basement/garage like that Liberty Optics douchebag. They actually have a brick & mortar showroom floor.The only thing that is in stock is the XTR II with the non-xmas tree reticles. I dont know if I trust placing a backorder for a XTR III or Pro.
I've had that same scope for over a year now... You're going to like it. At the $1000 sales price, it's almost stupid NOT to buy one. You'll see why once you get it outside and look through it.I guess we get to see what the fuss is a about
@redneckbmxer24 we gotta test this. I have the USA 3-18 and my Steiner too
I suspect the closeout is when burris runs out of stock rather then the dealersI always find that amusing.......is it really a "closeout" when you're taking backorders for new stock to be filled at a later date? Semantics on some level sure, but word choice really does matter.
I grabbed one. The glass is very good, especially for the price. I’d say it is on par with the MK5 and MK6s, maybe slightly better in low light.
Mechanically turrets are very positive, better than my MK6 for sure. I don’t know why folks are crying about the texture on the turrets, maybe spend a day outside your cubicle or harden the fuck up, idk.
I’d say the reticle is optimal between 8-18x. Maybe I’m getting old, but I found the reticle most usable through those power ranges.
I’m pretty impressed by it at the sub $1000 price range. Might look at an XTR Pro for my next boltgun build.
I’m sure this might have been mentioned somewhere in the last 4 pages of this thread, but do any of you know how a XTR III or Pro compares to a Cronus BTR? I have a Cronus BTR and I really like it and I’m looking for another scope for a 20” 308 build. A 3-18 would work great and I don’t really need the power of the Cronus, but the recent used prices on the Cronus plus the fact I already have one, could sway me unless these XTR III’s in the 3-18 are really that good. Also, if I remember correctly, the 3-18‘s made in the Philippines are better than the dandruff Dan USA made units?
I had a 3.3-18 XTR3i for a short time. Sent it to Burris as it was horrible in low light at or above 15x. They sent it back saying it was withing spec. I sold it right after.I think all the pros and cons of the XTR3i have been touched on ITT. They are solid scopes and IMO they’ve been the best “value” optic around $1000 for the past couple years. Previously that was the Cronus. I suspect the new Leupold mk4 will take that spot. Glass, controls and weight will all be superior to the XTR series. Tradeoff will be FOV. Reticles are in the eye of the beholder.
Since we’re hating on Burris, I’ll say I tried 3 separate XTR pros and was unimpressed with all of them. Marginally better than the XTR3i but not worth the uncharge. Also not a peer to razors, mk5 or nx8/ATACR.
For giggles I sent the video above to Burris custom support and they requested it be returned, shipped it out this week. Be interesting to see if they replace it or if they just return it with the "meets specifications" result and/or if the replacement is significantly better or not. I think their email said return estimates are 5-6 weeks after the product has been received and put into the RMA system, so I'm guessing it could easily be 8 weeks, but I'm in no hurry.
Wonder if the Steiners have dust in them like the Burris line. They are both made at the same facility, Greeley CO?
It looks like one if their soon to be released infinitely adjustable scopes got out into the wild and you are the lucky bastard that got it. Clicks are so passe. You want to come up .02 mils no problem. Checkmate moa fags.Yeah that was one of the first tests I did, so if you clamp it in say something like a Final Scope level from Short Action Precision and watch the reticle on a tall target, the slop isn't "just" slop, it's moving the reticle. If it wasn't, I'd be less concerned. However as it is now esp. with half a click of slop, not only do you have error when you are in between marks, you now have to wonder which 0.1 step you are at if the indicator sits half way between marks. If you look at the dial and it indicates 0.55 mil, did you dial to 0.5 mil click and it's slop up to 0.55, or did you dial to 0.6mil and it's slop down to 0.55. That's the biggest annoyance I've found using it, it seems to settle between indicators naturally, and when it does, you don't know if you are really at the higher or lower one, unless you dial back to zero and count.
Not sure $ has anything to do with it, I've used hundreds of optics from $300 to $3000 over the decades and never had one have this much free slop in it. Vast majority of my optics cost less than this, never been a problem. Seems to be a weakness of the XTR III design since quite a few others have reported similar issues. Still totally unacceptable for what is a $1000+ optic street price. I don't even mind that they let a lemon out of the shop, happens to every manufacturer, tolerance stacking and all that, but to consider it acceptable and not bother to fix it is a pretty poor statement about Burris as a company. Not only that but they were given the same video before I sent it in the first time and they wanted it back for eval/fixing, so they clearly knew what the issue was. If that much slop/lash was acceptable why bother having me send it in twice for repair only to not fix the issue they had me return it for. Then again it's hardly the first iffy report we've seen from Burris's repair shop recently.
Yeah that was one of the first tests I did, so if you clamp it in say something like a Final Scope level from Short Action Precision and watch the reticle on a tall target, the slop isn't "just" slop, it's moving the reticle. If it wasn't, I'd be less concerned. However as it is now esp. with half a click of slop, not only do you have error when you are in between marks, you now have to wonder which 0.1 step you are at if the indicator sits half way between marks. If you look at the dial and it indicates 0.55 mil, did you dial to 0.5 mil click and it's slop up to 0.55, or did you dial to 0.6mil and it's slop down to 0.55. That's the biggest annoyance I've found using it, it seems to settle between indicators naturally, and when it does, you don't know if you are really at the higher or lower one, unless you dial back to zero and count.
Not sure $ has anything to do with it, I've used hundreds of optics from $300 to $3000 over the decades and never had one have this much free slop in it. Vast majority of my optics cost less than this, never been a problem. Seems to be a weakness of the XTR III design since quite a few others have reported similar issues. Still totally unacceptable for what is a $1000+ optic street price. I don't even mind that they let a lemon out of the shop, happens to every manufacturer, tolerance stacking and all that, but to consider it acceptable and not bother to fix it is a pretty poor statement about Burris as a company. Not only that but they were given the same video before I sent it in the first time and they wanted it back for eval/fixing, so they clearly knew what the issue was. If that much slop/lash was acceptable why bother having me send it in twice for repair only to not fix the issue they had me return it for. Then again it's hardly the first iffy report we've seen from Burris's repair shop recently.
Seems even that price range isn’t free from an occasional issue.Folks every scope in the 1000 price range is gonna have flaws and deficiencies, if they didn't they would cost 5 times more.
Well they may have issues, but not so much with deficiencies.ISeems even that price range isn’t free from an occasional issue.
Facts of life!!Guess I'm lucky that spending more aint gonna make me a better shot.
This is certainly true and we see it in manufacturers. Unless you are at alpha prices sacrifices have to be made somewhere, you can't give the best glass, best mechanics, best housing, reasonable weight etc. at $1500 prices, there's no free lunch. So some manufacturers might focus on as much optical quality as possible (I suspect is probably the best are to sell high volume because it's pretty easy to compare optics, but most will never know if their scope dials at 99% or 101%, and most will never use them enough to break. Others might focus on raw durability, others on electronic gadgets.Folks every scope in the 1000 price range is gonna have flaws and deficiencies, if they didn't they would cost 5 times more.
What you as the end user have to do is decide what you can and cannot live with.
Agree. OVERALL the XTR III is an excellent scope for what they’re selling for today. There may be sub $1000 scopes that occasionally will have better turrets or whatever, but as far as the whole package, most are lacking in more than one aspect.Half a tenth. It doesnt look particularly abnormal to me. Granted lash is something that can be felt and measured better than seen. It doesnt look like it woukd hard to figure which tenth it is on. I can't remember a scope that I have used that didn't have some lash in the turrets.
I love my XTR-3, and the glass is very good for the price. And I really like the thickness of the SCR2 reticle.I’ve been eyeballing the xtr3 but I’m going back and forth between a Cronus or maybe even bumping up to a mark5. I looked through a mark5 at the store and I was very impressed. It was really nice.
I’ve been eyeballing the xtr3 but I’m going back and forth between a Cronus or maybe even bumping up to a mark5. I looked through a mark5 at the store and I was very impressed. It was really nice.
No clue...Never looked through one of the P4xi scopes, so can't give any thoughts on that. I wouldn't buy anything made by Leupold, I can tell you that much. But that's my personal opinion.How does it compare to say the Steiner P4xi? I have a lot more time behind the Steiner so it would be an easier comparison for me. Thanks.
I had a P4xi a few years ago (I think it was 4-16x). If I remember correctly, the reticle was really hard to read because of how small it looked and there was a ton of chromatic aberration around the edges. The XTR3i was better in every way except for the stiff parallax knob.How does it compare to say the Steiner P4xi? I have a lot more time behind the Steiner so it would be an easier comparison for me. Thanks.
I asked this same question on here ages ago (before buying both), and had some guy with Burris branded on both his asscheeks nearly have an aneurysm in the responses after. It was somehow sacrilegious to even consider comparing both.I’m sure this might have been mentioned somewhere in the last 4 pages of this thread, but do any of you know how a XTR III or Pro compares to a Cronus BTR? I have a Cronus BTR and I really like it and I’m looking for another scope for a 20” 308 build. A 3-18 would work great and I don’t really need the power of the Cronus, but the recent used prices on the Cronus plus the fact I already have one, could sway me unless these XTR III’s in the 3-18 are really that good. Also, if I remember correctly, the 3-18‘s made in the Philippines are better than the dandruff Dan USA made units?