Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!

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To provide protection,
The two teams shown were good spots (except for visibility of the shooter's roof.
The building with coffee and donuts and the dangerous roof would have been a good spot.
The water tower would have been scary but a good spot.
The building Mrgunsngear suggested would have been a good spot.
The Mazda dealer across the highway would have been a good spot.
Using all of these would have covered the venue 360.
They gave up one and failed.
 
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Rocketvapor said:
Thanks to Mrgunsngear for location of another Sniper team.
Here are the various points of interest.
Only 350 yards from Team 3 to shooter.
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Note tree blocking team one's view.
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I don’t know where you got info about a team on the water tower. There were 4 total teams. 2 SS + 2 LEO. Everything above is correct assuming the shooter dot is doing double duty for the 4th team being inside.
 
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Rumor was another shooter on the water tower so I marked it as a point of interest.
Instead of the Mazda dealer there is a building close to the entrance that is ON the Venue grounds.
US Farm Consolidated Farm Services Agency, about 320 yards due west of Trump.

Remember, the goal was to protect Trump entering, speaking, and leaving.
Leaving the one spot open was a mistake.
 
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I came here looking for a pic of the rifle used to take out DJT
Wondering how he missed - irons, red dot, scope etc
It looks like SS planning and security was poor at best
But based on what's been laid out in 1700+ posts there isn't some big conspiracy here
Dumb luck he got up on that roof and dumb luck he missed
Thank God DJT survived!
 
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chillywig said:
I came here looking for a pic of the rifle used to take out DJT
Wondering how he missed - irons, red dot, scope etc
It looks like SS planning and security was poor at best
But based on what's been laid out in 1700+ posts there isn't some big conspiracy here
Dumb luck he got up on that roof and dumb luck he missed
Thank God DJT survived!
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edit: removed misleading information.
 
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Nachtwolf said:
I heard a rumor that the shot that took him out was 588 yards, from another team. But can't find any confirmation of that anywhere and it seems too far for the venue
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Also saw speculation that was a second suspect from that yardage which was claimed to be from the area of a gymnastics building that had line of sight
 
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I'm going to go out on the very end of the limb here.....

3 shots ....
One thru Trump's ear and on to bust the hydraulic cylinder,

Corey caught one,

David and James were sitting close enough together that the rnd went thru one of them and into the other.

Alternatively....
8 shots....
Trump
Corey
David
James
Cylinder
With 3 just going wild into the dirt?

Some combination of the two scenarios?
Something completely different? Lol
 
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Thunderkok said:
Pic from perspective of third team is what I replied to in post 942 on page 19.
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I thought I had seen something about that but didn't know how far back it was, ty.
Rocketvapor said:
One got hit with two rounds.
But I agree, ear did not stop a round.
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I had seen someone, maybe you, say that before.
I saw in one of the articles I read where it said something like chest and liver but that report seemed a bit off to me.
They specified liver but not what got tore up from the chest shot? Seemed off.
 
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dankcincy said:
I thought I had seen something about that but didn't know how far back it was, ty.

I had seen someone, maybe you, say that before.
I saw in one of the articles I read where it said something like chest and liver but that report seemed a bit off to me.
They specified liver but not what got tore up from the chest shot? Seemed off.
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My guess is the victim with the wounded chest/liver was only shot once. Shot in the chest, temporary cavitation ruptured his liver. I've heard the report that those were two separate wounds; given the apparent wild firing at the end, it just seems unlikely to me that one guy caught two rounds not only in close proximity to each other, but also multiple vital organs, and still survived. Heard he's in an induced coma but praying he pulls through.
 
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mosin46 said:
you guys are finding all kind of stuff. wonder what the fbi is finding (or hiding).
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I'm sure the FBI is finding all the same stuff.

They probably have 2 or three guys combing this site 24/7 so at the very least they see everything posted here.

The difference between here and the FBI what the FBI releases is probably mostly fact.
 
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Rocketvapor said:
To provide protection,
The two teams shown were good spots (except for visibility of the shooter's roof.
The building with coffee and donuts and the dangerous roof would have been a good spot.
The water tower would have been scary but a good spot.
The building Mrgunsngear suggested would have been a good spot.
The Mazda dealer across the highway would have been a good spot.
Using all of these would have covered the venue 360.
They gave up one and failed.
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The coffee and donuts roof was already "Reserved."
 
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chillywig said:
I came here looking for a pic of the rifle used to take out DJT
Wondering how he missed - irons, red dot, scope etc
It looks like SS planning and security was poor at best
But based on what's been laid out in 1700+ posts there isn't some big conspiracy here
Dumb luck he got up on that roof and dumb luck he missed
Thank God DJT survived!
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Was it just dumb luck BlackRock featured Crooks in an ad and also owned the building the donut sqaud was in and the sniper was on?
 
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doubloon said:
I'm sure the FBI is finding al
The difference between here and the FBI what the FBI releases is probably mostly fact.
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I understand the point you're making and you're not wrong in that point, but I personally don't trust the info released by the FBI, or any alphabet agency for that matter, to be strictly fact.
They will only release what they want us to know and what doesn't make them or their bosses look bad.
 
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DocUSMCRetired said:
Just move that combine about 15 feet forward and you would have been good.... Those things are beasts.
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If you look at the overhead, it appears the combine shields the stage from a long wide open section of field. Looks like it was exactly where it should have been.

As for the incompetence of the whole roof thing… unreal. Nothing I can add to the dead nuts commentary here already. I hope careers end. Lots of them.

Sirhr
 
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Nachtwolf said:
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For this to track, we would have to have a 4th bystander hit.
Edit: The angle is all wrong as well. If a shot is coming from a couple hundred feet in the air, it's not going to pass flat across the bleachers like that.
David was by where the rnd impacted the rail. That rnd hitting the rail "could" be evidence that the rnd passed thru.
The rnd hitting the rail would of made it deviate from its path not allowing it to hit the hydraulic cylinder.
That guy that fell is too slim to be James meaning we would need a 4th victim.
It appears that the guy that fell ducked and lost his footing causing him to slip off the seat he was standing on.
 
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PolarisBreach said:
My guess is the victim with the wounded chest/liver was only shot once. Shot in the chest, temporary cavitation ruptured his liver. I've heard the report that those were two separate wounds; given the apparent wild firing at the end, it just seems unlikely to me that one guy caught two rounds not only in close proximity to each other, but also multiple vital organs, and still survived. Heard he's in an induced coma but praying he pulls through.
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Kinda my thought as well. It was one shot that got misreported.
 
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How many shots total are we thinking?
Valid points have been made about the mic picking up the initial shots and the sonic boom. It would explain why the shots sound different between the two videos. That and the difference in the actual processing of the audio and location of the mics in relation to where the shots were broke.
In the cell phone video I'm hearing 10 shots. In the other video, I'm having a hard time telling what's what.

If we break this down using what info we have a consensus on....
We have the shooter (AR-15), CS teams 1 and 2 with CS team 1 being over Trump's left shoulder, 2 being over his right (bolt action for both teams), and 3 being the one with the AR-10.
CS team 1 didn't have a shot being that their view was blocked by the tree. Doesn't mean they didn't take a shot of course, just that it doesn't appear that they had a clear view.
I think it's agreed that the first 3 shots are from the shooter, leaving the next 5 that could of only been from the shooter or CS team 3.
This would leave 2 shots unaccounted for.



 
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Ms Cheeto of the SS might not be qualified to lead an elite force, but is ultimately liable for field commanders that put together protection plans for events in their area, even if those plans are shit and get people killed. If plans start to fall apart, then instant corrections need to be made. Those corrections can't come from a remote leader. They need to come from the field.
WHO PUT THE PLAN TOGETHER? The LOCAL BIG SHOT IN CHARGE. If supporting forces, police from all over, don't like sloped rooftops, don't pay them for crappy performance. Send them home and get someone who can do the job up on that roof.
Shit floats uphill;
"I don't want to go up on that roof, that's OK, just stay inside, but don't eat all the donuts."
The folks that couldn't cut it need to be let go.
Some of the SS were on camera and criticized, why weren't the do-nut cops called out and ridiculed?
Tell me about the SS snipers on the roofs, dressed in black that stayed in place.

Just like a police chief, sheriff, or any other top leader is responsible for what his/her/them crew does.
 
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