Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!

#1,801
Seems to me many folks who work for uncle in so called leadership rolls, are only real good at fucking over the law abiding. Dealing with anything else does not interest them at all. This event is going to change many things, and some will not come out the other side as smug as they are now.
 
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Gunfighter14e2 said:
Yes, plus a rope for so called leadership involved. I'm tired of shit like this and those responsible just getting off fired.
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Unfortunately gross incompetence of political appointees results in ASGH. Leadership will say "We followed the playbook and, well, mistakes happened. Sue us." They'll get their pensions. That's how Byzantine bureaucracies work. They shield their cushy position behind little rules, forms, paperwork, and passing the buck. The head can say "The buck stops with me.... but ultimately, will be told her subordinates need more training and that if there had been more blue-haired women on the team, well this would not have happened. Old white hetero men probably caused this.

So ASGH. When we know that messages should be sent. Careers ended. Not at the bottom. At the top as well. But they insulate themselves... and with the air cover of the media... And the 'investigative agencies' will back that up. Or hide facts and 'what matters' for 'national security' which really means leverage...

There needs to be a huge reform... top down... of every element of the monster that is the bureaucracy. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of worthless paper pushers need to go find work in the private sector. With their lesbian studies degree.

Pathetic fact came out last week after we went through our second massive round of flooding here. Last year our capitol got massively flooded. Vermont got $40 million in 'aid' from FEMA and other shit. The COST to get that aid in overhead and bureaucracy was $80 million. So by the time actual '$$' trickled down from GOVERNMENT into the community... GOVERNMENT had siphoned off 80 million of the total 120 million... that it cost taxpayers. But, hey, our our dumbass leftist commie lying POS Senator (not Bernie the other one) is "outraged and going to do something about it." Bet they give HIM another house and he shuts up.

Need about a 90 percent reduction in the bureaucracy. Including elimination of dozens of cabinet-level agencies and bureaus and departments. Paring it down to a handful of agencies to cover areas of federal responsibility. The rest goes to the states. And localities. And the federal $$ tit needs to dry up. So no more blackmailing or bribing the people with their own money.

But doubt it will happen without a level of upset that will cause more damage than we can imagine. That's the problem with bureaucracies...

Sadly,

Sirhr
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
Unfortunately gross incompetence of political appointees results in ASGH. Leadership will say "We followed the playbook and, well, mistakes happened. Sue us." They'll get their pensions. That's how Byzantine bureaucracies work. They shield their cushy position behind little rules, forms, paperwork, and passing the buck. The head can say "The buck stops with me.... but ultimately, will be told her subordinates need more training and that if there had been more blue-haired women on the team, well this would not have happened. Old white hetero men probably caused this.

So ASGH. When we know that messages should be sent. Careers ended. Not at the bottom. At the top as well. But they insulate themselves... and with the air cover of the media... And the 'investigative agencies' will back that up. Or hide facts and 'what matters' for 'national security' which really means leverage...

There needs to be a huge reform... top down... of every element of the monster that is the bureaucracy. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of worthless paper pushers need to go find work in the private sector. With their lesbian studies degree.

Pathetic fact came out last week after we went through our second massive round of flooding here. Last year our capitol got massively flooded. Vermont got $40 million in 'aid' from FEMA and other shit. The COST to get that aid in overhead and bureaucracy was $80 million. So by the time actual '$$' trickled down from GOVERNMENT into the community... GOVERNMENT had siphoned off 80 million of the total 120 million... that it cost taxpayers. But, hey, our our dumbass leftist commie lying POS Senator (not Bernie the other one) is "outraged and going to do something about it." Bet they give HIM another house and he shuts up.

Need about a 90 percent reduction in the bureaucracy. Including elimination of dozens of cabinet-level agencies and bureaus and departments. Paring it down to a handful of agencies to cover areas of federal responsibility. The rest goes to the states. And localities. And the federal $$ tit needs to dry up. So no more blackmailing or bribing the people with their own money.

But doubt it will happen without a level of upset that will cause more damage than we can imagine. That's the problem with bureaucracies...

Sadly,

Sirhr
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Yes.
 
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dankcincy said:
How many shots total are we thinking?
Valid points have been made about the mic picking up the initial shots and the sonic boom. It would explain why the shots sound different between the two videos. That and the difference in the actual processing of the audio and location of the mics in relation to where the shots were broke.
In the cell phone video I'm hearing 10 shots. In the other video, I'm having a hard time telling what's what.

If we break this down using what info we have a consensus on....
We have the shooter (AR-15), CS teams 1 and 2 with CS team 1 being over Trump's left shoulder, 2 being over his right (bolt action for both teams), and 3 being the one with the AR-10.
CS team 1 didn't have a shot being that their view was blocked by the tree. Doesn't mean they didn't take a shot of course, just that it doesn't appear that they had a clear view.
I think it's agreed that the first 3 shots are from the shooter, leaving the next 5 that could of only been from the shooter or CS team 3.
This would leave 2 shots unaccounted for.



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Currently it’s the 5 middle shots that are up for debate as to their origin since the last two were clearly single shots from a precision rifle implying shots from one of the CS teams.

The cadence was too fast for somebody actually aiming at any distance and more inline with one of the multiple cops wielding K-can equipped ARs putting suppressing fire at the roof to get the shooter to drop his head.
 
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sirhrmechanic said:
Unfortunately gross incompetence of political appointees results in ASGH. Leadership will say "We followed the playbook and, well, mistakes happened. Sue us." They'll get their pensions. That's how Byzantine bureaucracies work. They shield their cushy position behind little rules, forms, paperwork, and passing the buck. The head can say "The buck stops with me.... but ultimately, will be told her subordinates need more training and that if there had been more blue-haired women on the team, well this would not have happened. Old white hetero men probably caused this.

So ASGH. When we know that messages should be sent. Careers ended. Not at the bottom. At the top as well. But they insulate themselves... and with the air cover of the media... And the 'investigative agencies' will back that up. Or hide facts and 'what matters' for 'national security' which really means leverage...

There needs to be a huge reform... top down... of every element of the monster that is the bureaucracy. Tens if not hundreds of thousands of worthless paper pushers need to go find work in the private sector. With their lesbian studies degree.

Pathetic fact came out last week after we went through our second massive round of flooding here. Last year our capitol got massively flooded. Vermont got $40 million in 'aid' from FEMA and other shit. The COST to get that aid in overhead and bureaucracy was $80 million. So by the time actual '$$' trickled down from GOVERNMENT into the community... GOVERNMENT had siphoned off 80 million of the total 120 million... that it cost taxpayers. But, hey, our our dumbass leftist commie lying POS Senator (not Bernie the other one) is "outraged and going to do something about it." Bet they give HIM another house and he shuts up.

Need about a 90 percent reduction in the bureaucracy. Including elimination of dozens of cabinet-level agencies and bureaus and departments. Paring it down to a handful of agencies to cover areas of federal responsibility. The rest goes to the states. And localities. And the federal $$ tit needs to dry up. So no more blackmailing or bribing the people with their own money.

But doubt it will happen without a level of upset that will cause more damage than we can imagine. That's the problem with bureaucracies...

Sadly,

Sirhr
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Agree with most of that, but I've heard and seen of bottom up change,
4/19/1775,
8/1/1946, Athens Tenn
Seen bottom up change at many company's once the employees had a belly full, with two company's folding all together. This event could bring bottom up change, across the board,...
 
#1,807
Goofy speculation based on sound bytes is hilarious and stupid. Positional physics answers the questions of shot origination. Yes, I'm an actual expert in both.

Social midget shot Trump and crowd and was quickly (not quickly enough) made DRT. No good evidence of two shooters. Mountain of evidence of one asshole and a few keystone cops.
 
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Mike Islander said:
Goofy speculation based on sound bytes is hilarious and stupid. Positional physics answers the questions of shot origination. Yes, I'm an actual expert in both.

Social midget shot Trump and crowd and was quickly (not quickly enough) made DRT. No good evidence of two shooters. Mountain of evidence of one asshole and a few keystone cops.
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Everyone looking at this is looking at the same things.
It can't be stupid and hilarious for one group of people and not the other.
 
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Before they had unlocked his phone, and before they had interviewed anyone associated with him the FBI’s official statement was that he acted alone.

Their first reaction (like any .gov) is to lie and have their PR arm start to try to shape the story before they know anything.

Honestly, any of you who believe what they say before you’ve seen the evidence for yourself are naive idiots who’ve apprarently missed the last ten years.
 
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Gunfighter14e2 said:
Agree with most of that, but I've heard and seen of bottom up change,
4/19/1775,
8/1/1946, Athens Tenn
Seen bottom up change at many company's once the employees had a belly full, with two company's folding all together. This event could bring bottom up change, across the board,...
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If so, it will likely be very very messy
 
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TexPatriot said:
No, but I see what looks to be Yernick's hair and dark mustache stubble.

Yernick wear glasses? Crook wasn't wearing glasses in his range photo holding his father's AR.
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IMO, and do whatever you want with your thought and time, but the Yernick thing is a dead end. His name was only brought up in the hours before they released Crook's name because the autists on 4chan were digging through antifa anti-trump prior offenders and he looks somewhat similar to Crooks' blasted dead head.

You have video and photographs of obviously Crooks there that day and PID after the fact from the FBI. Multiple independent sources pointing to Crooks, and only half of some of the facial features pointing to Yernick, who is otherwise completely uninvolved whatsoever with this event as far as I'm aware.
 
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Fig said:
Before they had unlocked his phone, and before they had interviewed anyone associated with him the FBI’s official statement was that he acted alone.

Their first reaction (like any .gov) is to lie and have their PR arm start to try to shape the story before they know anything.

Honestly, any of you who believe what they say before you’ve seen the evidence for yourself are naive idiots who’ve apprarently missed the last ten years.
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Honestly, any of you who believe what they say before you’ve seen the evidence for yourself are naive idiots who’ve apprarently missed the last thirty-six years (heck...longer).
 
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Ledzep said:
IMO, and do whatever you want with your thought and time, but the Yernick thing is a dead end. His name was only brought up in the hours before they released Crook's name because the autists on 4chan were digging through antifa anti-trump prior offenders and he looks somewhat similar to Crooks' blasted dead head.

You have video and photographs of obviously Crooks there that day and PID after the fact from the FBI. Multiple independent sources pointing to Crooks, and only half of some of the facial features pointing to Yernick, who is otherwise completely uninvolved whatsoever with this event as far as I'm aware.
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No I don't. There is a still shot of Crooks from above crawling on what appears to be a concrete footing on the ground and some blurred out images of someone proned out on the roof.

The one better image looks more like Yernick from the side. The dead shooter looks more like Yernick.
 
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dankcincy said:
I understand the point you're making and you're not wrong in that point, but I personally don't trust the info released by the FBI, or any alphabet agency for that matter, to be strictly fact.
They will only release what they want us to know and what doesn't make them or their bosses look bad.
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I tend to believe most of what they release will be absolutely true because with the resources available today it's too easy for a group of savvy citizens to fact check and cross check.

They don't really need to "lie". All they need to do is just not release everything they find and not confirm things found by the public to be true. The bulk of shitposters on the internet with the same MSM fervor for being first rather than right will take care of the rest. Every teenage espionage wet dream will float to the top and wash away the rest of the facts for them.
 
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Mike Islander said:
Goofy speculation based on sound bytes is hilarious and stupid. Positional physics answers the questions of shot origination. Yes, I'm an actual expert in both.

Social midget shot Trump and crowd and was quickly (not quickly enough) made DRT. No good evidence of two shooters. Mountain of evidence of one asshole and a few keystone cops.
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I agree with you.
I’m not an expert, but did work with PA systems weekly for years. Indoors and outdoors.
Between the first 3 shots and the next 5? a lot changes.
Notably, people start screaming and yelling and getting down.
Trump isn’t talking into the mic.
Etc.
 
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BytorJr said:
Honestly, any of you who believe what they say before you’ve seen the evidence for yourself are naive idiots who’ve apprarently missed the last thirty-six years (heck...longer).
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Walter Cronkite said the Warren Commission Report was completely credible and the notion there was any other shooter besides LHO in Dallas "is preposterous."
 
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TexPatriot said:
No I don't. There is a still shot of Crooks from above crawling on what appears to be a concrete footing on the ground and some blurred out images of someone proned out on the roof.

The one better image looks more like Yernick from the side. The dead shooter looks more like Yernick.
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Where is Yernick being brought into the conversation from? A 2016 news report.

Look at the density of facial hair, look at the right upper ear. Consider that there is some skeletal re-alignment and heavy tissue damage. Sorry dude, doesn't pencil out. I'd be looking more into Crooks' connections if a guy wants to spend time digging. That part seems to be locked down from public access at the current...
 
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TexPatriot said:
Walter Cronkite said the Warren Report was credible and the notion there was any other shooter besides LHO in Dallas "is preposterous."
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Yea, well he also said he was on XXX op as well, and we know damn well he wasn't. He is the first agenda presenter I/we caught lying back in the late 60's
 
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Added a straight line to make this a little easier to see the path and how everything lines up.
Bullet path.jpg


There's also people saying they were unaware of a 3rd CS team. I remember seeing this photo early in the thread, I think someone posted it from Arfcom.
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I added the yellow square because that is likely where the shooter was, not the left side as noted previously in that picture. Note the building between the CS shooter and Crooks. Looks alot like this is the position of the 3rd CS team:

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Approx. 315m shot.
 
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ran the video of the shots through audacity. counted 9 shots. numbers are the shots, letters are the impacts. odd thing is shots 4,5&6 are at the same amplitude, but louder than shots 1,2&3 (multiple shooters at different locations?), and their impacts amplitude rises, and shot 6's impact is closer than 4&5.

shots 7&8 are from a larger calibre, their impacts dont show up like the shooters impacts, but the question mark i have just after shot 8 sounds like an auto, not semi auto that the cs2 team was supposedly using (.308). could possibly be impact, but the time doesnt make sense. is the .308 faster than the 5.56? its like a roll theyre that quick, they dont sound like impacts, they might be.

then the elephant in the room, shot 9. it has the same sound as the shooters weapon but theres no impact?


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Gee Kay said:
ran the video of the shots through audacity. counted 9 shots. numbers are the shots, letters are the impacts. odd thing is shots 4,5&6 are at the same amplitude, but louder than shots 1,2&3 (multiple shooters at different locations?), and their impacts amplitude rises, and shot 6's impact is closer than 4&5.

shots 7&8 are from a larger calibre, their impacts dont show up like the shooters impacts, but the question mark i have just after shot 8 sounds like an auto, not semi auto that the cs2 team was supposedly using (.308). could possibly be impact, but the time doesnt make sense. is the .308 faster than the 5.56? its like a roll theyre that quick, they dont sound like impacts, they might be.

then the elephant in the room, shot 9. it has the same sound as the shooters weapon but theres no impact?


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Which video did you use?
 
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Ledzep said:
Where is Yernick being brought into the conversation from? A 2016 news report.

Look at the density of facial hair, look at the right upper ear. Consider that there is some skeletal re-alignment and heavy tissue damage. Sorry dude, doesn't pencil out. I'd be looking more into Crooks' connections if a guy wants to spend time digging. That part seems to be locked down from public access at the current...
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Bullets don't make a person look like anither person and create ear guage scars. Not sure where Yerick was introduced.

There has been no comment from Crook's family, as if they're being well insulated from the usuall media mob. Has anyone presented them with the dead sniper's photo and asked is this your son?
 
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So if this news graphic is correct, the whole narrative the CS team from the video didn’t have a shot at him is blown.

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So who TF decides Pres. Trump's rally locations, Joe Biden, Obama?

WTF was some parade ground chosen with Trump's podium located 130yds from a BlackRock owned building where a poster boy featured in a BlackRock ad could crawl up on uncontested and shoot the Pres.?
 
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Let's take a trip down memory lane. Raise your hand if you remember the scandal with the SS involving some soiled doves.

The stories below are posted in chronological order.

www.bbc.com

US Secret Service Cartagena scandal 'involved 20 women'

A prostitution scandal involving US Secret Service agents in Cartagena, Colombia, involved as many as 20 women, US Senator Susan Collins says.
www.bbc.com

This next story from 14 years ago makes me laugh cause it's a foreshadowing of the current DEI insanity.

www.nbcnews.com

Secret Service prostitute scandal highlights lack of women in agency

www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

www.washingtonian.com

Secret Service Prostitution Scandal: One Year Later - Washingtonian

When Mark Sullivan retired in February as the 22nd director of the Secret Service, he surely wanted to be remembered for three decades of faithfully protecting Presidents, candidates for national office, and other high-ranking officials. But most Americans will remember...
www.washingtonian.com www.washingtonian.com

Five years after the revelation of bedroom fun with the "professional" women someone still remembers it.


Now let's not forget some other paradigms of virtue in government service.

nypost.com

Network of ‘sophisticated high-end brothels’ catered to politicians, military officials: feds

A network of “sophisticated high-end brothels” frequented by politicians, military officials and government contractors is being investigated by federal authorities, the Justice Department announce…
nypost.com nypost.com

I'm surprised that Garland's DOJ actually found time to go after someone else besides Trump!


...and someone in the FBI no less!


It's not necessarily a DEI problem. It's a moral problem and a lack of common sense.
 
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theLBC said:
nice to see that reaction from the public.

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And why didn't they clear the ER too? Those folks almost walked right up to him. Maybe I'm expecting too much here. Yes, they knew he wasn't in dire need of life/death medical attention; but quite laxidasical and I think the one who couldn't holster is out in front of the SUV.

This gets more unreal by the hour.

Agree on the reaction though!!
 
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doubloon said:
I tend to believe most of what they release will be absolutely true because with the resources available today it's too easy for a group of savvy citizens to fact check and cross check.

They don't really need to "lie". All they need to do is just not release everything they find and not confirm things found by the public to be true. The bulk of shitposters on the internet with the same MSM fervor for being first rather than right will take care of the rest. Every teenage espionage wet dream will float to the top and wash away the rest of the facts for them.
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Awesome movie….
 
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Longshot231 said:
Let's take a trip down memory lane. Raise your hand if you remember the scandal with the SS involving some soiled doves.

The stories below are posted in chronological order.

www.bbc.com

US Secret Service Cartagena scandal 'involved 20 women'

A prostitution scandal involving US Secret Service agents in Cartagena, Colombia, involved as many as 20 women, US Senator Susan Collins says.
www.bbc.com

This next story from 14 years ago makes me laugh cause it's a foreshadowing of the current DEI insanity.

www.nbcnews.com

Secret Service prostitute scandal highlights lack of women in agency

www.nbcnews.com www.nbcnews.com

www.washingtonian.com

Secret Service Prostitution Scandal: One Year Later - Washingtonian

When Mark Sullivan retired in February as the 22nd director of the Secret Service, he surely wanted to be remembered for three decades of faithfully protecting Presidents, candidates for national office, and other high-ranking officials. But most Americans will remember...
www.washingtonian.com www.washingtonian.com

Five years after the revelation of bedroom fun with the "professional" women someone still remembers it.


Now let's not forget some other paradigms of virtue in government service.

nypost.com

Network of ‘sophisticated high-end brothels’ catered to politicians, military officials: feds

A network of “sophisticated high-end brothels” frequented by politicians, military officials and government contractors is being investigated by federal authorities, the Justice Department announce…
nypost.com nypost.com

I'm surprised that Garland's DOJ actually found time to go after someone else besides Trump!


...and someone in the FBI no less!


It's not necessarily a DEI problem. It's a moral problem and a lack of common sense.
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Just out of curiosity…. Which agents were in Bill Clinton’s detail when he went to Epstein Island?

I mean…. He didn’t go alone? Did he? Did he?

Sirhr
 
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Gee Kay said:
is the .308 faster than the 5.56?
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Depends on the load but generally .308 is slower with COTS ammo. Snipers might be using a load that's closer to matching COTS 5.56 speeds.

Shot 9, if it's the sniper's weapon, was likely a suppressed weapon.

From 150ish yards away the sonic crack might be louder than the muzzle report and the crack would arrive at the location of recording before the muzzle report.

It's possible the peaks you're seeing are the cracks and not the muzzle, if he's spraying fire under duress the origin of the crack may be changing in relation to the microphone doing the recording.

Also phone microphones are not a meter. Phone microphones are notorious for clipping max volume, just watch any JJ Fu suppressor video reporting 50+ dB suppression.
 
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