Shots Fired At President Trump's Butler PA Rally!

?????

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The place is a wreck, the crowd is gone, president's been shot and has left... and the rifle is still in position?
Am I wrong?


(I mean besides the lighting looking like shit.)
 
Perhaps it was a .22lr “AR style”? Sadly we may never know. It bet it gets spun as an “assault rifle”. The only evidence I’ve seen pointing the contrary is the civilian responder to the person that died, and his description of the wound. One of the rounds also severed a hydraulic line on a forklift holding up speakers about another 50-60yd beyond the stage.
Yea I saw that oil spray from lift in one of videos too.
 
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It WAS a 5.56 AR, NOT a 22LR.
Was anyone able to ID the brand of Range finder he was carrying (illegal in Pa.) an hour before the speech?
And the nerve, to actually look up at the building. Just why wasn't he hooked then?
Two vehicles, at least were parked over by the building.
How many LEO were inside (2nd floor snack room) that they couldn't take turns on the sloped roof?
Did Ms Cheeto TELL them not to go on the roof, or was she TOLD, they shouldn't, wouldn't, couldn't acause they was skeered?

Schuttlebutt overheard "slopey roof, pass it along".
(what, 13 different agencies?)
 
This thread is over 1900 posts long. So much missed by many :(
It WAS a 5.56 AR, NOT a 22LR.
Was anyone able to ID the brand of Range finder he was carrying (illegal in Pa.) an hour before the speech?
And the nerve, to actually look up at the building. Just why wasn't he hooked then?
Two vehicles, at least were parked over by the building.
How many LEO were inside (2nd floor snack room) that they couldn't take turns on the sloped roof?
Did Ms Cheeto TELL them not to go on the roof, or was she TOLD, they shouldn't, wouldn't, couldn't acause they was skeered?
She (The Director) didn't know shit until it hit the fan.
 

I was watching that interview here:

While are multiple reports of Crooks being highly intelligent, it really doesn't pass the smell test for me. Know a lot of 12 year olds that are that politically minded towards what would be considered a fringe/nuanced level? Let alone a class of 7th-8th graders discussing politics? Had he claimed it was in 2020 when he was 16, maybe. Drivers licenses, first job, taxes taken from paychecks, being able to vote in 2 more years; the reality and interaction with the adult world is there, not at 12 years old.
 
This thread is over 1900 posts long. So much missed by many :(
It WAS a 5.56 AR, NOT a 22LR.
Was anyone able to ID the brand of Range finder he was carrying (illegal in Pa.) an hour before the speech?
And the nerve, to actually look up at the building. Just why wasn't he hooked then?
Two vehicles, at least were parked over by the building.
How many LEO were inside (2nd floor snack room) that they couldn't take turns on the sloped roof?
Did Ms Cheeto TELL them not to go on the roof, or was she TOLD, they shouldn't, wouldn't, couldn't acause they was skeered?

Schuttlebutt overheard "slopey roof, pass it along".
(what, 13 different agencies?)
Range finders are illegal in PA?
 
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I'm going to go out on the very end of the limb here.....

3 shots ....
One thru Trump's ear and on to bust the hydraulic cylinder,

Corey caught one,

David and James were sitting close enough together that the rnd went thru one of them and into the other.

Alternatively....
8 shots....
Trump
Corey
David
James
Cylinder
With 3 just going wild into the dirt?

Some combination of the two scenarios?
Something completely different? Lol
Local LE said their sniper took a shot (but missed) and the officer is on administrative leave (SOP).
 
This thread is over 1900 posts long. So much missed by many :(
It WAS a 5.56 AR, NOT a 22LR.
Was anyone able to ID the brand of Range finder he was carrying (illegal in Pa.) an hour before the speech?
And the nerve, to actually look up at the building. Just why wasn't he hooked then?
Two vehicles, at least were parked over by the building.
How many LEO were inside (2nd floor snack room) that they couldn't take turns on the sloped roof?
Did Ms Cheeto TELL them not to go on the roof, or was she TOLD, they shouldn't, wouldn't, couldn't acause they was skeered?

Schuttlebutt overheard "slopey roof, pass it along".
(what, 13 different agencies?)
Rangefinders are illegal to use for hunting in PA... not illegal to use and have.

And in addition to all your excellent points... Dammit folks... stop recycling the memes from nine pages ago?

'Hiders... if you are going to meme here... at least be original.



Because it sucks to be unoriginal.

Sirhr
 
This thread is over 1900 posts long. So much missed by many :(
It WAS a 5.56 AR, NOT a 22LR.
Was anyone able to ID the brand of Range finder he was carrying (illegal in Pa.) an hour before the speech?
And the nerve, to actually look up at the building. Just why wasn't he hooked then?
Two vehicles, at least were parked over by the building.
How many LEO were inside (2nd floor snack room) that they couldn't take turns on the sloped roof?
Did Ms Cheeto TELL them not to go on the roof, or was she TOLD, they shouldn't, wouldn't, couldn't acause they was skeered?

Schuttlebutt overheard "slopey roof, pass it along".
(what, 13 different agencies?)
Wait, it is illegal to possess a rangefinder in PA?
 
women with big hips have problems with holsters.
Tips in, Gun has to pass the fat.
Muffin Top does help to keep the gun in the holster while moving around though.
My guess is she was the newest member of the group.
Maybe gain some experience at the mall.

Years back, listening to the local Sheriff's on a scanner, a chase through forest roads, I heard a huffing and puffing Deputy call,
"got to stop, I'm going back to arrest the car":)
Fat belongs at a desk, or a bench.
All USSS Uniformed Agents have 4 months of travel per year, and will do PPD at some point. They all get cycled through to someone, somewhere. It isn't malicious.
 
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This thread is over 1900 posts long. So much missed by many :(
It WAS a 5.56 AR, NOT a 22LR.
Was anyone able to ID the brand of Range finder he was carrying (illegal in Pa.) an hour before the speech?
And the nerve, to actually look up at the building. Just why wasn't he hooked then?
Two vehicles, at least were parked over by the building.
How many LEO were inside (2nd floor snack room) that they couldn't take turns on the sloped roof?
Did Ms Cheeto TELL them not to go on the roof, or was she TOLD, they shouldn't, wouldn't, couldn't acause they was skeered?

Schuttlebutt overheard "slopey roof, pass it along".
(what, 13 different agencies?)

Why are range finders illegal in PA?
 
"Was anyone able to ID the brand of Range finder he was carrying (illegal in Pa.) an hour before the speech?"
Didn't mean to start a tangent here. I mentioned it (tongue in cheek) because an "X" link showed the shooter, implied a range finder, and the police let him go.'
I mean, no question it was him, and they let him go.
Good thing he didn't have Night Vision :)
 


Posted this AM... and the whole piece makes interesting reading.

Where is the FTC looking at these stock transactions? Who was trying to... pardon my french... make a killing?

If this was the case, then some folks lost their shirts!

Wonder how much Pelosi was betting against Truth Social, etc?

Just wondering....

Sirhr

HRC said, "Yeah, put me down for forty large."

Also, I am reminded of the gigantic put options on the insurance companies of United Airlines and American Airlines on Friday 09-07-2001.

FTC most definitely did not track that.
 
I was watching that interview here:

While are multiple reports of Crooks being highly intelligent, it really doesn't pass the smell test for me. Know a lot of 12 year olds that are that politically minded towards what would be considered a fringe/nuanced level? Let alone a class of 7th-8th graders discussing politics? Had he claimed it was in 2020 when he was 16, maybe. Drivers licenses, first job, taxes taken from paychecks, being able to vote in 2 more years; the reality and interaction with the adult world is there, not at 12 years old.
Look no further than the parents. No doubt he got his indoctrination from them. The parents created this monster, but maybe figured he'd never have the balls to go through with it. The parents are already playing CYA by saying that they didn't think he was very politically minded, but also admitted they didn't know what was going on in his life lately. Behind closed doors, I'm sure his parents are just as hateful as he was. I hope they get destroyed in the civil suit.
 
Didn't mean to start a tangent here. I mentioned it because an "X" link showed the shooter, implied a range finder, and the police let him go.'
I mean, no question it was him, and they let him go.
Good thing he didn't have Night Vision :)
The range finder mention was from local LE in the 2 story building watching him be a squirrel, is why the overhead picture of Crooks was taken. They lost sight of him after.

The "locked eyes" with the closer USSS CS team while doing so does have the ring of truth in hindsight. They went from bino use to being on their rifles.
 
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The thing for me, is that yes, watching some of the on-camera response shows some glaring incompetence, but I just can't get to the point of agreeing it explains everything; it's just too much of a leap.

The best I can arrive at, is LIHOP (let it happen on purpose).

Some big media (MSNBC, CNN and key political figures), have been stoking for 8 years, language and phrasing, where they were clearly hoping and praying some deranged nutjob would take to heart and take a shot at Trump; it is very clear many of them were praying their rhetoric would elicit this exact response from one of their more rabid followers. They know anyone that buys their drivel is probably stupid and may be willing to try, eventually. Like Tucker mentioned awhile back, I figured it was a guaranteed eventuality that some dipshit, lunatic, left-winger would go overboard, and here we are, success in their minds.

What I can't get past, in this "just incompetence," theory is that the most obvious, closest sniper position was left wide open, after being perused by SWAT with a ladder...you really think a professional security SS team would all just go up there with their ladder, take a look at the very easy sniper vantage, at very near zeroing-range that any moderate novice could probably hit a paper plate 9 out of 10 shots, and say, "Nah, this doesn't need to be secured, let's just leave the ladder here and forget about it?"

Never mind the other info coming out where they may have gotten eyes on him way beforehand, using a rangefinder and such, or members of the crowd yelling about a dude with a rifle, and the rest of the ridiculousness, I can't get to "simple incompetence" with that one fact; it's just too much to believe that SS, counter-sniper professionals and planners would let that slide or just somehow overlook the most obvious vantage, so close to an obvious target (given the decade of stoking rhetoric) and go even further as to leave implements to make it even easier (like the ladder).

I just can't. I won't go so far as to say they hired a hitter, as this kid was surely not a guaranteed shot and wasn't super-skilled, but I'm leaning toward, "someone was hoping a lunatic would take the bait and take a shot, someday, and when that day comes, we'll 'accidentally' make it slightly easier and see what happens." Because we also know, no matter how bad the fuckup looks, nobody will actually pay for any supposed 'incompetence' that will surely be shown, because, well, it's the Fed baby, nobody pays!
Agreed. As I have also said, plenty of incompetence, even if it was an inside job and certainly elements of LIHOP.

Spend 8 years painting one guy as being as bad or worse than Hitler and the "end of democracy" and this is what you get. Then. mister potatohead said "We need to put Trump in the bull's eye."

And here is this yahoo saying, "Yes sir, Mister President" in action, if not in word. Look at the people online who either celebrate that someone tried or criticize for missing. Technically, he did not miss. Whether he was aiming at the head or center mass, he hit the president.

I also see how they seem to leave the most obvious and easy position to snipe the Pres and they have no one covering that. In fact, the CS team is in the one spot where they cannot see everything. Mayorkas should be fired immediately. Unless it was from his direct orders, in which case, we need some more rope.
 
I thought the following day was a weekday because the streets were desolute. I remember sitting glued to a grainy black and white TV still in shock like most America watching events unfold and saw Lee Harvey Oswald shot on Live TV. I remember the newscaster said the shooter's name was Jack Rubenstein.

As far as your points 2 - 3, I don't know what to tell you other than it sounds like you grew up among a bunch of trash.
I grew up in the South in the 50's and 60's. If you were from Texas you'd understand what I was saying. We experienced segregation, de-segregation and the Civil Rights movement. Growing up in Washington state I'll forgive your naievte and slanted views. If you paid attention, you would have seen my quote, "Sad as it is, it is true." As with most liberals, feelings trump the truth and attack if you're questioned . It seems that you can take the boy out of Washington, but you can't take the Washington out of the boy.
 
Maybe because all the hard facts aren't really available and people keep posting guesses and misinformation ... and memes ... lots of memes
But memes are entertaining:). But yeah. The information is still spotty and we don’t have all the facts. This is going to take a long time to unravel all of the details because pretty much of what is out there are videos and eye witness accounts. Very little has been let out as far as detail by law enforcement. So far from what I gather we know:

1.) 20 year old loner kid who was bullied in school and tried out for the rifle team and didn’t make it, was a registered Republican but donated to left wing causes and followed mostly left wing accounts on his now deleted Instagram. His social media presence has been scrubbed and they are telling us that he didn’t have one.
2.) the shooters phone was recovered and broken in to but nothing was released
3.) the shooter untiized a 223/556 AR-15 style rifle with a scope
4.) the shooter was photographed and noted earlier to have a laser range finder well before the shooting.
5.) a officer was getting up on the roof right before the shooting and was said to have fallen back before he could get to the shooter/the shooter had pointed a rifle at him?
6.) evidently the SS deemed the slope of the roof to be too much to plant one of their snipers/officers up o top of it
7.) LE staged their operations in the building that the shooter used
8.) the distance of the shot was approximately 150 yards
9.) the shooter got off multiple rounds before being neutralized. One person dead and two seriously injured alongside President Trump who was grazed with a bullet by his ear
10.) the SS said that the local police was responsible for the perimeter of the event and the local police is now saying they were not.

Those are all of the known “facts ” to me off the top of my head. I am sure I am missing some but I think that’s not a lot of detail available. I for one keep participating in this thread because I am just so angry about it. A family man died covering his family and a former President of the USA was almost killed to what seems like to me a totally preventable circumstance. I don’t think I have been this angry about a political subject in my life. Maybe that is just me but I am almost still like did that really happen? Surreal
 


Posted this AM... and the whole piece makes interesting reading.

Where is the FTC looking at these stock transactions? Who was trying to... pardon my french... make a killing?

If this was the case, then some folks lost their shirts!

Wonder how much Pelosi was betting against Truth Social, etc?

Just wondering....

Sirhr

I wouldn’t worry too much about a lot of these shorts. The DJT stock is viewed as a meme stock like GameStop by a lot of traders, so it gets lots of plays. The one that does stand out to me, though, is the one player who had something like an $8 million short position. That’s not chump change, it’s institutional money. That’s who I want identified.
 
I've never heard of a range finder being illegal in PA?
I was thinking what kind gay fudd crap is that?

Then , I remember that in 4 counties in Texas, you cannot hunt deer on public land with a crossbow unless you have a doctor's note to explain why charging and operating a crossbow can be done and how you cannot use a compound or simple recurve bow. There is no explanation given in the rules, it's just there.
 
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But memes are entertaining

They are.

#2 I wasn't aware they had cracked his phone but it was inevitable, news to me
#3 somebody claimed it was an unmagnified EOTech or EOTech-like, I don't have hard evidence for one over the other
#10 I've seen mixed claims but I thought the incompetent lady in charge said this morning she accepts full responsibility since she was in charge

The rest sounds about like what I've heard/read.
 
I wouldn’t worry too much about a lot of these shorts. The DJT stock is viewed as a meme stock like GameStop by a lot of traders, so it gets lots of plays. The one that does stand out to me, though, is the one player who had something like an $8 million short position. That’s not chump change, it’s institutional money. That’s who I want identified.


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