This is a short action, not a 300 WM?
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View thread Contact supportMk13 mod 7 uses a Stiller Mk13 action and slighty diff AI chassis than the Countersniper rifles. The SS CS rifles use a Remington action. They are very similar in appearance at a glance but not the same.What is the real difference between the Mk 13 Mod 7 and the "JAR"?
Likely the gen 1 cole-tac cheat sheet, the nylon+velcro isn't very stiff. Doesn't take much of a nudge to knock mine into that position.What are these? One looks like rack sticker or something?
But what is the bigger “card?”
Doesn’t look like a dope card?
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Several years ago I shot a coastal blacktail deer, at about 60 yards, just above the nose with a pretty spicy 140 gr Barnes TSX from a 270 winchester. You couldn’t even see the entrance wound in the “trophy pic.” The exit wound was approximately the size of a walnut, and the brain had been removed. The scull had broken in a couple of places- including the “skull cap” between the antlers. I had to push the eyes back into the sockets, but the picture of the dead deer showed essentially no damage.That’s appears to be a long action. the pic of the shooter doesn’t look like it was a 300 that hit his head to me. Could be wrong, things are still dynamic, but I would I have expected much more of his head to be gone.
Bet they're already sold out ;-)Likely the gen 1 cole-tac cheat sheet, the nylon+velcro isn't very stiff. Doesn't take much of a nudge to knock mine into that position.
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The Gen 1 versions will likely climb in value LoLBet they're already sold out ;-)
The newest hot accessory since the cat-tail and claw feet! I mean... since Saturday that is!
Thanks! As always, the Vintage Section is where the real dope is !!
Sirhr
Several years ago I shot a coastal blacktail deer, at about 60 yards, just above the nose with a pretty spicy 140 gr Barnes TSX from a 270 winchester. You couldn’t even see the entrance wound in the “trophy pic.” The exit wound was approximately the size of a walnut, and the brain had been removed. The scull had broken in a couple of places- including the “skull cap” between the antlers. I had to push the eyes back into the sockets, but the picture of the dead deer showed essentially no damage.
If the bullet from the counter sniper indeed impacted the shooter in the mouth, it is possible that the worst of the outwardly visible signs of damage (eyes dangling from their “stalks”) was avoided.
That said, bullets do weird things sometimes and the visible signs of trauma can’t always be predicted.
@Lowlight pick up the white courtesy phone. Lowlight... there is a call on the white courtesy phone.300 with a tungsten bullet....
Frank G could probably get that verified by his source that gets barrels from him if he wanted to add in. Frank would probably be told the same thing that came to us.
Frank Green..@Lowlight pick up the white courtesy phone. Lowlight... there is a call on the white courtesy phone.
Sirhr
Frank Green is already here... He'll weigh in and I never question his judgement. Talk about the varsity!Fr
Frank Green..
Not Frank Midget
Sumboddyz reading comprehension skillz... hmmm
I haven't heard back yet. I tried 3 different guys. Only one got back to me. He did say that they still have some 300wm guns in service but not sure what was used. He got back to me in like 15 minutes.Frank Green is already here... He'll weigh in and I never question his judgement. Talk about the varsity!
And I remember that FG mentioned that 6.5 is the current barrel of choice for the USSS guns. And honestly I don't know the latest versions or calibers. Heck, I was still thinking the USSS was using 7mm Mags. Which were really popular when Pablo went all 'rooftop ornament.' Ummmmm 7mm mag!
But since the HMFWIC is pretty plugged into the community. And managed to send us photos of the 'dental work' within minutes of the shot... I figure he 'might' have something add. Never seen him come up short with info... Yes, I went there.
There ya go!
Sirhr
Those patches are huge!Just a flex....
Rem 700 LA
Schneider Max Heavy Contour Barrel - 7mm Rem Mag
M40 Recoil Lug
McMillan A3 stock with 3 way adjustable butt stock
Badger Scope base and Max Rings (waiting on the SIMRAD Cap from Marty)
Harris Bipod
Leupold Mark 4 10x Scope, M1 turrets, Mildot Reticle.
This is the specs I got a few years ago - Not sure it's 100% spec but it's close enough for meView attachment 8461966
Or the gun is smaller than you expect! Concealed carryThose patches are huge!
Or the gun is smaller than you expect! Concealed carry
300 with a tungsten bullet....
Frank G could probably get that verified by his source that gets barrels from him if he wanted to add in. Frank would probably be told the same thing that came to us.
Whatever was used or seen around that day will triple in price.The Gen 1 versions will likely climb in value LoL
“The guns also have to be capable of being configured for right and left-handed shooters.”Looks like SS SC wants a new rifle
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Secret Service Wants New Sniper Rifles
The new modular rifles will be able to quickly switch among four different cartridges and will feature a two-to-three-pound trigger pull.www.twz.com
I think the McMillan Alias has an ambi bolt that can be installed for left hand or right hand shooters. So perhaps they're looking for something similar...“The guns also have to be capable of being configured for right and left-handed shooters.”
Huh?
It's the same thing they used to disqualify the Desert Tech in the PSR/ASR program.It's the same thing they used to disqualify the Desert Tech in the PSR/ASR program.“The guns also have to be capable of being configured for right and left-handed shooters.”
Huh?
I can't speak for the AXSR at the moment, but the MRAD, scoped with the Mark 5 HD and Badger rings with a 17" 308 barrel weighs 16.04lbs.It takes months to put together an RFP, but the timing is interesting. Pure speculation but considering the off-the shelf accuracy of some systems, it doesn't make sense for the USSG to stay with R700 actions.
From the eval criteria: "Weapon manufacturer and model information markings will be obscured from user (via duct tape)." Like the shooters won't know an AXSR from an MRAD, geez...
ETA - The RFP doesn't seem slanted towards a specific manufacturer, but there is a max weight as configured of 16lbs. I think the MRAD weighs in at 14.5 and the AXSR at 16.2? Also a specific quality requirement of "Quality Control/Quality Assurance Plan: The Offeror shall provide either their DoD DMCA Certification or ISO/9000 Certification, in addition to a brief, detailed narrative on their production quality control and quality assurance practices, including the equipment used to control the quality of the weapons produced. "
Agreed. That gave me a lot teething issues with the MRAD. Got is square now and i'm loving it, but god damn... WHY 14" MINIMUM!?I’d bet MRAD too. USSS probably hires the same long arm gorillas coming out of SOCOM.
Not a swipe at USSS, just the long fucking LOP of the Barrett…
Looks like SS SC wants a new rifle
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Secret Service Wants New Sniper Rifles
The new modular rifles will be able to quickly switch among four different cartridges and will feature a two-to-three-pound trigger pull.www.twz.com
Not related to the SS, but some of our different blokes were trialling both 6.5 and 6mm Creedmoor in the bolt guns.It is interesting considering the number of 6.5 barrels @Frank Green alluded shipping to SS above. The Magnus SR-30 can they are going to put on them probably explains the 30 cal fixation.
Edit: I was thinking barrel length, instead of LOP. My mistake, I just deleted this post because it's not relevant to this discussion.Agreed. That gave me a lot teething issues with the MRAD. Got is square now and i'm loving it, but god damn... WHY 14" MINIMUM!?
A $3.1 BILLION annual budget is probably the instigation for purchasing shiny new toys for startled Secret Service super snipers.I wonder what's driving that choice?
Thats good info, but we are talking LOP, not barrel length. The MRADs have a 14" minimum LOP ands its uncomfortable when you're used to shorter.Same reason that SF/CAG/Delta had 14.5" barrels for their prototype Remington CSR's - maneuvering and concealing. Also, .30 caliber magnums are able to exceed regular 7.62x51 energy with a barrel that's much shorter. I doubt that every single SS sniper team is in an overt FFP, I'd wager that some might be in covert FFP's (maybe in small rooms, hallways, or even in vehicles). With Federal 190gr .300WM ammo, a 14" barrel will probably have a muzzle velocity of about 2,450 fps (or something close to it). A .300 Norma with a heavier 215+gr bullet will probably be a few hundred feet per second faster than the .300WM with a 14" barrel. If that's the case, then a .300 Norma with a 14" barrel will roughly have a muzzle velocity that's close to the 7.62x51 M118LR out of a 24" barrel (it was 2,650 fps in our M40A3's), but with much heavier grain bullets (175 vs 215+). The shorter 14" barrel reduces the velocity and energy of the magnum rounds by quite a bit, however, the .300 Norma rounds will still be pretty close in velocity to a standard M118LR round and will exceed the M118LR in energy. The .300WM isn't too far behind, and the .300PRC will be somewhere between the two. And all that can be done in a barrel that's 10 inches shorter than something like the 24" barrel on an M40A3. That reduction in length, plus retaining more energy than an M118LR is pretty awesome! They can use that missing 10" of barrel length for a silencer, while keeping the barrel at a decent length and being able to fit more easily into an FFP. I'm also just guessing with most of these numbers, so don't take them as factual, and I'm hoping that they're relatively close to the actual values. I'm just trying to make a point about dropping the barrel length substantially (down to 14"), while still out performing the common M118LR ammo out of a much longer barrel (24"). Are these magnum calibers necessary? No idea. Maybe they could do a 13" or shorter barrel Sig .277 Fury or something like that, and send 150gr bullets downrange at a high velocity for that short barrel length. For whatever reason, it appears that the SS is dead set on it's .30 caliber ammo, and nothing else. You'd think that the SS would try a little bit more to get something that is cutting edge tech or even just something that's more closely tailored to their specific mission, but it sounds like they just want COTS Mk22's or something similar. I have no idea why they do what they do, but hopefully this post helps explain the 14" barrel with .30 caliber magnums.
A $3.1 BILLION annual budget is probably the instigation for purchasing shiny new toys for startled Secret Service super snipers.
Thats good info, but we are talking LOP, not barrel length. The MRADs have a 14" minimum LOP ands its uncomfortable when you're used to shorter.
All good mate. Still interestingAhh, ok, I completely missed the LOP part and just assumed the 14" was the barrel length! That's what I get for just skimming shit and not actually reading it. I don't think I've ever discussed LOP with anyone, ever, so I immediately thought that was the barrel length. My first thought went to what they did with the CSR, and I just assumed they wanted that capability. My mistake, please disregard my post. Maybe someday my info will be relevant if they ever decide to use shorter barrels, lol.
I don't get why so many different magnum calibers in 30cal... 300WM, 300 Norma and 300PRC? Pretty much all do the same thing.It is interesting considering the number of 6.5 barrels @Frank Green alluded shipping to SS above. The Magnus SR-30 can they are going to put on them probably explains the 30 cal fixation.
That's why they want the rrs lock so that the rifles don't slide off the tripod. Duh.Does the RFP include tripods optimized for sloped roofs?
The MRAD is a good system. The caliber choices are odd, but I think the point above is that they want to test and maybe have flexibility in final choices… or a lot of options.
Though I’d just go with .300NM rather than .300 WM. But maybe they like the ammo choices better with “old Reliable.”
Timing of RFP is interesting but as was said above… the RFI to RFP to RFQ process is months or years. This didn’t happen last week.
Cheers!
Good man!So the caliber used by the ss guy was in fact a 300wm. Not our barrel. Was a barrel they still had in inventory when that rifle was put together before starting to order from us. Bullet was a 215 Berger.
How's that for some intel!?
Frank,I don't get why so many different magnum calibers in 30cal... 300WM, 300 Norma and 300PRC? Pretty much all do the same thing.
I can see to some extent a multi caliber gun... 308win, 6.5CM and pick one magnum round.
If deploying in two man teams... why not have a guy with a dedicated say short/mid range rifle in 308win or a 6.5CM and the other guy with a dedicated long range gun a 300 mag?
What I see offhand... the main gun builder/armorer is retiring anytime now. So they want a plug and play system is what I'm reading into. By a modular rifle and just get a replacement barrel from the gun manufacturer.
So what happens when there is an issue with the rifle? You have to send it back to the manufacturer to diagnose it? Look what's happening to the USMC Scout Snipers... the 12's (gunsmiths) are basically done and it sounds like will drop back to being just a basic armorer. I think we are losing a lot of skill sets that if needed down the road sometime in the future will not get replaced/back up and running in a short time period.
I'd say no to a 6mm caliber gun. Sorry but in my opinion just to light of a caliber for anti people round (but it's a better choice than a 5.56 caliber gun) and if the wind is blowing to some extent... the 6.5 will give you an edge over the 6mm.
Just my random thoughts.
Later, Frank
The Oehler 85 is a very good system but it's a lab system. Not a field system like a Garmin in my opinion.Frank,
You've probably been through the RFI to RFP process and know you're dealing with too many Chiefs and not enough Indians, and then you add in the contracting officer. Everyone has a good idea and everyone is championing a position that somehow ends up in the RFP versus actual use cases.
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IIRC, the RFP states the submissions will only be accuracy tested using 300WM, other calibers are for technical / functional testing only.
Makes sense to go to a commercial system. The time, work and skills sets necessary to keep building/repairing rifles, when at least two commercial offerings do the same out-of-the-box, makes no sense these days. Issue a rifle to each sniper that only they use throughout it's duty span.
Interesting on weight of the rifles capped at 16lbs. Wonder if that was particularly written for the MRAD. If so, and I was AI, I'd be sending in questions to the govt. as well as concerns about arbitrary specifications limiting competition.
Lastly, the testing regime is interesting. Seems focused on barrel life (1600rds) and tested using a 175fps reduction in speed from the original speed readings when first fired and captures using an Oehler screen chrono. No regard for the barrel possibly speeding up or that the compact radar systems (is the Oehler 85 that good)?
/My 2 cents off
From your description (send pics?My pre-2014 “handguard” doesn’t look like the ones on the black chassis in the pics. I have a green/black chassis.
Mine is tapered and a plastic. These look metal with no taper and a deeper, wider scallop.
Is that an aftermarket piece?
From your description (send pics?) you have the factory plastic palm rest/grip. The JARs pictured have on RRS ARCA plates (model BAXR15 specifically), an aftermarket replacement for the factory part.