The small amount of creep, inherent to the 10/22 trigger design, can be a turn off to some. But, I’ve not met anyone that didn’t say “ohhh, wow” after pulling a Kidd 2stage set at 1lb/1lb.The factory two stager that came on my Kidd Supergrade is fantastic. Ranks up there with my Bix ‘n Andy TacSport Pro two stager.
I’ve never used an Annie, however.
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Extremely light but hyper accurate 22lr rifle
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I am a long range steel shooter. My bolt guns stay around MOA out 400yds. With my Kidd SG, past 250yds I see a lot more vertical than my bolt guns. Enough that I don't shoot it past 250yds, anymore, a waste of ammo.
200yds and in it is as accurate as my bolt guns.
They changed things up yesterday afternoon by moving the Silhouettes back 10 yards so 50,60,70, and 80y, for 40 shots. I won the match with 38/40 and got all the chickens at 80y. Yep wind was down.
Point being a chicken is a little over a inch of area and can be hit with a good pcp air rifle and itty bitty pellets at 80y often which still surprises me.
I built a rifle very similar to what you describe you want with similar use.
Light weight handy rifle for small game with good or above average accuracy.
Mine started as a 50th anniversary 10/22.
Added a tactol barrel, magazine release, Ruger trigger group and Hogue over molded stock.
Shoots better than expected with SK standard plus and even better with RWS R50.
Light weight handy rifle for small game with good or above average accuracy.
Mine started as a 50th anniversary 10/22.
Added a tactol barrel, magazine release, Ruger trigger group and Hogue over molded stock.
Shoots better than expected with SK standard plus and even better with RWS R50.
You can go crazy chasing light weight , but there are some super light options out there. A bit apples to oranges, then we have costs, but several shooters at my club that shoot steel challenge have 10/22’s that are sub 4 pounds. Not sure on accuracy since steel challenge doesn’t demand much in this regard. And there is just so much stuff out there for 10/22’s you can get dizzy looking at it all. It is also very easy to take an inexpensive 200 dollar base gun and throw a grand or two at it. A frequent way to move forward is to buy a simple 10/22 base gun, then modify as you go. Right now tombstone tactical is showing the basic poly stock without sights gun for $206.
Also don’t overlook old classic bolt guns. A lot of the old blue steel and wood sporters were pretty light and accuracy potential good as well.
For the most part, bottom line is can a lightweight also be hyper accurate? Sure but it will cost you!
Also don’t overlook old classic bolt guns. A lot of the old blue steel and wood sporters were pretty light and accuracy potential good as well.
For the most part, bottom line is can a lightweight also be hyper accurate? Sure but it will cost you!
I was going to mention the old bolt guns. Winchester, etc. Some of those are incredibly light, quite accurate, are mag fed and can have the trigger stoned get what you desire.
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I have a Ruger 10-22 with a Primary Weapon System carbon wrapped barrel that shoots in the .3's and .4's at 50 Yards. Its currently in a Boyds Tacticool stock but with a lighter stock and depending on your choice of optics it could be in the 5-6 pound range pretty easily.
While the Tacsol barrels are pretty light and cool looking I have never had one that shot great.
I am not sure if PWS still offers their carbon wrapped barrels for the 10-22 but I am guessing a Volquartzen Carbon tension barrel would be every bit if not more accurate than the PWS.
As the rifle sits now it weighs 6lb 7oz.
TBH if I ever had to bug out this rifle and a bunch of subsonic ammo would be what I would choose to take with me.
Target below was shot at 50 yards off a bipod with a Redtac gear rear bag.
While the Tacsol barrels are pretty light and cool looking I have never had one that shot great.
I am not sure if PWS still offers their carbon wrapped barrels for the 10-22 but I am guessing a Volquartzen Carbon tension barrel would be every bit if not more accurate than the PWS.
As the rifle sits now it weighs 6lb 7oz.
TBH if I ever had to bug out this rifle and a bunch of subsonic ammo would be what I would choose to take with me.
Target below was shot at 50 yards off a bipod with a Redtac gear rear bag.
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Didn't mean to hate on 10/22 triggers. Pretty sure I'm spoiled by Bix 'n Andy at this point. My Bix 'n Andy TacSport Pro-X is set to 8oz/8oz with about 0.9mm movement on the first stage and has a crisp break. My Kidd two-stage on my 10/22 is also 8oz/8oz but the first stage throw is like 12 miles and is not adjustable. The break is quite mushy by comparison. Still a great trigger, for 10/22, but the Rem700 trigger options have spoiled me.The factory two stager that came on my Kidd Supergrade is fantastic. Ranks up there with my Bix ‘n Andy TacSport Pro two stager.
I’ve never used an Annie, however.
This could be describing a single stage with just a touch of pre-travel creep.
It makes sense that you wouldn’t like a 2 stage trigger with significant 1st stage travel.
There are a number of ways the OP can skin this cat. A 10/22 is but one of those.
That’s the ~710fps stuff, right? If so, I have some of that and it is indeed near-silent. Problem is that it’s like shooting artillery lol…I can often see the bullet arcing towards the target.
That’s pellet gun speeds. Perfect for 25yds when you want to be extra stealthy; but for me at 50yds, it was too slow for comfort.
That’s why I like the speedier version, CCI subsonic segmented rounds at 1050fps. Only 20fps slower than the SV for a reasonable range.
Yep that’s the slower stuff. But yes, it did have a little drop to it lol the Segmented CCI stuff in general is pretty solid on game.
My go to squirrel rifle, Winchester 75 Sporter with a Unertl 6X Condor. Probably the best handling rimfire woods rifle I own with a Winchester 69A a close second... Either would fit @jbell list minus the barrel threading
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Yup. The Winni 69A is what I had in mind. Super light so it doesn't become a burden during a long squirrel hunt and accurate. Prices are not totally absurd either. The trigger can be stoned so it breaks super clean.
The 75s are really impressive, even after all these years. The planets aligned and I managed to obtain a new old stock Win 75 bull barrel unfired. Gonna build one out and just go all in with it. A number of the parts across the 69 and 75 series of rifles are interchangeable, so Numrich and other places can provide most parts when you look across all the variants.
That pretty light for your 10/22 build . my 10/22 with full size scope, suppressor, full magazine is 7.8 Lb. and it feels lightweight.
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Funny that MDT posted yesterday pretty much what I had in mind there. https://mdttac.com/blog/lightweight-rimx-hunting-rifle-inside-mdt-/ Too expensive, I know, but light
and accurate .
My current critter-gitter is a nice option: KIDD Classic Lightweight....
Yep. I have a T1x in the factory stock with a couple of the common modest upgrades to the stock (dropped into a T3x stock, longer pistol grip, etc). Otherwise the T1x is completely stock. When I set it up well with bipod and bags, it shoots very close to my Vudoo.
Nice! This may also be of interest to the OP, but I wondered: when you got your Kidd Classic version, were you intentionally getting the Classic to maintain compatibility with standard 10/22 barrels, vs the Kidd Supergrade with their easy-change barrel system? What did you see as the trade-offs of going one way or the other, apart from the fact there are more standard 10/22 aftermarket barrels available?
Doesn’t meet your criteria being that it’s a single shot though. 7# as pictured and doesn’t sacrifice any accuracy with a 12” barrel.
I know jbell has seen this rifle before, and it's more $$$ than he's currently wanting to spend, but what the heck...he once told me that he loved the looks of this rifle, so here it is again -
I ordered it in with an ACE 18" Ranch bbl, because I was looking to put together the lightest V22 I could. But balance was so far to the rear with that bbl - even though it shot great - that I pulled it & got a Krieger #4 sporter profile blank, chambered it with my EPS reamer, then finished it at 24" & threaded the muzzle 1/2-28 for the TD22 in the photo. With a Manners T2 Elite Hunter & the Athlon Midas TAC 6-24x50, it weighs 9.5lbs, a bit more than I was expecting, but it balances right at the front of the DBM without the suppressor mounted, and it shoots great. Since I took that photo, I've CeraKoted the bbl in graphite black.
The only other 22RF that I've built in an attempt to wind up with a lighter rifle that's about as accurate as this one is a CZ 457 American that didn't shoot worth a hoot with the factory bbl. I pulled & replaced it with a Shilen select match ratchet #5 conour, then parted-off the 1.200" shank & turned the transition radius down to a .708" tenon to be a snug fit in the 457's bbl socket, chambered it with the same EPS reamer I used on the above rifle, cut the extractor slots in an indexer fixture in my knee mill, finished it at 24", threaded the muzzle 1/2-28, CeraKoted it with a mixture of graphite black/tungsten in an attempt to match the nitride finish of the action, and glued it in with Loctite #609. It weighs 9lbs, which is 1/2lb more than it did with the factory bbl. The Turkish walnut of the CZ stock is pretty dense & heavy, but the Shilen bbl is pretty close to the same weight as the Krieger I used on the V22. The 457 action is obviously lighter than the V22, and quite a bit less expensive. I really like the fully adjustable 457 trigger, and all three of the 457s I've owned have functioned smoothly with complete reliability - otherwise, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble & expense to re-barrel this American.
I ordered it in with an ACE 18" Ranch bbl, because I was looking to put together the lightest V22 I could. But balance was so far to the rear with that bbl - even though it shot great - that I pulled it & got a Krieger #4 sporter profile blank, chambered it with my EPS reamer, then finished it at 24" & threaded the muzzle 1/2-28 for the TD22 in the photo. With a Manners T2 Elite Hunter & the Athlon Midas TAC 6-24x50, it weighs 9.5lbs, a bit more than I was expecting, but it balances right at the front of the DBM without the suppressor mounted, and it shoots great. Since I took that photo, I've CeraKoted the bbl in graphite black.
The only other 22RF that I've built in an attempt to wind up with a lighter rifle that's about as accurate as this one is a CZ 457 American that didn't shoot worth a hoot with the factory bbl. I pulled & replaced it with a Shilen select match ratchet #5 conour, then parted-off the 1.200" shank & turned the transition radius down to a .708" tenon to be a snug fit in the 457's bbl socket, chambered it with the same EPS reamer I used on the above rifle, cut the extractor slots in an indexer fixture in my knee mill, finished it at 24", threaded the muzzle 1/2-28, CeraKoted it with a mixture of graphite black/tungsten in an attempt to match the nitride finish of the action, and glued it in with Loctite #609. It weighs 9lbs, which is 1/2lb more than it did with the factory bbl. The Turkish walnut of the CZ stock is pretty dense & heavy, but the Shilen bbl is pretty close to the same weight as the Krieger I used on the V22. The 457 action is obviously lighter than the V22, and quite a bit less expensive. I really like the fully adjustable 457 trigger, and all three of the 457s I've owned have functioned smoothly with complete reliability - otherwise, I wouldn't have gone to the trouble & expense to re-barrel this American.
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Another rabbit hole build? Cool idea! I have a 77/22 that before I tore it apart and built a “precision rimfire” was perfect for this. I will be following this.
