GOA Sues Florida For Open Carry

OK I gotta ask ...... here goes....oh boy.....so aren't any of you concerned about every moron, idiot, retard, fucktard, bozo , clown, asshat, gangbanger, hoodrat, etc. Running around with a gun on his hip?
You f ing people are why we have so many gun laws

For that matter you people see why we have income tax.

And the constitution in shreds.


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While open carrying in the panhandle or big bend area may be cool, what about the other areas. South Beach with people cruising in convertibles with AKs and Shotties is z different story.
I want Mayberry, not the Middle East or West Africa. I believe the lowest common IQ among us will screw it up badly. At least now I know that if 20 people of any ethnicity is walking down my road open carrying it is time to either fight, or join upwith them. I like knowing that if I see someone in car line at school with an AR on the front seat they are to be considered a threat.
If it was just about oiled leather and BBQ guns..... but that is not what it is for. Thank God that here, outside of tampa, we do not live under the constant threat of terrorists from GA or A (unlike Israelis with the palestinian threat) L coming after us. I can feel very comfortable getting a coffee without my battle rifle slung.
 
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What would we call the "Brodoziers" of open carry? Can you imagine the amount of ^%/_ measuring there would be. Some guy 5'6" trying to single point sling an SPR with a suppressor that is 76" long. The amount of tricked out HiPoints would almost be worth it. An entire website devoted to "Guns of Walmart" lolol
 
While open carrying in the panhandle or big bend area may be cool, what about the other areas. South Beach with people cruising in convertibles with AKs and Shotties is z different story.
I want Mayberry, not the Middle East or West Africa. I believe the lowest common IQ among us will screw it up badly. At least now I know that if 20 people of any ethnicity is walking down my road open carrying it is time to either fight, or join upwith them. I like knowing that if I see someone in car line at school with an AR on the front seat they are to be considered a threat.
If it was just about oiled leather and BBQ guns..... but that is not what it is for. Thank God that here, outside of tampa, we do not live under the constant threat of terrorists from GA or A (unlike Israelis with the palestinian threat) L coming after us. I can feel very comfortable getting a coffee without my battle rifle slung.
This is so retarded... Anyone who would roll around with an ak is already doing so whether legal or not.. Having legal open carry would not change that.. you people scared are a real problem making up shit to make you feel better and push gun control. You keep pushing a false narrative just like the leftists.

Guess what. I have an ar15 in the back of my vehicle when I travel. I have a hand gun on my side.. So what..
 
What would we call the "Brodoziers" of open carry? Can you imagine the amount of ^%/_ measuring there would be. Some guy 5'6" trying to single point sling an SPR with a suppressor that is 76" long. The amount of tricked out HiPoints would almost be worth it. An entire website devoted to "Guns of Walmart" lolol
Holy crap.. more bs nonsense. The covid joiners(2019-2023) are just as bad as over at ar15.
 
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We have open carry, and you don't see it much.

GOA may be the firebrand and want to fight everything, which I am on board with and that's why I am a member.

NRA has more strategic and slow roll going on, and without the NRA we wouldn't have concealed all over the country, period, the biggest leap forward in terms of protecting/advancing our rights in my lifetime.

There is a place for both, but in general I am not for giving any government one single inch more than they have already taken, and I'm for rolling it back whenever possible.

To me OC is a given and should be no big deal at all. I don't OC, but I'm glad it's legal in my state in case someone glimpses a gun it isn't a crime. Really, everyone who has ever printed, or gotten out of a seat and inadvertently flashed their piece ought to want OC to be perfectly legal as well. No where it has been instituted are there the kinds of problems some of you are bring up, and generally the people causing those kinds of problems really don't care what the law says in the first place...
 
We have open carry, and you don't see it much.

GOA may be the firebrand and want to fight everything, which I am on board with and that's why I am a member.

NRA has more strategic and slow roll going on, and without the NRA we wouldn't have concealed all over the country, period, the biggest leap forward in terms of protecting/advancing our rights in my lifetime.

There is a place for both, but in general I am not for giving any government one single inch more than they have already taken, and I'm for rolling it back whenever possible.

To me OC is a given and should be no big deal at all. I don't OC, but I'm glad it's legal in my state in case someone glimpses a gun it isn't a crime. Really, everyone who has ever printed, or gotten out of a seat and inadvertently flashed their piece ought to want OC to be perfectly legal as well. No where it has been instituted are there the kinds of problems some of you are bring up, and generally the people causing those kinds of problems really don't care what the law says in the first place...
Nra has done a lot of damage to the 2a. Recently they convinced nc to remove constitutional cary bill that was making its way through the house and senate and gaining a lot of approval.

Nra has convinced many states as well as the US gov to pass a lot of gun control legislation. They are only for the 2a if it's what they want and not what should be.
 
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We have open carry, and you don't see it much.

GOA may be the firebrand and want to fight everything, which I am on board with and that's why I am a member.

NRA has more strategic and slow roll going on, and without the NRA we wouldn't have concealed all over the country, period, the biggest leap forward in terms of protecting/advancing our rights in my lifetime.

There is a place for both, but in general I am not for giving any government one single inch more than they have already taken, and I'm for rolling it back whenever possible.

To me OC is a given and should be no big deal at all. I don't OC, but I'm glad it's legal in my state in case someone glimpses a gun it isn't a crime. Really, everyone who has ever printed, or gotten out of a seat and inadvertently flashed their piece ought to want OC to be perfectly legal as well. No where it has been instituted are there the kinds of problems some of you are bring up, and generally the people causing those kinds of problems really don't care what the law says in the first place...

There's a fellow on one of my other "Florida" based 2A forums by the name of Luis Valdes. I think he runs the GOA Florida division. He's all over OC in FL and probably supports this lawsuit if he's not directly involved in it.

Luis and I are often at loggerheads in re: the subject. I tend to think his 2A vision is slightly myopic in re: favoring OC, Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see OC benefiting as many people (it certainly doesn't benefit me) as opposed to putting the focus on other things like, eliminating red flag laws; felonizing State based Civil Asset Forfeiture; etc. etc. About the only thing OC might do for me is make it harder to accuse me of "brandishing / improper display" if my cover garment accidently has a "malfunction." I think focusing on those things along with OC (not exclusively OC) will have a much more positive effect for 2A folks here.
 
I'm the FL State Director for GOA. The lawsuit is a result of our collective efforts in FL to restore the Second Amendment.

The issues in FL are the following.

1. Floridians do not have a right to carry a firearm. FL law is written and structured in such a way that the act of carrying a firearm is a crime. And there are only specific listed exemptions. Those exemptions are only an affirmative defense. Meaning, you can be completely following the law and still be legally arrested by LEO.

2. This lawsuit also tackles the Under-21 Carry Ban. Adults in FL under 21 have no legal means to carry a firearm, period.

3. Florida, under a Republican supermajority, refuses to repeal gun control. For over a decade now, I've personally have dealt with the legislature, Republican leadership, and multiple governors. And time after time, they don't repeal gun control. They campaign on being pro-gun, but their actions are anything from it.

For years, the legislature flat out killed permitless carry legislation and open carry legislation. After a coordinated effort (between my allies and I), we got DeSantis cornered on the issues of permitless carry and open carry. That is why permitless carry passed. We recorded him at an event and he said he supported it. Mind you, he didn't think making such a statement would mean anything other than placating a voter. We released it to the media. Same with his stance on open carry.

We made permitless carry such a hot-button issue for his campaign, that he couldn't avoid it for his 2024 political campaign. That's why it passed in 2023. Well, now that the campaign is dead in the water. He has no reason to push the legislature to pass something pro-gun.

Hence the lawsuit. Because in 2023, we got Rep. Mike Beltran to introduce an open carry amendment to the permitless concealed-only carry bill and the Republican leadership killed it. In 2024, we got Rep. Beltran to introduce an open carry bill to the FL House. And again, the Republican leadership killed it.
Since the legislature refuses to listen to their constituents and uphold their campaign promises and the governor appears to be weak-kneed. We're done playing nice with the political establishment.

If you want a general idea of the lawsuit. Here's my declaration to the court. In our court complaint (complete PDF), it is listed as exhibit A.

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Being a Florida resident I cannot support open carry without a permit or license, concealed constitutional carry is a better option in my opinion. First off why would I want to let everyone in public know I’m armed with a handgun? Secondly after living in Nashville and seeing how foolishly people open carry it is an embarrassment to the entire 2A community, a problem that was regularly occurring, open carry person being disarmed by people snatching up the weapon, and it wasn’t limited to young hood-rats.

This guy from GOA talks a good game and I get the argument he brings forward, but seeing someone with a cheap holster being used to carry a pistol it wasn’t made for, who probably only has minimal ability with no thought out preplan is a disaster in the making. You want open carry, proficiency and a security holster are a must.
Being a FL resident and former LEO. I was personally pulled-over and held at gunpoint because my t-shirt rode over my gun while I was on my motorcycle, heading home when I was off-duty. After I produced my LEO cred, the MDPD officer flat out told me that if I weren't a cop. He'd gave cuffed and stuffed me into a green & white and I would have gotten to spend the night at TGK.

Mind you, this was AFTER the Republicans gutted the 2011 Open Carry bill to an Accidental Exposure bill.

The very law written and passed to prevent what happened to me, didn't do anything. I was still harassed and would have had my rights violated, unless for me carrying a piece of tin in my wallet.

Heck, in Columbia County, a blind man with a folded seeing eye-cane in his back pocket was harassed by the Sheriff's Office because they thought he had a gun tucked into his back pocket. What was the man doing? His civic duty, he was reporting to court for jury duty. The Sheriff's Deputies originally wanted to arrest him for openly carrying a firearm. But once they realized they made a mistake, they instead charged him with disorderly conduct.

Again, what was the guy doing? Reporting to jury duty.

A blind man was arrested after an officer thought he had a gun. It was his cane. - CBS News, Nov. 10, 2022

Plus, you had the incident with Mr. John Leggett.

He was on his property, with his daughter, when the neighbor's pitbull got loose and act aggressively. He had a GLOCK tucked in his waistband in a holster. But he had no shirt. The end result, Daytona Beach PD arrested him on his own property. One of the few listed exemptions where open carry is legal.

Legalizing open would resolve all of that.

Only FL, NY, IL, and CA ban open carry. What makes Florida different than Alabama, Texas, Georgia, Montana, Oregon, Wisconsin, Michigan, etc? You even have Democrat controlled states that have legalized open carry.
 
There's a fellow on one of my other "Florida" based 2A forums by the name of Luis Valdes. I think he runs the GOA Florida division. He's all over OC in FL and probably supports this lawsuit if he's not directly involved in it.

Luis and I are often at loggerheads in re: the subject. I tend to think his 2A vision is slightly myopic in re: favoring OC, Maybe I'm wrong, but I don't see OC benefiting as many people (it certainly doesn't benefit me) as opposed to putting the focus on other things like, eliminating red flag laws; felonizing State based Civil Asset Forfeiture; etc. etc. About the only thing OC might do for me is make it harder to accuse me of "brandishing / improper display" if my cover garment accidently has a "malfunction." I think focusing on those things along with OC (not exclusively OC) will have a much more positive effect for 2A folks here.
All the issues you mention, are things we're tackling. Repealing gun-free zones, repealing RFOs, etc.... And I'm Luis. The lawsuit is happening because as the GOA Director, all I hear from our members is "when will FL actually be a constitutional carry state, we want open carry!"

After trying to work with a Republican legislature multiple times, and they refuse to advance legislation, we're suing.
 
Being a Florida resident I cannot support open carry without a permit or license, concealed constitutional carry is a better option in my opinion. First off why would I want to let everyone in public know I’m armed with a handgun? Secondly after living in Nashville and seeing how foolishly people open carry it is an embarrassment to the entire 2A community, a problem that was regularly occurring, open carry person being disarmed by people snatching up the weapon, and it wasn’t limited to young hood-rats.

This guy from GOA talks a good game and I get the argument he brings forward, but seeing someone with a cheap holster being used to carry a pistol it wasn’t made for, who probably only has minimal ability with no thought out preplan is a disaster in the making. You want open carry, proficiency and a security holster are a must.

Lived in Nashville.
 
OK I gotta ask ...... here goes....oh boy.....so aren't any of you concerned about every moron, idiot, retard, fucktard, bozo , clown, asshat, gangbanger, hoodrat, etc. Running around with a gun on his hip?
As a fifteen year veteran LEO. I've learned that dirtbags will be dirtbags, period. You can't legislate them away. Criminals are criminals, because shocking news, they break the law.

Look at CA and NY. Prior to Bruen, it was nearly impossible for the law-abiding to get a CCW. Did that stop any criminal from being a criminal? Nope.

Laws like the Open Carry Ban only hurt the law-abiding.
 
All the issues you mention, are things we're tackling. Repealing gun-free zones, repealing RFOs, etc.... And I'm Luis. The lawsuit is happening because as the GOA Director, all I hear from our members is "when will FL actually be a constitutional carry state, we want open carry!"

After trying to work with a Republican legislature multiple times, and they refuse to advance legislation, we're suing.

Glad to see you over here, now! 🤠
 
Can we think about what The Summer Of Love looked like. Now visualize that with open carry laws. Remember that KR was open carrying, but on private property.
Should anyone who can afford an M1 Abrams be allowed to own them. With depleted uranium shells?
Can Musk built the Hammer Of Thor if he desires?
Would you be OK if Bill and Melinda decided to buy a few multi role fighters. And some MOABs to go with them?
How about Jeff Bezos ordering a suitcase nuke?
Are you OK with Iran, Hamas, Venezuela, or anyone else to build nukes?

Those may sound silly, except for the last one. That all sounds like common sense right? But according to the purity test being handed out on this topic all of those are on the table. And they are well within the reach of those mentioned. Musk may just try it too. And the Ayatola would love for us to get us of their way.
 
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Can we think about what The Summer Of Love looked like. Now visualize that with open carry laws. Remember that KR was open carrying, but on private property.
Should anyone who can afford an M1 Abrams be allowed to own them. With depleted uranium shells?
Can Musk built the Hammer Of Thor if he desires?
Would you be OK if Bill and Melinda decided to buy a few multi role fighters. And some MOABs to go with them?
How about Jeff Bezos ordering a suitcase nuke?
Are you OK with Iran, Hamas, Venezuela, or anyone else to build nukes?

Those may sound silly, except for the last one. That all sounds like common sense right? But according to the purity test being handed out on this topic all of those are on the table. And they are well within the reach of those mentioned. Musk may just try it too. And the Ayatola would love for us to get us of their way.

Half of what you're talking about is legal. You can own a tank and have the gun/cannon function. It is a NFA destructive device. Multirole fighters are in private hands. There's even privately owned F-16s operating in the US.

As for Iran, Hamas, Venezuela, or anyone else building nukes. That is beyond the scope of the US Constitution. They are foreign sovereign nation-states and that is a matter of foreign affairs and international relations.

As Musk wanting to build Mjölnir. Dude can spend his money on comic book fairytales. There's no law against someone owning a magical hammer that can channel lighting. If Musk can blow enough money to make a magic fairytale hammer. Good for him.

But we're not talking about any of that. We're talking about OPEN CARRY. Something that 45 states have legalized on the books.

Why should someone be criminalized for simply having an exposed firearm?
 
Can we think about what The Summer Of Love looked like. Now visualize that with open carry laws. Remember that KR was open carrying, but on private property.
Should anyone who can afford an M1 Abrams be allowed to own them. With depleted uranium shells?
Can Musk built the Hammer Of Thor if he desires?
Would you be OK if Bill and Melinda decided to buy a few multi role fighters. And some MOABs to go with them?
How about Jeff Bezos ordering a suitcase nuke?
Are you OK with Iran, Hamas, Venezuela, or anyone else to build nukes?

Those may sound silly, except for the last one. That all sounds like common sense right? But according to the purity test being handed out on this topic all of those are on the table. And they are well within the reach of those mentioned. Musk may just try it too. And the Ayatola would love for us to get us of their way.
You could open carry here during the summer of love. How was it diffrent in places with open carry vs places with illegal 2A restrictions?

You can open carry here and bangers still hide their guns uner their cloths. They don't care that CC with no permit is illegal. Shocker.
 
So you are ok with people owning weapons of war. As long as the ammunition for the weapon is either unobtainable, cost prohibitive, and you must pay extra taxes and submit to a background check and agree to be placed on an unconstitutional firearms registry kept by the BATFE?

We are talking the unadulterated ability to own any weapon you want, no nfa. You may be able to buy an F16, but it's the semi auto version of an MP5. What is the point in that? Arm it with AIM19, JADAMs, a few 500lb bombs. Full load in the nose cannon. Strap your tape deck to your thigh, say a prayer for Chappy, and enjoy. Now we are talking freedom!


As far as Thors Hammer: https://taskandpurpose.com/news/kinetic-bombardment-kep-weaponry/

I am mostly concerned with the Law of Unintended Consequences. When you spread fertilizer you nourish the weeds along with the grass.


Question: Where do you want to open carry that you already cannot?
 
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Being a Florida resident I cannot support open carry without a permit or license, concealed constitutional carry is a better option in my opinion. First off why would I want to let everyone in public know I’m armed with a handgun? Secondly after living in Nashville and seeing how foolishly people open carry it is an embarrassment to the entire 2A community, a problem that was regularly occurring, open carry person being disarmed by people snatching up the weapon, and it wasn’t limited to young hood-rats.

This guy from GOA talks a good game and I get the argument he brings forward, but seeing someone with a cheap holster being used to carry a pistol it wasn’t made for, who probably only has minimal ability with no thought out preplan is a disaster in the making. You want open carry, proficiency and a security holster are a must.

Can you link up any articles about what I high lighted? I have not heard of people open carrying being disarmed

I open carry here in SC, without any issues

A Right Is No Longer A Right, If You Have To Get Permission From A Bureaucrat To Exercise It!
 
So you are ok with people owning weapons of war. As long as the ammunition for the weapon is either unobtainable, cost prohibitive, and you must pay extra taxes and submit to a background check and agree to be placed on an unconstitutional firearms registry kept by the BATFE?

We are talking the unadulterated ability to own any weapon you want, no nfa. You may be able to buy an F16, but it's the semi auto version of an MP5. What is the point in that? Arm it with AIM19, JADAMs, a few 500lb bombs. Full load in the nose cannon. Strap your tape deck to your thigh, say a prayer for Chappy, and enjoy. Now we are talking freedom!


As far as Thors Hammer: https://taskandpurpose.com/news/kinetic-bombardment-kep-weaponry/

I am mostly concerned with the Law of Unintended Consequences. When you spread fertilizer you nourish the weeds along with the grass.


Question: Where do you want to open carry that you already cannot?
You sure ask a lot of off subject questions for a guy who hasnt answered any questions....🤡
 
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I would suggest you scroll up and read the posts about the problems caused by Floria's open carry ban. You think some dudes getting their guns snatched justifes that kind of over reach? Purses get carried openly and snatched all the time. Should open carry of a purse be illegal? Some street tuff could use that money to buy a gun or a thermo nuclear suitcase device.
 
Snipping out random drunk gibberish.....


Question: Where do you want to open carry that you already cannot?
I'd like to open carry in my state of residence, FLORIDA. A state where I cannot currently legally open carry.

Does that answer your question? That's why we filed the lawsuit in the first place. It ain't about owning nukes, fighter planes, or rods from god. It is about repealing the Open Carry Ban and the Under-21 Carry Ban. No more and no less.
 




I'll ask you a simple question.

Should it be a criminal act for someone to have their firearm exposed? Yes or no?

I'm not asking you about the tacticool aspects of open versus concealed. Or who can out mall-ninja who.

I'm asking if the act of carrying firearm, uncovered, should be a criminal act.

Should people have the individual choice to carry openly or concealed?

Yes or no?
 
I'll ask you a simple question.

Should it be a criminal act for someone to have their firearm exposed? Yes or no?

I'm not asking you about the tacticool aspects of open versus concealed. Or who can out mall-ninja who.

I'm asking if the act of carrying firearm, uncovered, should be a criminal act.

Should people have the individual choice to carry openly or concealed?



Stop being dishonest. The Armed Fisherman open carrys all the time. It is people from your profession that give him the hard time for legally open carrying. Please get off your high horse.
I do not see it as a clear cut question. It is much more complex than yes/no.
 
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I'll ask you a simple question.

Should it be a criminal act for someone to have their firearm exposed? Yes or no?

I'm not asking you about the tacticool aspects of open versus concealed. Or who can out mall-ninja who.

I'm asking if the act of carrying firearm, uncovered, should be a criminal act.

Should people have the individual choice to carry openly or concealed?

Yes or no?
In a perfect world sure.
 
I would suggest you scroll up and read the posts about the problems caused by Floria's open carry ban. You think some dudes getting their guns snatched justifes that kind of over reach? Purses get carried openly and snatched all the time. Should open carry of a purse be illegal? Some street tuff could use that money to buy a gun or a thermo nuclear suitcase device.
I was merely replying to @Death From A Distance request for evidence of guns being snatched.
 
No issue with open carry. I open carry on occasion, in the woods, creeks and rivers. Not something I would do on the regular, but to each their own. I very rarely see people open carry even though its fully lawfull here to do so. But when cows outnumber people you get what you get.

As for the videos of people getting their sidearms snatched. I mean, I hate to say but they sort of deserved it IMO. Not a lick of self and situational awareness, none at all. To not at least have some eyeball on who is behind you, who enters after you etc. Just completely dumbassery IMO, no teather? Hell, I aint that complacent (remember cows outnumber people), and still keep an eye out even though I am not open carrying...would even be more dilligent iffin I was.

People should be able to open carry if they want. And there will be Darwin like always, nothing new there. Its really has come down to absolutes because there is no common sense with a leftist.
 
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OK I gotta ask ...... here goes....oh boy.....so aren't any of you concerned about every moron, idiot, retard, fucktard, bozo , clown, asshat, gangbanger, hoodrat, etc. Running around with a gun on his hip?

Nope. Because I dont think it will have as big as impact as people make it out to be. In other words, mass amounts of people aint gonna just start doing it becuase its in the books. At least here, its legal and I see very very few people who do it.

And it literally makes no difference. Morons concealing are still morons open carrying ya?
 
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OK I gotta ask ...... here goes....oh boy.....so aren't any of you concerned about every moron, idiot, retard, fucktard, bozo , clown, asshat, gangbanger, hoodrat, etc. Running around with a gun on his hip?

You mean the same morons, bozos, etc, etc carrying concealed as I type because they don’t give two knobs of goat shit about laws?
 
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OK I gotta ask ...... here goes....oh boy.....so aren't any of you concerned about every moron, idiot, retard, fucktard, bozo , clown, asshat, gangbanger, hoodrat, etc. Running around with a gun on his hip?
They do already, at least now I'll see it. As long as it stays in the holster everything is fine. The minute they unholster that's when things are going to change quick, fast, and in a hurry. The robberies and other felonies are still going to happen until perps start getting piled up, and realize there is a cost for such actions. The ones that are not smart enough to figure this out will let Darwinism help them understand.
 
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So you are ok with people owning weapons of war. As long as the ammunition for the weapon is either unobtainable, cost prohibitive, and you must pay extra taxes and submit to a background check and agree to be placed on an unconstitutional firearms registry kept by the BATFE?

We are talking the unadulterated ability to own any weapon you want, no nfa. You may be able to buy an F16, but it's the semi auto version of an MP5. What is the point in that? Arm it with AIM19, JADAMs, a few 500lb bombs. Full load in the nose cannon. Strap your tape deck to your thigh, say a prayer for Chappy, and enjoy. Now we are talking freedom!


As far as Thors Hammer: https://taskandpurpose.com/news/kinetic-bombardment-kep-weaponry/

I am mostly concerned with the Law of Unintended Consequences. When you spread fertilizer you nourish the weeds along with the grass.


Question: Where do you want to open carry that you already cannot?

What’s an AIM19?
 
None of this conversation has anything to do with the appropriateness of open carry, the equipment or skills needed, or the mindset to carry competently.

This only has to do with the state restricting the right of open carry. Those restrictions are not in line with the Right of the People to Keep and Bear Arms, and is 100% infringement of those rights when they are withheld.

I despise anyone voting without researching candidates. Doesn't mean I want a law mandating 16 hours of instruction, a 5 day waiting period, fingerprinting for a background check and 60 days waiting for an application to come back approved by the county Clerk of Court before someone can hit the polls. Which one is more damaging to the Republic, foolish voting or less than competent open carry? Where else can we add in some restrictions to the Bill of Rights that might be "common sense"? Licensed Pastors to carry out prayer groups? Registered bloggers with a restriction of one blog post per month?

Again, so much misguided elitism in our own ranks of private citizen gun owners, it's no wonder the gun grabbers get away with so much infringement. The state and their bureaucracy have an easy job ruling over us when we don't even take the time to think about whether a law is constitutional or not.

And if you're a .gov employee calling for restrictions on the citizenry that you would be exempt from? Go fuck yourself.
 
Hope you all win the lawsuit!

We live in Oregon, where Open carry is "sort of legal". Some cities & towns have ordinances against OC, unless the individual has a concealed hand gun license.

Constitutional carry (open or concealed) should be legal in every state, because no State or municipality should be able to over rule the Constitution.

Currently no normy visiting Oregon can carry unrestricted (open or concealed), because Oregon doesn't recognize any other states conceal. Folks CAN apply for MAY issue out of state conceal permit, where's in state residents it is SHALL issue.

Still, none of such should exist in any state. Carry by anyone from anywhere should be legal nationwide. Any way they wish.
 
Stop being dishonest. The Armed Fisherman open carrys all the time. It is people from your profession that give him the hard time for legally open carrying. Please get off your high horse.
I do not see it as a clear cut question. It is much more complex than yes/no.
Who's being dishonest with this response?

So, it's ok only fishmen and hunters actively engaged can open carry?
 
Nra has done a lot of damage to the 1a. Recently they convinced nc to remove constitutional cary bill that was making its way through the house and senate and gaining a lot of approval.

Nra has convinced many states as well as the US gov to pass a lot of gun control legislation. They are only for the 2a if it's what they want and not what should be.
long time endowment member. the NRA,i discovered long ago,is in it for the graft and corruption. they always want to "work with the other side" so they can stay relevant and well paid. just like the republican party and our collection of embedded progressives,agitators and FBI agents.
 
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Stop being dishonest. The Armed Fisherman open carrys all the time. It is people from your profession that give him the hard time for legally open carrying. Please get off your high horse.
I do not see it as a clear cut question. It is much more complex than yes/no.
LOL, I know him and he's referred to in our court complaint. I ain't giving him a hard time at all.

And he only is able to open carry while fishing. Not as a everyday citizen.

Have you actually read the complaint or declaration? I doubt it.
 
Rep. Beltran flat out says that Republican Leadership killed Open Carry in FL when he introduced it.


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I give to GOA because not one inch more means not one inch more. Like everyone else I have issues and concerns with the NRA, but I’m not rescinding my life member status ever. I’m not a 2ndA radical, but the government lies and does not have our best interest at heart, period. Whatever saps their dominion and lust to rule us is a positive. Taking the radical position when fighting radicals/communists is the sensible choice. If we were up against reasonable men it would be a different story. Wake up. We are in a fight for our Ives against truly evil bastards who want to disarm us, and anyone who wants to disarm you plans to do something to you for which you would shoot them for if you were armed…and that’s a fact.
 
Any lawful gun owner may open carry on private property with permission of the property owner, with exception to prohibited places. The State is not prohibiting you from open carrying the private business are. Would Open Carry allow me to walk into any gun shop with a loaded firearm openly displayed? What about a courthouse or police station?
 
I give to GOA because not one inch more means not one inch more. Like everyone else I have issues and concerns with the NRA, but I’m not rescinding my life member status ever. I’m not a 2ndA radical, but the government lies and does not have our best interest at heart, period. Whatever saps their dominion and lust to rule us is a positive. Taking the radical position when fighting radicals/communists is the sensible choice. If we were up against reasonable men it would be a different story. Wake up. We are in a fight for our Ives against truly evil bastards who want to disarm us, and anyone who wants to disarm you plans to do something to you for which you would shoot them for if you were armed…and that’s a fact.
GOA life member here. I didn't leave the NRA it left me.
 
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There are a lot of battles to be fought for the 2A. As posted before our leadership is all talk. I remember Wilt Simpson pushing for legislators to be able to carry at their rallies, but not us.
That being said, we just disagree on this one. And there may be another instance we will disagree. But I guarantee we see eye to eye on 97% of them.
G'nite
 
Any lawful gun owner may open carry on private property with permission of the property owner, with exception to prohibited places. The State is not prohibiting you from open carrying the private business are. Would Open Carry allow me to walk into any gun shop with a loaded firearm openly displayed? What about a courthouse or police station?
Under FL's private property rights, a gun shop can let you carry or they can inform you that you can't. It is up to the property owner. Plently of gun shops I've been in have signs that state "concealed carry welcomed." And when (not if) open carry is fully legalized, I expect those businesses to have signs that state "open carry welcomed" too. And those signs carry no weight of law either per law. They must inform you in person.

If a private property wishes that you don't carry on their property, they must inform you in person that you are not allowed to carry, and you must leave. If you refuse, you can be charged with a felony per 810.08.

As for courthouses and police stations, per state statute, they're specifically listed as gun-free zones. You can't conceal carry in one right now. So, open carry would also be barred.

Do you even know how to read FL Law? 790.06(12)(a) states the following:

(12)(a) A license issued under this section does not authorize any person to openly carry a handgun or carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm into:
1. Any place of nuisance as defined in s. 823.05;
2. Any police, sheriff, or highway patrol station;
3. Any detention facility, prison, or jail;
4. Any courthouse;
5. Any courtroom, except that nothing in this section precludes a judge from carrying a concealed weapon or concealed firearm or determining who will carry a concealed weapon or concealed firearm in his or her courtroom;
6. Any polling place;
7. Any meeting of the governing body of a county, public school district, municipality, or special district;
8. Any meeting of the Legislature or a committee thereof;
9. Any school, college, or professional athletic event not related to firearms;
10. Any elementary or secondary school facility or administration building;
11. Any career center;
12. Any portion of an establishment licensed to dispense alcoholic beverages for consumption on the premises, which portion of the establishment is primarily devoted to such purpose;
13. Any college or university facility unless the licensee is a registered student, employee, or faculty member of such college or university and the weapon is a stun gun or nonlethal electric weapon or device designed solely for defensive purposes and the weapon does not fire a dart or projectile;
14. The inside of the passenger terminal and sterile area of any airport, provided that no person shall be prohibited from carrying any legal firearm into the terminal, which firearm is encased for shipment for purposes of checking such firearm as baggage to be lawfully transported on any aircraft; or
15. Any place where the carrying of firearms is prohibited by federal law.
 
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