Hornady or RCBS micrometer bullet seating tool?

yo-yo · Aug 29, 2024

Does anyone have experience with either of these die sets (Hornady or RCBS), utilizing the micrometer bullet seating tool? I bought the Hornady set, though after opening it, I'm a little surprised that it doesn't look all that extravagant for the price. The RCBS feels like it has a bit better construction to it. I am considering returning it for the RCBS, but I initially hesitated on more RCBS products after we broke a couple RCBS dies for the .338 Lapua recently.

The Hornady ends up requiring the purchase of their full length die set (I think you can get either the Custom Grade or Match Grade), and then unscrewing the top of the bullet seating tool - and screwing on the new micrometer end. Either way, they seem to be about the same price in the end.

I just wondered if anyone has any impressions of each they could share.
Thanks!

Rob01 · Aug 29, 2024

What Hornady set did you get? They sell one with a micrometer seater. The picture you posted is their new click adjustment seater addition.

Match™ Grade Bushing Dies - Hornady Manufacturing, Inc

Match™ Grade Bushing Dies Get match-winning performance from your press with Hornady® Match™ Grade dies. Hornady® Match™ Grade Dies give you total control over neck tension in the resizing process. These dies feature the ability to use interc...

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yo-yo · Aug 29, 2024

I bought the basic one (Custom Grade) that doesn’t have that steel-colored micrometer tool included (that must be the Match Grade). The Custom Grade allows you to remove the head (no micrometer) and install this fancy red micrometer.

Rob01 · Aug 29, 2024

Yes that is the match grade set. If you wanted the micrometer you should have bought that but you can still replace it with either the one in the pic or the red click version you posted.

yo-yo · Aug 29, 2024

Rob01 said:
Yes that is the match grade set. If you wanted the micrometer you should have bought that but you can still replace it with either the one in the pic or the red click version you posted.

Yeah, I didn’t buy that one on purpose, because I could get the Custom Grade kit plus the fancy red-colored micrometer together, for the same price as that match set. But, having said that, the Match set has the adjustable neck bushings that I’d like to try too. I’m curious what the RCBS set is like. I’m wondering if the construction is better?

Rob01 · Aug 29, 2024

yo-yo said:
Yeah, I didn’t buy that one on purpose, because I could get the Custom Grade kit plus the fancy red-colored micrometer together, for the same price as that match set. But, having said that, the Match set has the adjustable neck bushings that I’d like to try too. I’m curious what the RCBS set is like. I’m wondering if the construction is better?

It’s not. I have had both of those sets and both load fine ammo but if you want a full length bushing die then return what you have and get one. You will also have to buy bushings with them. Measure a loaded pice of brass at the neck and subtract .002” and that should be the right bushing size but some like to try a little more neck tension so you can get one .003” smaller also.

Rob01 · Aug 29, 2024

What caliber are you loading?

KYAggie · Aug 29, 2024

I have three Hornady seater dies with that older micrometer on top. It does just fine for me, but my favorite micrometer seating dies are Forster, I like those better. I’ve never used the RCBS micrometer seater. As far as bushing dies go, I have Forster and Redding and both have worked well for me. After I bought my first Forster micrometer seater, I have not bought any more Hornadys. For what it’s worth, I do not like the Hornady resizing dies, the Forster and Redding dies turn out better ammo for me. The Hornady seaters with a micrometer are decent and not worth upgrading for my applications, but new stuff will be Forster or Redding for me.

308pirate · Aug 29, 2024

yo-yo said:
Does anyone have experience with either of these die sets (Hornady or RCBS), utilizing the micrometer bullet seating tool? I bought the Hornady set, though after opening it, I'm a little surprised that it doesn't look all that extravagant for the price. The RCBS feels like it has a bit better construction to it. I am considering returning it for the RCBS, but I initially hesitated on more RCBS products after we broke a couple RCBS dies for the .338 Lapua recently.

The Hornady ends up requiring the purchase of their full length die set (I think you can get either the Custom Grade or Match Grade), and then unscrewing the top of the bullet seating tool - and screwing on the new micrometer end. Either way, they seem to be about the same price in the end.

I just wondered if anyone has any impressions of each they could share.
Thanks!

Sell those and buy a Forster

TwistedOneinSeven · Aug 29, 2024

^^ as @308pirate
Get the Forster micrometer seating die.
I have a couple of them - excellent.

yo-yo · Aug 29, 2024

Rob01 said:
It’s not. I have had both of those sets and both load fine ammo but if you want a full length bushing die then return what you have and get one. You will also have to buy bushings with them. Measure a loaded pice of brass at the neck and subtract .002” and that should be the right bushing size but some like to try a little more neck tension so you can get one .003” smaller also.

Interesting...I wondered. I would like to try the die with specific neck sizing bushings. When using these dies, does the dies resize the body of the die to a standard size, while giving you adjustability with the neck?

yo-yo · Aug 29, 2024

Rob01 said:
What caliber are you loading?

I'm reloading the 6.5CM.

yo-yo · Aug 29, 2024

KYAggie said:
I have three Hornady seater dies with that older micrometer on top. It does just fine for me, but my favorite micrometer seating dies are Forster, I like those better. I’ve never used the RCBS micrometer seater. As far as bushing dies go, I have Forster and Redding and both have worked well for me. After I bought my first Forster micrometer seater, I have not bought any more Hornadys. For what it’s worth, I do not like the Hornady resizing dies, the Forster and Redding dies turn out better ammo for me. The Hornady seaters with a micrometer are decent and not worth upgrading for my applications, but new stuff will be Forster or Redding for me.

Interesting...Ok, I'll look into the Forster stuff.

yo-yo · Aug 29, 2024

308pirate said:
Sell those and buy a Forster

Funny! I can return them. I'm looking into the Forster stuff now.

yo-yo · Aug 29, 2024

TwistedOneinSeven said:
^^ as @308pirate
Get the Forster micrometer seating die.
I have a couple of them - excellent.

Thanks for the input. I'm going to look into them now. Thanks!

stello1001 · Aug 29, 2024

I don't think you'll be disappointed. I have mostly rcbs cheap stuff but my forsters are real nice.

yo-yo · Aug 29, 2024

stello1001 said:
I don't think you'll be disappointed. I have mostly rcbs cheap stuff but my forsters are real nice.

Thanks. Interesting. I’ll give them a go!

Cascade Hemi · Aug 30, 2024

The Matchmaster micrometer seating die is decent. I've got plenty of Forster dies and I think the RCBS is as good. I'd throw the Hornady dies in a lake.

Rob01 · Aug 30, 2024

yo-yo said:
Interesting...I wondered. I would like to try the die with specific neck sizing bushings. When using these dies, does the dies resize the body of the die to a standard size, while giving you adjustability with the neck?

Yes with a FL Bushing sizing die. You are able to bump the shoulder back .001" and the rest of the body is sized down but it allows you to adjust neck tension depending on the brass being used as there are differences between brands and with a standard FL die one can be .001" and the other can be .006" of neck tension. Much better to be able to adjust the neck tension yourself.

They do make neck size only dies which don't touch the body and only size the neck but do not get one of them. You want to be able to size the body down and bump the shoulder for reliability.

To the Forester dies, if you are going to get their set then get this set. You can mix and match though in getting a bushing FL die from one company and a seater from another also.

Bushing Full Length Ultra™ Die Set – Forster Products

Order according to the profile of the specific cartridge.

www.forsterproducts.com

yo-yo · Aug 30, 2024

Cascade Hemi said:
The Matchmaster micrometer seating die is decent. I've got plenty of Forster dies and I think the RCBS is as good. I'd throw the Hornady dies in a lake.

Ok. Funny! I started to feel the same about RCBS, because we keep breaking them. Hornady seems to be overplaying a lot right now. Their load data is a bit ridiculous too. Tried a couple of their suggestions and started blowing primers and can’t eject cases. Moved to some Nosler data and much better performance.

yo-yo · Aug 30, 2024

Rob01 said:
Yes with a FL Bushing sizing die. You are able to bump the shoulder back .001" and the rest of the body is sized down but it allows you to adjust neck tension depending on the brass being used as there are differences between brands and with a standard FL die one can be .001" and the other can be .006" of neck tension. Much better to be able to adjust the neck tension yourself.

They do make neck size only dies which don't touch the body and only size the neck but do not get one of them. You want to be able to size the body down and bump the shoulder for reliability.

To the Forester dies, if you are going to get their set then get this set. You can mix and match though in getting a bushing FL die from one company and a seater from another also.

Bushing Full Length Ultra™ Die Set – Forster Products

Order according to the profile of the specific cartridge.

www.forsterproducts.com

Thanks. That is the set I found. I think I’ll grab it today. I didn’t realize there could be that much difference in neck tension with standard dies. My friend is having all sorts of issues, but is using cases from several different manufacturers. Thanks for the tip!

Cascade Hemi · Aug 30, 2024

yo-yo said:
Ok. Funny! I started to feel the same about RCBS, because we keep breaking them. Hornady seems to be overplaying a lot right now. Their load data is a bit ridiculous too. Tried a couple of their suggestions and started blowing primers and can’t eject cases. Moved to some Nosler data and much better performance.

LM and NM 7/8" die bodies are more susceptible to breaking due to their thin wall thickness. If you do a search here you will find stories of broken dies from other brands as well.

yo-yo · Aug 30, 2024

Rob01 said:
Yes with a FL Bushing sizing die. You are able to bump the shoulder back .001" and the rest of the body is sized down but it allows you to adjust neck tension depending on the brass being used as there are differences between brands and with a standard FL die one can be .001" and the other can be .006" of neck tension. Much better to be able to adjust the neck tension yourself.

They do make neck size only dies which don't touch the body and only size the neck but do not get one of them. You want to be able to size the body down and bump the shoulder for reliability.

To the Forester dies, if you are going to get their set then get this set. You can mix and match though in getting a bushing FL die from one company and a seater from another also.

Bushing Full Length Ultra™ Die Set – Forster Products

Order according to the profile of the specific cartridge.

www.forsterproducts.com

Hey, does this die allow for an "adjustable" amount of the shoulder bump back? What would you do if you wanted more than 0.001"? I was watching some videos of guys bumping them back a little more.

yo-yo · Aug 30, 2024

Rob01 said:
Yes with a FL Bushing sizing die. You are able to bump the shoulder back .001" and the rest of the body is sized down but it allows you to adjust neck tension depending on the brass being used as there are differences between brands and with a standard FL die one can be .001" and the other can be .006" of neck tension. Much better to be able to adjust the neck tension yourself.

They do make neck size only dies which don't touch the body and only size the neck but do not get one of them. You want to be able to size the body down and bump the shoulder for reliability.

To the Forester dies, if you are going to get their set then get this set. You can mix and match though in getting a bushing FL die from one company and a seater from another also.

Bushing Full Length Ultra™ Die Set – Forster Products

Order according to the profile of the specific cartridge.

www.forsterproducts.com

By the way, I didn't see any shell holders on the Forster website. I have an RCBS press I'm using. Will these dies work in the RCBS press?

FLIGHT762 · Aug 30, 2024

^^^ Yes.^^^ And any brand of standard shell holder will work in your press (RCBS, Hornady, Lyman,Lee etc.).

How are measuring your shoulder bump?

Do you know how to measure shoulder bump?

Cascade Hemi · Aug 30, 2024

yo-yo said:
Hey, does this die allow for an "adjustable" amount of the shoulder bump back? What would you do if you wanted more than 0.001"? I was watching some videos of guys bumping them back a little more.

7/8-14 threaded dies move .0714" per full revolution (1/14 = .0714"). Every 5 degrees of turn in, or out, is roughly .001" of depth change.

Rob01 · Aug 30, 2024

yo-yo said:
Hey, does this die allow for an "adjustable" amount of the shoulder bump back? What would you do if you wanted more than 0.001"? I was watching some videos of guys bumping them back a little more.

By adjusting the die down in the press. You should do some more reading on loading ammo before you jump into it. Also you don't want to bump anymore than .002" as you are just asking for case head separations earlier down the road.

yo-yo said:
By the way, I didn't see any shell holders on the Forster website. I have an RCBS press I'm using. Will these dies work in the RCBS press?

Yes.

You can buy shell holders anywhere. They don't have to be the same brand as the die.

yo-yo · Aug 30, 2024

Cascade Hemi said:
LM and NM 7/8" die bodies are more susceptible to breaking due to their thin wall thickness. If you do a search here you will find stories of broken dies from other brands as well.

Oh, gotcha. Does that seem to be an issue limited to the magnum cases?

Rob01 · Aug 30, 2024

yo-yo said:
Oh, gotcha. Does that seem to be an issue limited to the magnum cases?

You will not have issues with a 6.5 Creedmoor. I never had that issue in many thousands of rounds of 300WM and 7mmRM so must be to the large magnums he mentioned.

yo-yo · Aug 30, 2024

FLIGHT762 said:
^^^ Yes.^^^ And any brand of standard shell holder will work in your press (RCBS, Hornady, Lyman,Lee etc.).

How are measuring your shoulder bump?

Do you know how to measure shoulder bump?

Ok. I was confused by Hornady and RCBS both using different numbers and I didn't see that Forster offered one at all, and people were telling me to match the shell holder with the brand of the die. Is that not necessarily accurate?

I haven't measured bump yet. I don't know how yet, but I saw a video of a guy using an attachment in his calipers. Is something like that required?

Cascade Hemi · Aug 30, 2024

yo-yo said:
Oh, gotcha. Does that seem to be an issue limited to the magnum cases?

Its an issue with Lapua/Norma Magnum.

yo-yo · Aug 30, 2024

Cascade Hemi said:
7/8-14 threaded dies move .0714" per full revolution (1/14 = .0714"). Every 5 degrees of turn in, or out, is roughly .001" of depth change.

Ah, gotcha. Is that what the Forster Accu-Ring can be used for?

yo-yo · Aug 30, 2024

Rob01 said:
By adjusting the die down in the press. You should do some more reading on loading ammo before you jump into it. Also you don't want to bump anymore than .002" as you are just asking for case head separations earlier down the road.

Yes.

You can buy shell holders anywhere. They don't have to be the same brand as the die.

Ah, gotcha. Yeah, I will read up on it first. My friend is experienced with standard resizing, but we will both be learning how to resize more specifically now that we are shooting longer distances.

Thanks for the info on the shell holder/dies not needing to match. I was being told they should match and I couldn't find any made by Forster. I thought that was weird.

yo-yo · Aug 30, 2024

Rob01 said:
You will not have issues with a 6.5 Creedmoor. I never had that issue in many thousands of rounds of 300WM and 7mmRM so must be to the large magnums he mentioned.

Ok, gotcha. Yeah, the only round we've had this happen with is the Lapua. Interesting!

yo-yo · Aug 30, 2024

Cascade Hemi said:
Its an issue with Lapua/Norma Magnum.

Ah, interesting! Thanks!

Cascade Hemi · Aug 30, 2024

yo-yo said:
Ok. I was confused by Hornady and RCBS both using different numbers and I didn't see that Forster offered one at all, and people were telling me to match the shell holder with the brand of the die. Is that not necessarily accurate?

I haven't measured bump yet. I don't know how yet, but I saw a video of a guy using an attachment in his calipers. Is something like that required?

Don't take this the wrong way but it is very likely your own error causing broken dies. Breaking a single sizing die is exceptionally rare, breaking more than one is probably user error.

You can use any RCBS style shell holder you want with any 7/8-14 sizing die except for the headspace specific shell holders sold to work specifically within one brand.

Rob01 · Aug 30, 2024

yo-yo said:
I haven't measured bump yet. I don't know how yet, but I saw a video of a guy using an attachment in his calipers. Is something like that required?

Yes. Get the set below and you can easily do it. It goes in your calipers and you measure the fired shoulder and adjust the die down in small increments to get it where it will bump the shoulder back .001-002" max.

Hornady Lock-N-Load Headspace Ga 5 Bushing Set Comparator

The Hornady Lock-N-Load Headspace Gauge is a great tool for increasing the accuracy of your loaded ammunition. The Headspace gauge measures from the...

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FLIGHT762 · Aug 30, 2024

Since we're talking comparator sets, I have used the Hornady set way back when they were Stoney Point. The set work great.

Since then, a new product came out similar the the Hornady set called the Derraco set made down under. It comes with the four most common bump inserts, plus 14 bullet comparators for a price well below the Hornady set if you bought the headspace comparators and the additional bullet comparators.

The Derraco set can be ordered direct through Amazon https://www.amazon.com/Bullet-Headspace-Comparator-Derraco-Engineering/dp/B0CJC5JQ5V for $46.00 or through a U.S. based company called Ugly reloading https://www.uglyreloadingusa.com/product/headspace-and-bullet-comparator-set-c/ for $58.00 shipped to your door (no sales tax).

I bought this set from Ugly Reloading a few months ago. The Derraco set is much more precisely machined than the Hornady set and in my opinion vastly superior to the Hornady set.

Unlike the Hornady comparator insert that sits in the holder with a set screw, the Derraco insert threads into the holder with nicely machined threads.

Just my .02¢ on the issue.

yo-yo · Aug 30, 2024

Cascade Hemi said:
Don't take this the wrong way but it is very likely your own error causing broken dies. Breaking a single sizing die is exceptionally rare, breaking more than one is probably user error.

You can use any RCBS style shell holder you want with any 7/8-14 sizing die except for the headspace specific shell holders sold to work specifically within one brand.

Thanks for the feedback. Yeah, my friend said he believed the die loosened up a bit after several loads and he couldn’t see it. He thought it would have resisted more before breaking it though.
Ok. Thanks for the help understanding the shell holder confusion.

bax · Sep 3, 2024

Cascade Hemi said:
Its an issue with Lapua/Norma Magnum.

I have never heard of anyone breaking a sizing die. What fails? Do the threads shear off? Does the die body crack? Is this failure associated with insufficient case lube?

yo-yo · Sep 4, 2024

bax said:
I have never heard of anyone breaking a sizing die. What fails? Do the threads shear off? Does the die body crack? Is this failure associated with insufficient case lube?

It's super weird. The die body cracks right up the side of it. Uncertain as to the cause. Using the same process as usual. Just the new caliber (.338 Lapua). Might have to do with the sidewall thickness (or thinness) from the larger magnum case.

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