... and where exactly do you think the advanced semi conductors to make said devices (or a vast majority of military hardware for that matter) come from?
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... and where exactly do you think the advanced semi conductors to make said devices (or a vast majority of military hardware for that matter) come from?
Remember when Walmart only sold American made products?
Those parts from China are cheaper because a) we paid for the R&D that they then stole, and b) they have an involuntary workforce.
Yep. And then they forced companies like Masterlock to move product to China because it was going to benefit the consumer by decreasing costs. Unfortunately, those costs never decreased far enough to make up for all the lost paychecks caused when domestic factories closed.
Wal-Mart made a lot of people on Wall Street rich and then built some sweet bike trails around its hometown, so all is forgiven.
It's a high horse to argue that we shouldn't support a communist-backed company? That's wild.They didn't have to "steal" any of our R&D
The "glorious USA corporations" that some of you seem to worship, willingly handed them over to the Chinese corporations to make for them at slave labour based prices for extra profits.
Hey how about you get off your high horse and go bitch at Apple who too many stupid folks seem to worship as "a great virtuous american company" for using near slave labour in China and then Vietnam to make the pretty little ithings you and your families are addicted to?
You are just mad because a Chinese company is doing the EXACT same thing that some "american" company is doing.
The Chinese eventually just got smart and said, why make your fat cats fatter when we can get a bit of that for ourselves.
They didn't have to "steal" any of our R&D
The "glorious USA corporations" that some of you seem to worship, willingly handed them over to the Chinese corporations to make for them at slave labour based prices for extra profits.
Hey how about you get off your high horse and go bitch at Apple who too many stupid folks seem to worship as "a great virtuous american company" for using near slave labour in China and then Vietnam to make the pretty little ithings you and your families are addicted to?
You are just mad because a Chinese company is doing the EXACT same thing that some "american" company is doing.
The Chinese eventually just got smart and said, why make your fat cats fatter when we can get a bit of that for ourselves.
He is an our. He also has way more cachet here than you do.It's a high horse to argue that we shouldn't support a communist-backed company? That's wild.
Who is "our"? You're spelling "labor" with a "u", so you're most likely not an "our".
And yet you are also being propagandized to quite heavily in regards to China and have been for some time.Not understanding that the true enemy within our own borders is acting in alignment with (if not in concert with) the Chinese (and the Cartels) is foolish.
It's not an either/or proposition. It's a multi-front war.
Why is that so difficult to understand?
I'm not a member over on AR15.com, but I have spent time in years gone by reading the mostly-vapid General Discussion.
Some of the people in this thread make them look like damn geniuses.
Yep, people on their Chinese laptops or PCs, going through a Chinese wireless router most likely, to poke me about my Holosun. LOL Uneless you're driving something from the 70s or earlier, and calling people on a rotary phoned landline, everyone here has China all over their vehicle, houses, etc.Can't wait to hear what phone or laptop was used to make this post.
Just like Palmetto is trying to do.....Walmart pretty much was one of the top evil corporations that destroyed the american dream for generations to come.
Corporate greed and scorched earth policies at their most brutal.
Walmart destroyed small towns, destroyed good jobs for Americans, destroyed good choices, all to force you to be able to only buy their cheap china garbage and work at slave wages in their cult like stores.
Yet folks patronize them and worship them and enable them and talk about how great they are.
Asked and answered above. Simple minded comment from a simple minded person.Yep, people on their Chinese laptops or PCs, going through a Chinese wireless router most likely, to poke me about my Holosun. LOL Uneless you're driving something from the 70s or earlier, and calling people on a rotary phoned landline, everyone here has China all over their vehicle, houses, etc.
Um, I've spent time in China. I was counsel to a multibillion-dollar multinational company for over a decade. I kinda sorta have actual lived experience with China's political economy.And yet you are also being propagandized to quite heavily in regards to China and have been for some time.
It goes both ways. Focusing so heavily on China when we are being literally invaded is, I'll say again, retarded.
Are you up set because they are doing all that? Or is it your gov is neither smart enough to stop them,... complaisant,... or in reality deep down don't give a shit? Because, A,... they are reaping from it as well, or B,... they are also fucking you over on everything?Um, I've spent time in China. I was counsel to a multibillion-dollar multinational company for over a decade. I kinda sorta have actual lived experience with China's political economy.
It never ceases to amaze me how people will project their own lack of experience onto others. "I haven't done shit in my. life, so he must not have either."
Some of you have probably heart this before, but an extremely wealthy person used to frequently say, "I've never met someone from China who wasn't a capitalist." Of course he's talking about people in his orbit . . . so uber-wealthy Chinese businessmen. Of course what he left out is that their capitalism is one-sided. They acted like capitalists when they were selling, but when it came to producing, they were using an oppressed, immobile workforce.
One of the things that really opens your eyes when you're in China is the counterfeit market. They have entire shopping malls full of counterfeit goods. And I mean REALLY good counterfeit goods. And I'm not even talking about things like Rolexes and APs. I'm talking even basic consumer goods - We bought some Beats Headphones just to compare them to some actual Beats of the same model that were purchased in the US. The packaging was indistinguishable. Even the texture of the box felt the same. The dimensions and quality of plastic were spot on. It wasn't until you opened them up that you could see a difference (there was a slight weight difference as well, but barely perceptible).
They even had counterfeit Zippos.
Again, entire shopping malls of counterfeit goods. Tens of millions of dollars of stolen in just one mall. They have a centibillion-dollar counterfeit industry and they ship that shit all over the world. Just like Holosun is the result of stolen IP.
Cheap goods (in price and quality) and shitty customer service, floods the market with crap that dupes the inexperienced. Not hard to take down brick and mortar gun shops that way, because many to most have no perception of real quality and too often these days good service is a rare quality anyhow.Care to elaborate?
Just like Palmetto is trying to do.....
Um, I've spent time in China. I was counsel to a multibillion-dollar multinational company for over a decade. I kinda sorta have actual lived experience with China's political economy.
Behind every accusation is a confession.
That is all I need to know right there,...I’m a retired associate of Kissinger
Wait you think they are not capitalists because they use an oppressed, immobile workforce? The only reason that isn't happening here is its illegal which why most of the work that can be done by that type of work force went over there. You can bet your bottom dollar 90 percent of corporate America short strokes themselves dreaming about operating like that.Um, I've spent time in China. I was counsel to a multibillion-dollar multinational company for over a decade. I kinda sorta have actual lived experience with China's political economy.
It never ceases to amaze me how people will project their own lack of experience onto others. "I haven't done shit in my. life, so he must not have either."
Some of you have probably heart this before, but an extremely wealthy person used to frequently say, "I've never met someone from China who wasn't a capitalist." Of course he's talking about people in his orbit . . . so uber-wealthy Chinese businessmen. Of course what he left out is that their capitalism is one-sided. They acted like capitalists when they were selling, but when it came to producing, they were using an oppressed, immobile workforce.
One of the things that really opens your eyes when you're in China is the counterfeit market. They have entire shopping malls full of counterfeit goods. And I mean REALLY good counterfeit goods. And I'm not even talking about things like Rolexes and APs. I'm talking even basic consumer goods - We bought some Beats Headphones just to compare them to some actual Beats of the same model that were purchased in the US. The packaging was indistinguishable. Even the texture of the box felt the same. The dimensions and quality of plastic were spot on. It wasn't until you opened them up that you could see a difference (there was a slight weight difference as well, but barely perceptible).
They even had counterfeit Zippos.
Again, entire shopping malls of counterfeit goods. Tens of millions of dollars of stolen in just one mall. They have a centibillion-dollar counterfeit industry and they ship that shit all over the world. Just like Holosun is the result of stolen IP.
Wait you think they are not capitalists because they use an oppressed, immobile workforce? The only reason that isn't happening here is its illegal which why most of the work that can be done by that type of work force went over there. You can bet your bottom dollar 90 percent of corporate America short strokes themselves dreaming about operating like that.
You're conflating greed with capitalism. They're not the same thing.
Where does this “free market” you speak of exist other than in one’s imagination?And . . . if they did, they wouldn't be capitalists. One of the essential components of -ya know - capitalism is that there is competition in a free market. That goes for products and labor.
You're conflating greed with capitalism. They're not the same thing.
There are a lot of introduction to economics books available for you, and a lot of helpful videos on YouTube. It's never too late to start learning.
Where does this “free market” you speak of exist other than in one’s imagination?
And the moment we actually get real freedom a bunch of selfish scumbags would make it miserable for everyone around them.It never exists for more than a fleeting moment as the moment it begins and some folks become successful, they instantly ALWAYS use their new found wealth to bar the doors to others and create a crony capitalist system that quickly devolves into full on Oligarchy.
It's simple human nature.
Just like how almost nobody and pretty much no government or system of government ever has actually really been willing to embrace true freedom.
no I feel walmart and palmetto are a good comparison because their buying power devalues products to a point where people will not pay retail thus putting mom and pops out of business.Cheap goods (in price and quality) and shitty customer service, floods the market with crap that dupes the inexperienced. Not hard to take down brick and mortar gun shops that way, because many to most have no perception of real quality and too often these days good service is a rare quality anyhow.
I'm not sure I'd relate Palmetto to Walmart, more like Amazon based on the internet sales footprint versus setting up shop in small towns across the US. They'll take your money, send you something that barely cuts the mustard, and then treat you like shit if you have a problem with the product later by jacking your call, ignoring your emails give you the runaround and fail to follow through with what they commit to when you do finally get someone on the line. At least at Walmart you can go see someone face to face.
I have a good shop a couple hours away (normal city trip for living in Wyoming), and patronize it often just because it's a good shop with quality employees and close enough prices to the web. Their store is always jumping every time I'm in there, as many folks still appreciate quality and service.
I have a Trijicon pistol optic. It was my first. My 2nd was a Holosun. My 3rd was a Holosun. And my 4th will likely be a Holosun. Why? Because they're better, IMO (and happen to be less money). It's really that simple. I've compared them side-by-side. I like the Holosun a whole lot more.Trijicon & Aimpoint getting a fire lit under them to innovate and make what people want instead of changing nothing and relying on a patent and govt. contracts for decades is fine by me.
Baloney. I'm originally from a small town in Arkansas. Walmart was the ONLY department store that would set up in small towns. Sears, JC Penney, Kmart, etc.... refused because they thought there was no money to be made in small towns. They were very wrong, of course. Before Walmart, people in those rural towns had to drive for hours to buy sundries, clothes, hardware, etc.Walmart destroyed small towns
Baloney. I'm originally from a small town in Arkansas. Walmart was the ONLY department store that would set up in small towns. Sears, JC Penney, Kmart, etc.... refused because they thought there was no money to be made in small towns. They were very wrong, of course. Before Walmart, people in those rural towns had to drive for hours to buy sundries, clothes, hardware, etc.
Walmart was ALL we had for shopping and were grateful for it! "Destroyed small towns...." HA! What a joke.
Sam Walton was a genius. He went where the big players refused to do business. He went where the competition wasn't. And he ended up putting THEM (Sears, Kmart, etc) out of business. Poetic.
no I feel walmart and palmetto are a good comparison because their buying power devalues products to a point where people will not pay retail thus putting mom and pops out of business.
Yes palmetto also pumps out crap like daggers that people think are good quality and don't even realize how bad they are.
But mostly it's the buying power and race to the bottom on price. When people see an item on palmetto for retail sale for less than I can buy it wholesale, the product loses value. This is the very reason S&W FINALLY started putting MAP pricing on some of their products.
Jamin started his business off as a small company with one little gun store. Moved to Columbia and opened a warehouse with a store front that gave him the opportunity to build in house and create a decent inventory. Slowly managed to obtain some sponsorship and advertising with the big brands. He now has multiple stores and a new warehouse and also manufactures his own products. Is this NOT the American dream? I’m proud of him and what his company has become. He’s made low cost decent products in the beginning and now offers quality firearms at yet a decent price compared to other manufacturers. I’d be hard pressed to believe that 50% or more of you on the HIDE doesn’t at least own one piece of a PSA product!!!!Cheap goods (in price and quality) and shitty customer service, floods the market with crap that dupes the inexperienced. Not hard to take down brick and mortar gun shops that way, because many to most have no perception of real quality and too often these days good service is a rare quality anyhow.
I'm not sure I'd relate Palmetto to Walmart, more like Amazon based on the internet sales footprint versus setting up shop in small towns across the US. They'll take your money, send you something that barely cuts the mustard, and then treat you like shit if you have a problem with the product later by jacking your call, ignoring your emails give you the runaround and fail to follow through with what they commit to when you do finally get someone on the line. At least at Walmart you can go see someone face to face.
I have a good shop a couple hours away (normal city trip for living in Wyoming), and patronize it often just because it's a good shop with quality employees and close enough prices to the web. Their store is always jumping every time I'm in there, as many folks still appreciate quality and service.
Customer service is a shit show everywhere unfortunately due to slack ass lazy fucks that are willing to work these days. Your company and customer service are only as good as your employees make it. Most of which are cocky little tacticool 20 something year olds that know everything but true knowledge. The world we live in today.