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The Optic That Saved Trump's Life
- Thread starter RedBreast21
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Reminds me of this ridiculous bastardization of our very own flag…
FN MAG, made in Belgium. Maybe produced under license in the USA.
Accuracy Internatioal AW or derivative, made in the UK.
Steyr SSG or derivative, made in Austria.
Somekinda M4, made in USA nowadays by Belgian subsidiary.
Steyr HS or derivative, made in Austria.
AK pattern or derivative, made in Russia or other ComBloc territory.
Somekinda M4 again, made in USA nowadays by Belgian subsidiary.
There is barely anything American in this pro - 2A dumbinbredredneckhick flag!
Yep. And then they forced companies like Masterlock to move product to China because it was going to benefit the consumer by decreasing costs. Unfortunately, those costs never decreased far enough to make up for all the lost paychecks caused when domestic factories closed.
Wal-Mart made a lot of people on Wall Street rich and then built some sweet bike trails around its hometown, so all is forgiven.
The fancy process nodes get all the attention of the media, politicians, and investors, but that boring stuff in the "Logic: 28nm+" node is what makes your car run and provides clean water and makes fancy military equipment function. See where that stuff is made and what direction the trend is heading? That's because China realizes the value in these less-sophisticated parts and largely the developed world has moved on to what it perceives as higher-value nodes.
This war was lost long ago, and blaming it on gun owners is about the most moronic take possible. But for someone with virtually no forum history beyond shitposting, it shouldn't come as a surprise. Dude is probably going to be posting a bunch of cope about SIG products, too.
They didn't have to "steal" any of our R&D
The "glorious USA corporations" that some of you seem to worship, willingly handed them over to the Chinese corporations to make for them at slave labour based prices for extra profits.
Hey how about you get off your high horse and go bitch at Apple who too many stupid folks seem to worship as "a great virtuous american company" for using near slave labour in China and then Vietnam to make the pretty little ithings you and your families are addicted to?
You are just mad because a Chinese company is doing the EXACT same thing that some "american" company is doing.
The Chinese eventually just got smart and said, why make your fat cats fatter when we can get a bit of that for ourselves.
Walmart pretty much was one of the top evil corporations that destroyed the american dream for generations to come.
Corporate greed and scorched earth policies at their most brutal.
Walmart destroyed small towns, destroyed good jobs for Americans, destroyed good choices, all to force you to be able to only buy their cheap china garbage and work at slave wages in their cult like stores.
Yet folks patronize them and worship them and enable them and talk about how great they are.
It's a high horse to argue that we shouldn't support a communist-backed company? That's wild.
Who is "our"? You're spelling "labor" with a "u", so you're most likely not an "our".
Indeed!
They may have stolen tech (as much as we did - recall the Microsoft / Xerox saga - we’re all thieves), but most of it was bought fair and square through technology transfer in deals with American companies
Hey guys, sure the Chinese are buying up a bunch of farmland around military bases and whatnot, but the real problem is dude who spend $250 to put a Chinese red dot on their micro pistols because other manufacturers can't be bothered to make a sight that fits.
Maybe use those DC connections you've bragged about to bring some attention to a real problem instead of shitposting on a gun forum.
Maybe use those DC connections you've bragged about to bring some attention to a real problem instead of shitposting on a gun forum.
He is an our. He also has way more cachet here than you do.
American companies:
“Of course I’ll collect sales tax for your state even though we aren’t located there”
“Ewwwww sorry this pistol can use a 19rd mag we won’t be shipping it to you”
“Of course we will still sell our best products to .mil and LE agencies to use against our own people”
“we believe in the constitution” gives fbi your safe code.
“We made this car, it weighs 5300lbs and has no surface without a touchscreen, it’s a hybrid but we pump v8 sounds in to make you feel cool. Heated seats are installed but cost 17$ a month to use, that’ll be $73,000”
Chinese Companies;
“Here are the Glock switches you ordered, that’ll be $7, no one needs to know about this”
“Of course I’ll collect sales tax for your state even though we aren’t located there”
“Ewwwww sorry this pistol can use a 19rd mag we won’t be shipping it to you”
“Of course we will still sell our best products to .mil and LE agencies to use against our own people”
“we believe in the constitution” gives fbi your safe code.
“We made this car, it weighs 5300lbs and has no surface without a touchscreen, it’s a hybrid but we pump v8 sounds in to make you feel cool. Heated seats are installed but cost 17$ a month to use, that’ll be $73,000”
Chinese Companies;
“Here are the Glock switches you ordered, that’ll be $7, no one needs to know about this”
And yet you are also being propagandized to quite heavily in regards to China and have been for some time.
It goes both ways. Focusing so heavily on China when we are being literally invaded is, I'll say again, retarded.
Yep, people on their Chinese laptops or PCs, going through a Chinese wireless router most likely, to poke me about my Holosun. LOL Uneless you're driving something from the 70s or earlier, and calling people on a rotary phoned landline, everyone here has China all over their vehicle, houses, etc.
Buying Holosun funds fentanyl and slavery?
Next thing the OP is going to tell us is smoking weed funds terrorism.
Next thing the OP is going to tell us is smoking weed funds terrorism.
Asked and answered above. Simple minded comment from a simple minded person.
Um, I've spent time in China. I was counsel to a multibillion-dollar multinational company for over a decade. I kinda sorta have actual lived experience with China's political economy.
It never ceases to amaze me how people will project their own lack of experience onto others. "I haven't done shit in my. life, so he must not have either."
Some of you have probably heart this before, but an extremely wealthy person used to frequently say, "I've never met someone from China who wasn't a capitalist." Of course he's talking about people in his orbit . . . so uber-wealthy Chinese businessmen. Of course what he left out is that their capitalism is one-sided. They acted like capitalists when they were selling, but when it came to producing, they were using an oppressed, immobile workforce.
One of the things that really opens your eyes when you're in China is the counterfeit market. They have entire shopping malls full of counterfeit goods. And I mean REALLY good counterfeit goods. And I'm not even talking about things like Rolexes and APs. I'm talking even basic consumer goods - We bought some Beats Headphones just to compare them to some actual Beats of the same model that were purchased in the US. The packaging was indistinguishable. Even the texture of the box felt the same. The dimensions and quality of plastic were spot on. It wasn't until you opened them up that you could see a difference (there was a slight weight difference as well, but barely perceptible).
They even had counterfeit Zippos.
Again, entire shopping malls of counterfeit goods. Tens of millions of dollars of stolen in just one mall. They have a centibillion-dollar counterfeit industry and they ship that shit all over the world. Just like Holosun is the result of stolen IP.
Are you up set because they are doing all that? Or is it your gov is neither smart enough to stop them,... complaisant,... or in reality deep down don't give a shit? Because, A,... they are reaping from it as well, or B,... they are also fucking you over on everything?
Cheap goods (in price and quality) and shitty customer service, floods the market with crap that dupes the inexperienced. Not hard to take down brick and mortar gun shops that way, because many to most have no perception of real quality and too often these days good service is a rare quality anyhow.
I'm not sure I'd relate Palmetto to Walmart, more like Amazon based on the internet sales footprint versus setting up shop in small towns across the US. They'll take your money, send you something that barely cuts the mustard, and then treat you like shit if you have a problem with the product later by jacking your call, ignoring your emails give you the runaround and fail to follow through with what they commit to when you do finally get someone on the line. At least at Walmart you can go see someone face to face.
I have a good shop a couple hours away (normal city trip for living in Wyoming), and patronize it often just because it's a good shop with quality employees and close enough prices to the web. Their store is always jumping every time I'm in there, as many folks still appreciate quality and service.
Or more accurately, just like the venture capital fund that owns Palmetto is trying to do.
I’m a retired associate of that war criminal Kissinger and served in Foreign Affairs for a good deal of my life after my stint in the USMC doing warriery stuff long before MARSOC was even a thing. I had a tenured position in Political Science at one of our Ivy League Universities for 15 years. While doing all that, I managed to simultaneously complete a degree in Electrical Engineering on the side but unfortunately stopped at the M.S. level due to a lack of dedication and interest. I served as a Senior Cosultant to three multi - billion manufacturing conglomerates that had joint operations in the U.S. and Shenzhen and actually speak Cantonese, Mandarin, and Shanghainese (and four other languages apart from what passes off as a lousy excuse for English), long before China became what it is today.
I’ve also been to the beaches of Cancun more times than I can count, and consequently have a deep, thorough understanding of Mexican culture.
You can tell from the content and quality of my posts that I’m not bloviating, and the above credentials validates whatever I say with absolute certainty.
So kneel before me, and thank me for my service.
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Wait you think they are not capitalists because they use an oppressed, immobile workforce? The only reason that isn't happening here is its illegal which why most of the work that can be done by that type of work force went over there. You can bet your bottom dollar 90 percent of corporate America short strokes themselves dreaming about operating like that.
And . . . if they did, they wouldn't be capitalists. One of the essential components of -ya know - capitalism is that there is competition in a free market. That goes for products and labor.
You're conflating greed with capitalism. They're not the same thing.
There are a lot of introduction to economics books available for you, and a lot of helpful videos on YouTube. It's never too late to start learning.
Where does this “free market” you speak of exist other than in one’s imagination?
It never exists for more than a fleeting moment as the moment it begins and some folks become successful, they instantly ALWAYS use their new found wealth to bar the doors to others and create a crony capitalist system that quickly devolves into full on Oligarchy.
It's simple human nature.
Just like how almost nobody and pretty much no government or system of government ever has actually really been willing to embrace true freedom.
And the moment we actually get real freedom a bunch of selfish scumbags would make it miserable for everyone around them.
Alas, humans are their own worst enemy.
no I feel walmart and palmetto are a good comparison because their buying power devalues products to a point where people will not pay retail thus putting mom and pops out of business.
Yes palmetto also pumps out crap like daggers that people think are good quality and don't even realize how bad they are.
But mostly it's the buying power and race to the bottom on price. When people see an item on palmetto for retail sale for less than I can buy it wholesale, the product loses value. This is the very reason S&W FINALLY started putting MAP pricing on some of their products.
I have a Trijicon pistol optic. It was my first. My 2nd was a Holosun. My 3rd was a Holosun. And my 4th will likely be a Holosun. Why? Because they're better, IMO (and happen to be less money). It's really that simple. I've compared them side-by-side. I like the Holosun a whole lot more.
If Trijicon would update their product - it's EXACTLY the same today as the one I bought in 2011 - I'd buy another, even at the higher price than the Holosuns. Make it better, and I'll buy another!
Baloney. I'm originally from a small town in Arkansas. Walmart was the ONLY department store that would set up in small towns. Sears, JC Penney, Kmart, etc.... refused because they thought there was no money to be made in small towns. They were very wrong, of course. Before Walmart, people in those rural towns had to drive for hours to buy sundries, clothes, hardware, etc.
Walmart was ALL we had for shopping and were grateful for it! "Destroyed small towns...." HA! What a joke.
Sam Walton was a genius. He went where the big players refused to do business. He went where the competition wasn't. And he ended up putting THEM (Sears, Kmart, etc) out of business. Poetic.
Perhaps that's your experience.
My experience is seeing once thriving little main streets on towns with lots of little locally run stores providing good jobs and good living for the local citizens and good service.
Then Walmart comes in, temporarily lowers prices below cost to bankrupt everyone, then the entire main street pretty much shuts down and becomes a ghost town, all the jobs and livelihoods are lost, then Walmart slowly hikes the prices up once they are the monopoly and lowers the wages and basically bullies the town around to do what they want anytime they want and tough luck if you don't agree.
Then Walmart demands the local police become essentially Walmart thugs at their beck and call to do anything Walmart says even if it's not right or lawful.
Promised tax revenue never actually shows up and the local homeowners see their taxes go up to cover the "agreements" made to favour Walmart.
Then nobody else pretty much can open any kind of business because Walmart will just crush them to stay the monopoly.
Walmart tried to bully their way into England and do the same thing, but the local stores and folks there were wise and gave them back just the same as they treated others and Walmart tried whining and crying about it and it didn't work.
That B.S. about "devaluing a product" is straight up garbage from folks that want to gouge customers.
Lower prices make products more accessible and more popular and more likely to be bought.
When the maker of the product is getting the same price regardless of who marks up what amount, more sales = more money = more free advertising.
Artificially making a price high does nothing but drive customers to another seller or to another brand.
This is the modern age, customers don't want to "pay retail" they want to get the best deal they can for a specific product.
Some "small gun stores" think they can run their business like a used car dealership, sorry but that won't cut it these days.
Decently run local gun stores that are not overly greedy, are doing very well right now including the one I prefer.
They have an automatic advantage anyways because for firearms PSA has to ship to an FFL and the buyer has to pay a transfer fee usually. On cheap stuff like $400 and less "house brand" PSA pistols, a $35 to $40 transfer fee is a nice little profit earner for something you don't have to have any investment into inventory for.
On most things except like PSA clearance specials, my local small gun store winds up being about the same end price as most internet dealers, including on ammo. When I want something, I can show them what I found online and they can usually tell me if they can order it in and how close they can get on the price, or tell me if they can't order it and I should get it online and have it shipped to them.
They have actually sometimes beaten some of the mail order site supporter dealers on here on price.
Jamin started his business off as a small company with one little gun store. Moved to Columbia and opened a warehouse with a store front that gave him the opportunity to build in house and create a decent inventory. Slowly managed to obtain some sponsorship and advertising with the big brands. He now has multiple stores and a new warehouse and also manufactures his own products. Is this NOT the American dream? I’m proud of him and what his company has become. He’s made low cost decent products in the beginning and now offers quality firearms at yet a decent price compared to other manufacturers. I’d be hard pressed to believe that 50% or more of you on the HIDE doesn’t at least own one piece of a PSA product!!!!
Customer service is a shit show everywhere unfortunately due to slack ass lazy fucks that are willing to work these days. Your company and customer service are only as good as your employees make it. Most of which are cocky little tacticool 20 something year olds that know everything but true knowledge. The world we live in today.
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Customer service, there are two sides to that these days.
There are an awful lot of "buyers" that want essentially tons of hand holding, someone to wipe their rear ends, someone to pickup their messes for them someone to let them get away with being brats and idiots and someone else to take responsibility when they break something or didn't to their research or changed their mind, wants somebody to pay for all this shipping back and forth and so on and so forth.
Those same "buyers" are blathering on about "well the company should just eat it all because... customer service".
Okay sure, but ALL costs of a business eventually get passed on to the public and consumers in the form of higher prices or lower quality or lower selection.
I'm not really happy paying extra for something to cover some idiot that thinks they should be able to use their gear as hammers and have someone else pay for it etc.
Each company has to decide where to draw the line at on things based on their own research on how much hand holding and bending over helps their brand vs how much lower prices help their brand / sales.
My take is different from others, because I work in the grown up world of wholesale new & used stuff where for a lot of stuff there is no "warranty" rather, it's you get what you get and you start bidding your stuff based on expected failure rates / damage rates etc and if failure/loss/damage exceeds expectations most of the time it's negotiate a discount on the next round. And when there is something that goes back, you don't whine about it, you just pack it up pay for some shipping and send it out with your outgoing shipments and eventually get a credit on your account towards future purchases. Or we'll fix broken or not functioning stuff if possible and just move on as before.
"Consumers" could never stand to work with our suppliers and such for the most part because of how terms are and such.
Also you have to put 20 year olds and Indians in customer service eventually because anyone older and truly knowledgeable usually eventually runs out of patience and such to deal with idiots, liars, entitled assholes, and folks without a clue.
