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My Quest for the Big 5 (kinda…)

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Planning:
My quest began 5 years ago. I bought a hunt for plains game in Africa from a charity auction. I took this trip in 2019. I added a Cape Buffalo to this hunt as my first Dangerous Game hunt. The outfitter wasn’t able to provide the Buffalo on his concession and I was sent to another outfitter for this game animal, as well as sable and waterbuck. We hunted these animals at Nahla Safari with Marco Smit. It was the highlight of our trip. My wife and I have remained in contact with Marco and have become good friends over the past 4 years. Marco operates the nicest hunting lodges I’ve seen. He has a huge breeding program with various animals and has connections in most of Africa. We’ve discussed my goal of hunting all of the Big 5 (and Dangerous 7) animals on multiple occasions. We planned a lion hunt for 2020, only to have it delayed by the COVID pandemic. It became a lion and leopard hunt in 2021, but delayed again by life. My wife and I have started a business that diverted hunting funds and delayed my hunting. In 2022, I was able to commit funds to put down on my dream. Marco and I started planning the ultimate Big 5 Safari hunt. Starting with lion and leopard, we added a white rhinoceros. A hippopotamus was added as a substitute for the buffalo since I had already hunted a very nice animal. We also needed bait for the leopard. Elephant was added a few weeks before I departed for the hunt to complete my Big 5 quest.

Rifle:
My initial plan was to use a 375 WSM that was built by Jon Beanland a few years ago. Andrew at McCourt Munitions designed and loaded a great round that proved very capable on Water Buffalo in Argentina, Canadian Moose, Cape Buffalo, and various other animals. We were comfortable using it on this hunt. When I added a last minute elephant, I decided that I should build a bigger rifle. Jon and I were piecing together a switch barrel rifle project over the past year. We had planned 300 PRC initially. The plan was to use a Terminus Action Zeus QC with Bartlein barrel in a XLR Chassis. I had the chassis and barrels were ordered last year. After the addition of elephant, I started looking at bigger calibers that would help me be more comfortable with hunting elephant. I started looking for available barrels and found a 416 barrel at Bartlein. It needed to be contoured to a more hunting friendly size, as it was intended for long range use. Jon was able to get Bartlein to thin it down a little in a hurry and the barrel arrived a couple weeks later. Simultaneously we were working on acquiring the action in a hurry. We had been waiting on the other barrels and I hadn’t ordered the action yet. Joel at Terminus Actions came to the rescue and was able to provide an action in a hurry. Crisis number 2 averted. The next issue became picking a 416 cartridge. Rigby, Remington Magnum and Ruger all fit the template for what I needed from a performance standpoint. Rigby wasn’t optimal in this design and we could get similar performance from a Ruger. Ammunition availability became the final decider between Ruger and Rem Mag. I was able to obtain 200 rounds of Hornady 416 Ruger and a chamber reamer in weeks time. Jon did his magic and produced an outstanding rifle in the next couple days. With the rifle coming together, I shifted my focus to optics. After researching several options and looking through my available scopes, I decided a new scope was needed. I ordered a Tangent Theta 3-15x50 Long Range Hunter for this setup from Doug at Camera Land NY, and he was able to ship it quickly. I received the rifle 3 weeks before my hunt. The scope arrived about 2 days later. I also ordered rings from American Precision Arms, but made an error in height. The rings were too short and resulted in the objective hitting the barrel. I was able to switch the rings from another rifle for the APA rings. The TT LRH now sits in a set of Seekins rings that provide adequate barrel clearance. I hit the range to test my setup. Unfortunately we ran into yet another issue. The recoil of the 416 Ruger resulted in rounds moving forward in the magazine to lodge between the front ribs. That would jam the magazine and result in malfunction in feeding. After a conversation with Jon and Andrew McCourt, the solution became to mill out one rib and narrow the front flanges to allow the rounds to feed even if they slipped forward. Jon was able to modify the magazine and return it to me in time for one last range session. The magazine functioned appropriately on the range and I packaged everything for my trip. I know it isn’t a typical safari setup, but I’m not typical.

Outfitter/Professional Hunter:
The hunts were booked through Marco Smit at Nahla Safaris. He was able to work with partners in South Africa for the lion and rhinoceros. The hippopotamus, leopard and elephant were all booked in Zimbabwe with Mbalabala Safaris (PH Pierre Hundermark) through Cape to Cairo Safari (owner Cedric Nieuwoudd).

Travel:
I chose the fly Delta Airlines out of my home airport of Oklahoma City to Atlanta and then to Johannesburg South Africa. I’ve taken 3 different routes on 3 different airlines on trips to Africa and this was by far the easiest and shortest. With permits for the rifle, invitation letter from the PH and my passport in hand, I headed to the airport on 31 Aug. I arrived in Johannesburg on 01 Sept. Marco met me there. We overnighted at the airport hotel and took a morning flight on Airlink to Harare Zimbabwe. From there we chartered a flight to Kariba for the first part of our hunt. The night was spent at Warthogs Lodge on Lake Kariba. The owner, Goat, and his wife were very accommodating. We were visited by a herd of elephants, bushbuck, waterbuck and hippos throughout the evening and night. Goat took us across Lake Kariba the next morning to begin our hunt. I hope to make it back to Lake Kariba one day to visit Goat more and enjoy fishing for tiger fish.

Hippopotamus Hunt:
This hunt started with a huge mistake. We didn’t take the time to check the zero on my rifle and it came back to haunt us. We spent a few hours searching for a large bull. We scoured the coast line near Gache Gache in the southeast part of Lake Kariba. We finally found a bull wading in a 2-3 feet of water. He was around 140 yards off the beach in a flat. We stalked down to the edge of the water and I laid prone for a head shot. I used a bipod and a rear support to stabilize the rifle for a precise shot. Unfortunately the bull spotted the remaining crew and truck parked about 50 yards off the beach in grass. He laid down in the water with his head mostly submerged. He’d raise his head briefly to look for the truck and then submerge once again. I targeted an area between his eye and ear. I placed the horizontal crosshair of the scope on the waterline and waited for him to raise his head enough for the impact of the bullet to be about 2” below the eye-ear line. After about 10 minutes of watching him, he raised his head and I sent a round towards him. The impact was called as good, but later review of the video showed that unfortunately my rifle was shooting about 0.5mil low. The bullet impacted the water just short of it’s intended target. The bull jumped up and began running away from us. I sent another round into his left hip to stop or turn him. Mistake number 2 in my opinion was using soft nosed bullets as my PH recommended. The round limited his mobility, but a monolithic bullet might have caused more damage with more penetration. Either way, the bull turned to the right and began moving out to deeper water. I cycled the action for another shot and the last two rounds in the magazine turned down into the magazine jamming. I dropped the magazine and grabbed 4 rounds that I had in my binocular case as backup. I single loaded a round and sent it at the bull. The round struck his right shoulder causing him to stumble. The round penetrated enough to ultimately be fatal, but we wanted to stop him from getting into deeper water. I loaded another round into the chamber and held for his head. The range was called as 150 yards, so I held 0.5 mil, not knowing that the first round landed short. This round landed short of the target. I loaded another round and held 1.0 mil. This round was also short. I asked for a range again and was told 200 yards as the bull was still trying to escape. Ballistics AE showed holdover of 1.2 mil for this distance. I held 1.5 mil and sent another round. Yet again the round fell short. I wrestled the last two rounds from the magazine and held 2.0 mils. I sent that round only to see it splash in the water. This time, I was actually able to see the water impact and determined it was 0.5 mil low. I loaded the last round into the chamber and sent it on a 2.5 mil hold. It impacted perfectly in the bull’s head stopping him in his pursuit for the security of deeper waters. Unfortunately he had made it into water that was about 6 feet deep and he sank to the bottom. The waiting game began at this point. After about an hour, the bull floated enough for a boat to attach a rope to his foot and drag him to the beach. We ranged the boat during recovery at 275 meters (300 yards), which was when I realized that my rifle was indeed shooting 0.5 mil low. We also reviewed the video from the first shot and saw the impact into the water. We recovered the bull and the work of processing the meat began. We loaded most of the meat into the truck and used it for bait during the remainder of the hunt. Some of it went to the local fishermen who helped us recover the bull. Overall, multiple lessons were learned and we moved on to the next adventure.

Travel:
We traveled from Lake Kariba to a camp in Makuti where we stayed the night. We then traveled through the Mana Pools National Park and the Sapi Safari Area to our destination in Chewore South Safari Area. The PH had started baiting sites in this area about 6 days before my arrival. Once we got there with the hippo meat, we hung new meat in several spots and checked the game cameras. I brought 14 new game cameras for the PH and we hung several of these to get better views of our bait sites. We also shot my rifle and confirmed it was indeed 0.5 mil. I adjusted the Tangent Theta LRH scope and it performed flawlessly for the rest of the hunt.

Leopard Hunt:
Over the next couple days, we traveled between bait sites, setting up blinds and checking cameras. We hung new meat and created drags into the bait sites using old blood from prior animal kills. This would serve to lure a leopard to the site by creating a scent trail and covering our scent from work on the site. We sat in our blinds on the first couple nights without luring a leopard into the site during daytime hours. Each night, the leopard would come feed about 30 minutes after we left. On the third day, we caught a break. We checked one of the bait sites and noted large male came into the site before 1800 and stayed until 0700 the next morning. He spent 13 hours feeding on the hippo meat. He was comfortable enough that he chewed the rope holding the meat until it dropped from the tree. He picked the piece up and brought it back into the tree to continue his feast. That tree was clearly his banquet table. He would be back for another feast and we were ready to provide the main course. We hung a new piece of meat and planned to pay him a visit that evening. We stalked in to the blind at 1500 to make sure we didn’t interfere with his arrival if he came early. We waited until shortly after 1800 and he finally showed up. Just as the sun was setting. A few minutes later and we would’ve been forced to let him feast through another night. Fortunately we had enough light to determine it was indeed a large male. He was laying on the tree limb starting to enjoy his new found buffet. I focused the crosshairs and sent the 400 grain soft point through both shoulders, heart and lungs. He rolled off the limb to the ground, never moving again. The shot proved to be almost instantly fatal. He was a beautiful old male leopard that had lived a good long life in the Zambezi Valley. He was a healthy cat that will make an amazing trophy in my house. His death quickly allowed a new male to seize his territory as game cameras showed another male in the tree at 0300 the next morning.

Baboon Hunt:
I shot a nice sized baboon while out looking for an elephant. There was a large group of baboons in a river bottom. I wanted to add the baboon to a leopard mount. My mistake here was using a soft nosed bullet. The monkey was arrogant enough to sit on a ledge near the edge of the river bank about 90 yards away from us, assuming that that distance and height above would offer him security from my rifle. He was incorrect. I quickly held the rifle off hand from a seated position on top of the truck. As the crosshairs settled on the monkey’s chest, I sent the bullet straight through his rib cage and heart. He instantly slumped to the ground. Unfortunately the exit wound ruined any thought of using the baboon in my leopard mount.

Elephant Hunt:
After harvesting an incredible leopard, we turned our attention to a bull elephant. We had seen multiple elephants every day while checking bait sites for leopard. When we focused on elephant, we went the next 2 days without seeing a single elephant. Once again the third day proved fruitful for our hunt. We found a nice set of tracks along a road through the national park. The trackers determined it was from late in the night and we started our stalk. We trailed the bull elephant for 8.6 miles over hills and through valleys until we finally got to fresh tracks suggesting he was near. The trackers spotted the bull in a dense wooded area. He was happily eating the greenery of the river valley. The PH and I stalked into a position about 40 yards from the giant beast. He was in the shade of the thick brush and was difficult for me to define a sure target. He briefly turned facing us and I focused on a frontal shot slightly above his eyes. He turned again and walked away from us a few more yards to feed again. Pierre and I stalked slowly through a dry shallow ravine and worked our way into a closer position on the bull elephant. Cedric and Marco followed closely behind. Pierre and I set up about 30 yards from the bull and waited for him to turn for a broadside shot. He turned to the left and walked into a clearing. I sent my first round into his shoulder. At the sound of the shot, Pierre fired his 470 double rifle, but ended up firing both barrels in rapid succession. The elephant stumbled and fell. He stood back up. Cedric fired a shot and I cycled my bolt to send a second round into the bull. He stumbled again, but quickly turned towards us. Pierre instructed us to retreat behind a nearby tree. I quickly moved the 10 feet to behind the tree and spun around to fire a third shot. As I aimed at the bull’s head and squeezed the trigger, all I heard was a click. In the commotion of the retreat, I hit the magazine release on the XLR chassis and dropped my magazine. I found it about 3 feet from where I was standing. I was able to grab the magazine, load and round and send a third round into the bull as he ran about 20 feet from our hiding spot. The bull turned to the right and ran away from us. He collapsed about 70 yards from the tree. Pierre and I raced towards the bull. I sent a final shot into the back of his skull ending the multiple hour stalk for this bull. The skinners spent the next 6 hours working on this beast. The meat went to feed a nearby town. The bull’s death will help the surrounding community live.

Hyena Hunt:
We were able to harvest our three intended target animals much quicker than planned, so we used the next couple days to focus on something different. We used the offal from the elephant as bait for a hyena. We built a blind overlooking the elephant after finding evidence that multiple hyena feasted on his remains the night after his harvest. We stalked in early the next morning and two hyenas were working their way into the bait site right at sunrise. A nice male was making his way to the meat and I placed the crosshairs on his lower shoulder. I sent the bullet through both shoulders and he rolled to his side to breathe he last short breath. He was dead before we could walk to him. He will make a nice addition to a leopard mount.

Travel:
We are preparing to travel to South Africa to complete my hunt… More to come….

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Well told , and I like that you didn’t edit out the things that didn’t go as planned .
Seems something goes wrong when ever I take new gear that I’m extremely familiar with things don’t go as planned and I do a lot of fumbling with my big ham hands . Thanks for the tale . The big 5 has always been a dream of mine .
 
Awesome read. Thanks for posting. The challenge and danger of hunting the Big Five makes it one of the most apex hunting adventures one can embark on a lifetime. There are guys from my old N/SSA unit who have completed the hunt with an Enfield .577 two band rifled musket, one with a .577 caliber Cook & Bros. Musketoon (Confederate reproduction of Enfield pattern musketoon), another with a beautiful Pedersoli reproduction of a Model 1886 Winchester in .45-70 with an Uberti Springfield 1873 Trapdoor 'Officer's Model' carbine as a backup, and another with a massive October Country .72 caliber muzzleloader, an absolute beast of a rifle delivering almost half the muzzle energy of the .50 BMG cartridge.

It is not only about the hunt, but the travels and adventure along the way. You will be at the raw mercy of nature and some days and weeks will be a test of your endurance and outdoor survival skills. Good luck on the next leg of your adventure in South Africa.
 
What happens to the tusks? I know I've read about some crazy regs. Are you able to export them?
Yes, this elephant should be exportable. He was harvested on a Zimbabwe National Park quota. The USFWS takes the import on a case by case basis, but everyone involved said they weren’t aware of a single case being turned down under these circumstances. So, I should be able to import them into the US.
 
Congratulations on your leopard, that was the most difficult hunt of my life and had been hunting 60 years!
Thank you. The elephant hunt was my toughest. I walked a bunch of miles for that elephant. Couple days without seeing one after tracking them. Then the successful hunt was 9 miles over hills and we shot him within 100 yards of a road. Just wish he would’ve walked in that area from that road and not the other direction! LOL
 
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Well told , and I like that you didn’t edit out the things that didn’t go as planned .
Seems something goes wrong when ever I take new gear that I’m extremely familiar with things don’t go as planned and I do a lot of fumbling with my big ham hands . Thanks for the tale . The big 5 has always been a dream of mine .
I made a few mistakes and I think I got bad advice in some areas. Overall though, it was a great experience.
 
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Awesome read. Thanks for posting. The challenge and danger of hunting the Big Five makes it one of the most apex hunting adventures one can embark on a lifetime. There are guys from my old N/SSA unit who have completed the hunt with an Enfield .577 two band rifled musket, one with a .577 caliber Cook & Bros. Musketoon (Confederate reproduction of Enfield pattern musketoon), another with a beautiful Pedersoli reproduction of a Model 1886 Winchester in .45-70 with an Uberti Springfield 1873 Trapdoor 'Officer's Model' carbine as a backup, and another with a massive October Country .72 caliber muzzleloader, an absolute beast of a rifle delivering almost half the muzzle energy of the .50 BMG cartridge.

It is not only about the hunt, but the travels and adventure along the way. You will be at the raw mercy of nature and some days and weeks will be a test of your endurance and outdoor survival skills. Good luck on the next leg of your adventure in South Africa.
Thank you. It was a great experience. It made me want a double rifle in the end. Maybe I am the traditional big game hunter…
 
Amazing! Congrats! Hell of an ele too!
I dream of hunting Africa every day!
Doing the big 5 can get expensive, but Africa hunting overall isn’t that bad. You can get there for a little over $1000 and you can hunt a bunch of animals for a few hundred each (as long as you are after representative animals). I’ve seen multiple packages at my local SCI banquet go for minimum bids or not even get a bid. Often they have 4-5 animals included. Heck, I bought a couple a few years ago and gave them away. I didn’t want to see them not get purchased.
 
I finished my hunt and am headed back to the US. I’ve decided I’m going to put my hunting stories on this trip together and submit to a magazine. Hopefully I can get them published somewhere. Think my kids would love seeing it in print one day When I’m too old to tell the stories. Or to correct me when I tell the story and the animals have grown significantly!!

Here’s the last leg in South Africa:
Rhinoceros Hunt:
We started our hunt for a Southern White Rhinoceros bull early on 13 Sept. My budget wouldn’t allow for a massive rhino, but I also wanted a record book worthy specimen. We spent about 4 hours looking at various rhino bulls like Goldilocks. Some were too big. Some too small. We found 2 bulls that fit into my budget range. We studied each bull for several minutes before deciding on our preferred target. Once we had the perfect bull picked, we started our stalk. The targeted bull was facing us and we weren’t able to get a shot in this position. We waited for around 20 minutes without the bull turned broadside. There was a large tree about 30 yards to our right. We moved towards that tree, but the bull spooked and turned to run. We quickly set up on shooting sticks. The bull had turned and was quartering away from our position. Knowing that we might not be able to get a better position, Alexander gave the command to fire. I positioned the crosshairs behind the shoulder and fired. The rhino dropped momentarily and then started to run. I fired two more rounds into his hindquarters to slow his escape with the last shot being between 280-300 yards off. We found him in a very thick brush area several hundred yards from where we last spotted him. He was dispatched as quickly as possible. His front horn measured 22” with total measurement of 81”. He missed silver medal by just 5/8”, but was a fine white rhino that will be a prize among my trophies.

Travel:
We left Steyn Safaris and headed towards Tosca. Between Ganyesa and Tosca, we arrived at Africa Serapa Safaris after a 5 hour drive. We were met at the gate by the PH, Theunie. He escorted us down the long drive to the lodge. The drive up to the main lodge was breathtaking. Walking into the lodge was even more impressive. We enjoyed a quick brunch and made plans for the adventure that laid ahead.

Lion Hunting:
We started our hunt for an African Lion by driving the roadways in search of fresh tracks. The game area at Africa Serapa Safaris is over 18,000 acres. We luckily found tracks for a large male in the first hour of driving. We started our pursuit of the lion on foot and navigated through and around thick brush. We tracked him 4 miles over the course of 3 1/2 hours. He was sitting behind a tree and brush. Seemingly ready to attack us as we walked by. The tracker spotted him as we walked near the tree. I dropped to a knee and fired a round into the lion’s chest. He jumped and I shot a second time. He hit the ground and turned. I fired another round into his chest, and he fell dead to the ground. He was only 8 yards from my position. We moved into a position in front of the large male to check for any signs of life. He had taken his last breath. He was a large older male with a beautiful dark mane. A trophy that I had longed to collect and the reason this entire adventure was planned. What a perfect ending to my amazing Big 5 adventure.
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Awesome story. I'm so jealous that I can't stand it.

If you had it to do over again, would you have gone with a shorter barrel? My rifles have continually gotten shorter the longer I've owned suppressors, and I wonder if you felt that when you were 8 yards from a lion and your rifle with suppressor was 9 feet long?
 
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Awesome story. I'm so jealous that I can't stand it.

If you had it to do over again, would you have gone with a shorter barrel? My rifles have continually gotten shorter the longer I've owned suppressors, and I wonder if you felt that when you were 8 yards from a lion and your rifle with suppressor was 9 feet long?
I’m seriously considering cutting the barrel to 20” and fluting it to drop some weight. The weight is good when you are shooting it on the bench to zero, but in the field, the recoil isn’t noticeable, so the weight just adds more to carry.

I’d also love to find a pad for the forend. Safari carry with that hard metal forend was a little difficult.
 
This is something I'd like to do, but I'd forego the elephant and rhino... nothing wrong with hunting them but personally not interested. The cats, a buffalo, the baboon, and plains game would be a great hunt. Congrats.

I have a .375 H&H Win M70 and an A-Square .470 Capstick. I'd like to bring them and a lighter rifle... an '06 maybe. But I understand there's a two-rifle limit.

I was surprised to see you have to take so many followup shots with a .416. Was it the bullet choices, bad hits, ???
 
So jealous here. I cannot ever imagine getting together the money to do this without endangering my family's future economic stability. I suppose I will have to be content with collecting the entire Peter Capstick library instead.
 
I have a question: that rhino looks to have had an ear tag at some point. Are they relocating them, counting them or what that he would need a tag?
 
I have a question: that rhino looks to have had an ear tag at some point. Are they relocating them, counting them or what that he would need a tag?
The rhino was a breeding bull. Apparently that is the best way to harvest one and get it back into the US. It was a bunch of legal paperwork to get approval to shoot it. The ranch where we hunted has a huge breeding program. We hunted in a 10,000 acre “pasture” with several bulls. They are tagged based on horn size and you can shoot a color based on price.
 
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This is something I'd like to do, but I'd forego the elephant and rhino... nothing wrong with hunting them but personally not interested. The cats, a buffalo, the baboon, and plains game would be a great hunt. Congrats.

I have a .375 H&H Win M70 and an A-Square .470 Capstick. I'd like to bring them and a lighter rifle... an '06 maybe. But I understand there's a two-rifle limit.

I was surprised to see you have to take so many followup shots with a .416. Was it the bullet choices, bad hits, ???
On all of the dangerous game, the guides wanted me to keep shooting until I was out of ammo. The hippo was laying in water and was a tough shot. When we reviewed video of my shots, I hit the water right by his head with the first shot. Everything else was trying to stop him ASAP. That area is loaded with hippo and crocs. If he got into deeper water, he was gone forever. The rhino was the one that surprised me the most. I hit him in the crease behind his shoulder, which should’ve been the “thinnest” area of hide. He dropped, but stood back up and ran. I hit him several times with solids before he died. He was the animal that made me wish I would’ve had a bigger gun.
 
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Always wanted to bag a tuskless elephant. They are a bane to the herd. Will III and actually discussed a games plain hunt. Actually not that much more expensive than a 3 day hunt for Pronghorn in New Mexico, go figure, but I suspect we will do neither. Shootin steel will have to do for me.
 
Always wanted to bag a tuskless elephant. They are a bane to the herd. Will III and actually discussed a games plain hunt. Actually not that much more expensive than a 3 day hunt for Pronghorn in New Mexico, go figure, but I suspect we will do neither. Shootin steel will have to do for me.
The elephant that I harvested was a problem bull. They wanted him gone. The price was VERY reasonable.
 
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I'm going for plains game in mid-August to the Limpopo area of South Africa, 8 animals in 10 days with a couple extra days for scouting and sighting in. If my relatives will stop dying I can get back to my hunting prep and stop traveling all over the country.
Good luck on your hunt. I can’t wait to go back. Want a free-range Cape and a croc. I’d also like to start my tiny 10 collection.
 
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I dunno about going after dangerous game with a match bolt gun that jams.
Once I figured out that it wouldn’t jam if I left at least one round in the magazine, it worked great. Only needed 1 round on the leopard. Shot the lion 3 times, but only because he was so close to us. I wanted to make sure he was dead.
 
Beautiful lion
Agreed (and the other animals), sad some tosser killed it. At my shooting clubs, many of the other members hunt, either deer (over population), foxes to protect livestock, rabbits etc, which is fine, no issues with that. I don't have any issues with people hunting and eating what they kill/over population, etc, but hunting big game to 'tick a box' (tiny penis syndrome :)) pisses me off. Roast my comments all you like, I couldn't give a toss.
 
Agreed (and the other animals), sad some tosser killed it. At my shooting clubs, many of the other members hunt, either deer (over population), foxes to protect livestock, rabbits etc, which is fine, no issues with that. I don't have any issues with people hunting and eating what they kill/over population, etc, but hunting big game to 'tick a box' (tiny penis syndrome :)) pisses me off. Roast my comments all you like, I couldn't give a toss.
Your comment shows how truly naive you are and how little you know about true wildlife conservation.

If it wasnt for hunters dollars the wildlife in Africa would probably be extinct by now. If you think any of those animals were "waisted" again you show how uneducated you are in African culture.

After an elephant is killed the only thing left not to be consumed is the contents of the intestines and stomach. It feeds hundreds of local people.

But you dont want to hear it or probably even find the truth so we'll just go on knowing you're a Wanker.
 
Agreed (and the other animals), sad some tosser killed it. At my shooting clubs, many of the other members hunt, either deer (over population), foxes to protect livestock, rabbits etc, which is fine, no issues with that. I don't have any issues with people hunting and eating what they kill/over population, etc, but hunting big game to 'tick a box' (tiny penis syndrome :)) pisses me off. Roast my comments all you like, I couldn't give a toss.
@Rob01

Hey sir, do we allow this here? Bashing people for legal and ethical hunting practices?

I hope you ban everyone on this idiot's general vicinity. Please launch this moron.
 
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Your comment shows how truly naive you are and how little you know about true wildlife conservation.

If it wasnt for hunters dollars the wildlife in Africa would probably be extinct by now. If you think any of those animals were "waisted" again you show how uneducated you are in African culture.

After an elephant is killed the only thing left not to be consumed is the contents of the intestines and stomach. It feeds hundreds of local people.

But you dont want to hear it or probably even find the truth so we'll just go on knowing you're a Wanker.

As my comment, I don't have any issues with ethical hunting, however, in my opinion trophy hunting is just sad.
 
So what is your definition of "Ethical Hunting" and "Trophy Hunting"??
Trophy hunting - hunting big game just so that you can either boast about what you have killed and/or to mount the animals head on the wall. In my opinion, just sad e.g. https://www.worldanimalprotection.org/latest/blogs/cecil-lion/


As I have said above, no issues with hunting for food/land conservation, etc, in fact I shoot simulated hunts (fixed target deer, running boar) . At a clay shoot many years ago, someone bought a couple of rabbits they had hunted the previous night because someone wanted to cook them, I encouraged by son (then aged <10 years old) to watch them prepared (gutted and skinned), so that he is aware where meat comes from.