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Jason Yenko · Sep 8, 2024

Went to get some supplies for load testing and noticed right away the prices on powder and primers has made another big jump. Powder prices were increased by $10-$15 dollars a pound and primers were increased by $30 fricken bucks to $120.00 dollars for a box of a thousand.
I wonder how effective a "boycott" of some type would be.
They're straight up GOUGING the crap out of us.

Look forward to some thoughts, opinions, and ideas.

ma smith · Sep 8, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
Look forward to some thoughts, opinions, and ideas.

26lb of powder in a single 155mm artillery round...
vs
30/7000th lb of powder in a 6 BR case...

you do the math...

Huskydriver · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
Went to get some supplies for load testing and noticed right away the prices on powder and primers has made another big jump. Powder prices were increased by $10-$15 dollars a pound and primers were increased by $30 fricken bucks to $120.00 dollars for a box of a thousand.
I wonder how effective a "boycott" of some type would be.
They're straight up GOUGING the crap out of us.

Look forward to some thoughts, opinions, and ideas.

You just wake up out of a coma?

Hecouldgoalltheway · Sep 9, 2024

ma smith said:
26lb of powder in a single 155mm artillery round...
vs
30/7000th lb of powder in a 6 BR case...

you do the math...

There is no powder in a 155 artillery shell.

The propellent is a separate component and has about as much in common with your smokeless 6br powder as you have with a toaster oven. I don't even think a full charge of powder weighs near 26lbs, (from memory of course). So, where did you get that number from?

oldnewguy · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
I wonder how effective a "boycott" of some type would be.

That isn't how supply and demand works

Deadman Pointers · Sep 9, 2024

You guys boycott... it's the only way I'm going to get my hands on Varget and Retumbo.

Huskydriver · Sep 9, 2024

Hecouldgoalltheway said:
There is no powder in a 155 artillery shell.

The propellent is a separate component and has about as much in common with your smokeless 6br powder as you have with a toaster oven. I don't even think a full charge of powder weighs near 26lbs, (from memory of course). So, where did you get that number from?

You ever load and fire a 155mm system?

Ledzep · Sep 9, 2024

Hecouldgoalltheway said:
There is no powder in a 155 artillery shell.

The propellent is a separate component and has about as much in common with your smokeless 6br powder as you have with a toaster oven. I don't even think a full charge of powder weighs near 26lbs, (from memory of course). So, where did you get that number from?

The primary ingredient in propellant for artillery, medium cal, small cal, and rockets is all nitrocellulose...

Ledzep · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
Went to get some supplies for load testing and noticed right away the prices on powder and primers has made another big jump. Powder prices were increased by $10-$15 dollars a pound and primers were increased by $30 fricken bucks to $120.00 dollars for a box of a thousand.
I wonder how effective a "boycott" of some type would be.
They're straight up GOUGING the crap out of us.

Look forward to some thoughts, opinions, and ideas.

There are a precious few powder manufacturers in the United States and as far as I'm aware they're all "Commercial run DoD owned" or some flavor as such (if not outright DoD run). The rest comes from import from Australia and Europe mostly. I guess one exception in Canada (if that's still a thing?). If you can imagine, Europe is a little worried with current/local events.

The EPA and to a lesser extent OSHA pretty much make the idea of a new powder manufacturing plant in the US a slim chance at best. Going to take an absolute ton of money and a lot of time to get something new going.

So you get what you get and be grateful for it is the unfortunate reality. Boycotting isn't going to fix anything-- probably the opposite (if it did work-- and it won't. You won't hide the demand).

gunsnjeeps · Sep 9, 2024

Deadman Pointers said:
You guys boycott... it's the only way I'm going to get my hands on Varget and Retumbo.

I don't think a boycott will help me find H4895.

Hecouldgoalltheway · Sep 9, 2024

Huskydriver said:
You ever load and fire a 155mm system?

Many times. A 198, long ago..

stanley_white · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
Look forward to some thoughts, opinions, and ideas.

Get a job that pays you more.

Choose a less expensive hobby.

-Stan

Jason Yenko · Sep 9, 2024

Excellent response. Very well thought out.
I'm a $70 dollar an hour Union pipe welder.
I've been building my own rifles and reloading and testing ammo for 20 years. The increase in the prices of reloading components over the last few years has been overly ridiculous.
Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.

Jason Yenko · Sep 9, 2024

Huskydriver said:
You just wake up out of coma?
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Shit....you got me. I did. How did you know. I could only envy that level of intelligence.
Thank you so much for the productive reply. This site would be so much less without your presence.

Thanks again.

Huskydriver · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
Shit....you got me. I did. How did you know. I could only envy that level of intelligence.
Thank you so much for the productive reply. This site would be so much less without your presence.

Thanks again.

Huskydriver · Sep 9, 2024

Hecouldgoalltheway said:
Many times. A 198, long ago..

Then you would know how much a max charge could potentially weigh....

Back in the day on a 198 it would be a red bag...Or in the current macs system a charge 5 or 6h....

Hint...it's over 25lbs

supercorndogs · Sep 9, 2024

The weird thing is after 4 years of sky high pricing. I have noticed primers trending down lately.

MK20 · Sep 9, 2024

Yeah. Primers are way down.

I got some good powder here yesterday for 25 bucks a pound shipped.

I am happy.

Slides · Sep 9, 2024

I still find it bizarre that guys in the US say EPA or OHSA make stuff like powder or lead core bullet manufacturing impossible when your railways seem to have numerous safety incidents and you kill people in mines in ways that stopped occurring in Australia 3 decades ago. Likewise you are undoubtedly producing ammonium nitrate/emulsion and high explosives for detonators/boosters for mining and civil works all over the place. What gives?

Hecouldgoalltheway · Sep 9, 2024

Huskydriver said:
Then you would know how much a max charge could potentially weigh....

Back in the day on a 198 it would be a red bag...Or in the current macs system a charge 5 or 6h....

Hint...it's over 25lbs

Yeah, I remember the max charge was a charge 8 red bag, and I've loaded a bunch of green bag stuff, but I don't remember the charges being that heavy. We are talking circa 2002, so I couldn't come close to telling you what any of it actually weighed. Also never saw any red bag powder. We used to wonder if it even existed. Seems like a full charge of green bag may have been half of that.

308pirate · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
I'm a $70 dollar an hour Union pipe welder.

I guess that's not enough

Basic user · Sep 9, 2024

I called several manufacturers to ask them this very question and they said what was said above; the components of components are being sucked up in new massive European ammo contracts. Specfically H4895, 8208, and primers. It's SUPER annoying. Youre not going to save that boat; quit fucking everyone around you in a futile effort to do so lol.

D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷ · Sep 9, 2024

Wait till OP sees the price of a new truck.

Huskydriver · Sep 9, 2024

D̷e̷v̷i̷l̷D̷o̷c̷A̷Z̷ said:
Wait till OP sees the price of a new truck.

Or a small house

hlee · Sep 9, 2024

Weird, I got this from Midsouth over the weekend. A sale on primers…

OkieMike · Sep 9, 2024

Slides said:
Likewise you are undoubtedly producing ammonium nitrate/emulsion and high explosives for detonators/boosters for mining and civil works all over the place. What gives?

Using explosives requires permitting and licensing and bureaucratic red tape... And is seen as a legitimate part of "essential" business.

Smokeless powder requires no licensing/permitting (yet) for the average citizen to purchase/possess... But is used for loading ammo for evil, scary guns.

Adding burdensome government regulations bottlenecks supply and increases prices which act to discourage participation in reloading/shooting.

Politics is "what gives."

Mike

ma smith · Sep 9, 2024

Fun with numbers...

ma smith · Sep 9, 2024

1 day of armed conflict in Ukraine burns the same powder qty as ±1 year of retail-match-ammo production...

Shoots 700's · Sep 9, 2024

You are either a troll or just woke up from January 2020

918v · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
Went to get some supplies for load testing and noticed right away the prices on powder and primers has made another big jump. Powder prices were increased by $10-$15 dollars a pound and primers were increased by $30 fricken bucks to $120.00 dollars for a box of a thousand.
I wonder how effective a "boycott" of some type would be.
They're straight up GOUGING the crap out of us.

Look forward to some thoughts, opinions, and ideas.

you should sue the democrats

MO Fugga · Sep 9, 2024

Go be poor somewhere else!

Darryle · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
Excellent response. Very well thought out.
I'm a $70 dollar an hour Union pipe welder.
I've been building my own rifles and reloading and testing ammo for 20 years. The increase in the prices of reloading components over the last few years has been overly ridiculous.
Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.

He gave you two options, first isn't applicable, so I suggest going with the second one

Besides, you suggested a boycott, so some level of ignorance is apparent, because boycotts never work, especially when you have people willing to pay 10-15 times what reloading components used to cost.

I suggest not going to Gunbroker unless you have a good cardiologist on tap, you'll likely have a stroke

Jason Yenko · Sep 9, 2024

MO Fugga said:
Go be poor somewhere else!

Jason Yenko · Sep 9, 2024

ma smith said:
1 day of armed conflict in Ukraine burns the same powder qty as ±1 year of retail-match-ammo production...

What about 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Prices never went up then.

Jason Yenko · Sep 9, 2024

308pirate said:
I guess that's not enough

Baaahaaahaaa I make way more money than you....Baaahaaahaaa!!!

Hecouldgoalltheway · Sep 9, 2024

And soon we will be in the bear pit, and then people will really tell you how they feel.

ma smith · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
What about 20 years ago...

You're clearly just waking up from some kind of nap...

Im2bent · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
Baaahaaahaaa I make way more money than you....Baaahaaahaaa!!!

And yet here you are whining about prices.
Perhaps go to this thread and send an open letter to the manufacturers to express your dissatisfaction? https://www.snipershide.com/shooting/threads/powder-unavailability.7210217/

918v · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
What about 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Prices never went up then.

That consumed about a month’s supply of powder. And prices doubled.

psharon78 · Sep 9, 2024

If you think reloading prices are high, wait until you go grocery shopping...

Jason Yenko · Sep 9, 2024

psharon78 said:
If you think reloading prices are high, wait until you go grocery shopping...

Oh wow!!! I never thought of that. Good one.

supercorndogs · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
What about 20 years of war in Iraq and Afghanistan? Prices never went up then.

You slept through those shortages too ehh. I don't know how to tell this but it has happenned every 4-8 years since I have been alive. I can remeber 8lbers were 80 dollars. And a new pickup was 20k.

Jason Yenko · Sep 9, 2024

Yeah...slept. damn it you got me. I can't believe the glowing intelligence in these comments. Absolutely blown away.
Thanks for your reply.

918v · Sep 9, 2024

When I started reloading 30 years ago I was paying $10 a pound for powder, $1 for a hundred primers and $12 for a box of 30cal bullets. Prices went up steadily but jumped a lot during panicks.

supercorndogs · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
Yeah...slept. damn it you got me. I can't believe the glowing intelligence in these comments. Absolutely blown away.
Thanks for your reply.

Thanks for the thread sometimes it nice to have the boring monotony broken up by the squaling of a recently slighted peckerwood and the ensuing dog pile.

johnnyvw · Sep 9, 2024

hlee said:
Weird, I got this from Midsouth over the weekend. A sale on primers…

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LGS has the Champion LR primers at $79/1000, FGMM at $99. The OP is in Washington state, maybe resources are getting scarce up there...

Darryle · Sep 9, 2024

supercorndogs said:
You slept through those shortages too ehh. I don't know how to tell this but it has happenned every 4-8 years since I have been alive. I can remeber 8lbers were 80 dollars. And a new pickup was 20k.

You whippersnappers, my first brand new Chevrolet Silverado Dually cab and chassis was $8400ish in the early 80s

Hecouldgoalltheway · Sep 9, 2024

Darryle said:
You whippersnappers, my first brand new Chevrolet Silverado Dually cab and chassis was $8400ish in the early 80s

Yeah, but it had 33hp and the seats were made out of spotted owl skins. Ran on pure crude oil and had solid wooden tires.

Welcome to the future.

Darryle · Sep 9, 2024

Hecouldgoalltheway said:
Yeah, but it had 33hp and the seats were made out of spotted owl skins. Ran on pure crude oil and had solid wooden tires.

Welcome to the future.

I had to Google to see, I remember this was big HP/Torque in 1981, it was a dinosaur

The 1981 454 truck Engine With a 4-barrel has 210 HP @ 3800 RPMs

308pirate · Sep 9, 2024

Jason Yenko said:
Baaahaaahaaa I make way more money than you....Baaahaaahaaa!!!

A) You don't

B) You're the one whining about the cost of this hobby

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