We're getting RIPPED OFF!!!

Wait till OP sees the price of a new truck.
Don't get me started on that bullshit. Was in the local Toyota dealership the other day to pick up some maintenance parts for my 2010 Tundra for which I paid $35K brand new. In the showroom was a 2024 Tundra for $78 Thousand fucking dollars! I understand things go up, but these manufacturers are flat out raping the public with these new truck prices. For less reliable vehicles. No wonder they are sitting on the lot for months.
 
In the 70s they were like 150. My grandpa always called bullshit. He said 50 horses would drag that thing all over the country.

My grandfather had a 70 model Chevrolet 3/4 ton 4x4 with a BB 402, he said my dually wouldn't pull a sick whore outta bed 🤣
 
@Arc Light I agree with everything but the less reliable part. It's just not true. We all thought it would be with all of the new electronics, but if you buy a quality vehicle these days, they just don't break.

I was a half ass mechanic by the time I was 16 because everything made back then broke all the damn time.
 
That dually, the motor lasted 18k, Chevrolet replaced it and it made it to 37k on the odo, they said, you are on your own.

I had a man rebuild one for me and it made it 45k before the cam flattened a lobe, then it was every 30-35k after that I had it rebuilt. Bought an 88 FI 454, it went almost 100k on the first motor before I had it rebuilt.
 
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That dually, the motor lasted 18k, Chevrolet replaced it and it made it to 37k on the odo, they said, you are on your own.

I had a man rebuild one for me and it made it 45k before the cam flattened a lobe, then it was every 30-35k after that I had it rebuilt. Bought an 88 FI 454, it went almost 100k on the first motor before I had it rebuilt.
You were a glutton for punishment. Dare I ask gas mileage? 8?
 
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Don't get me started on that bullshit. Was in the local Toyota dealership the other day to pick up some maintenance parts for my 2010 Tundra for which I paid $35K brand new. In the showroom was a 2024 Tundra for $78 Thousand fucking dollars! I understand things go up, but these manufacturers are flat out raping the public with these new truck prices. For less reliable vehicles. No wonder they are sitting on the lot for months.

Figure the big screen tv center console, the hybrid shit, the turbo shit, the 10 speed tranny, and 20 cameras double the price.
 
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Don't get me started on that bullshit. Was in the local Toyota dealership the other day to pick up some maintenance parts for my 2010 Tundra for which I paid $35K brand new. In the showroom was a 2024 Tundra for $78 Thousand fucking dollars! I understand things go up, but these manufacturers are flat out raping the public with these new truck prices. For less reliable vehicles. No wonder they are sitting on the lot for months.
You tell no lies.

I went to get filters the other day. Had to see the new trucks. Those Tacomas look darn good to me but those prices are wild.

Probably used deconstructed primers to build the bodies. It’s the only thing that makes sense to me after this thread.
 
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Looked at the last box I had of 400’s marked $26.99 today. I don’t shoot THAT much so I’m good on those for another year anyway.
I do need a box of 450’s.

Okay, there’s a war on, stuff’s high. But when the wars are over, let’s see what powder and prices do (with one or two outfits running the component show now).

I love to shoot, but I’ve got a shop, bass boat, and golf clubs and enough reloading componentry to kill every deer I’ll kill until I die, so, they’re only going to get so much out of me.

BTW, ‘78 Silverado Trailering Special hand-me-down from Dad awesome!!! Rust holes in the rear fenders and all!
 
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And soon we will be in the bear pit, and then people will really tell you how they feel.
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The price has not changed in two decades. The value of the dollar has. 35 trillion dollars in government debt has devalued the dollar. Additionally your paycheck/wages has not kept up with the same rate.
The psyop is working as planned. You are all blaming the corporate world for what the government has done.
Wake The Fuck Up

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Don't get me started on that bullshit. Was in the local Toyota dealership the other day to pick up some maintenance parts for my 2010 Tundra for which I paid $35K brand new. In the showroom was a 2024 Tundra for $78 Thousand fucking dollars! I understand things go up, but these manufacturers are flat out raping the public with these new truck prices. For less reliable vehicles. No wonder they are sitting on the lot for months.
Yep, "sitting on the lot for months" . . . and then somebody buys them anyway.
 
Excellent response. Very well thought out.
I'm a $70 dollar an hour Union pipe welder.
I've been building my own rifles and reloading and testing ammo for 20 years. The increase in the prices of reloading components over the last few years has been overly ridiculous.
Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.
Are you a leftist?
 
The propellent is a separate component and has about as much in common with your smokeless 6br powder as you have with a toaster oven.
Depending on the charge type and manufacturer the propellent bag for the 155s can be 47 to 89% Nitrocellulose with the balance being chemical energy plasticizers and stabilizers. While many times more volume per shot than your 6BR, the ratio is roughly the same.

So the commonality of nitrocellulose between the two is very, very close.

They're straight up GOUGING the crap out of us.

Look forward to some thoughts, opinions, and ideas
8.4 MILLION Americans bought guns for the first time in 2020. U.S. ammo consumption has almost doubled in the last 10yrs. Firearms ownership is growing at extremely high rates. This literally creates increased ammunition demand the same way more cars on the road would increase the demand for fuel.

As mentioned in a separate thread, most of the ammunition manufacturers in the West have been dependent on cheap Chinese nitrocellulose for decades. A couple of nitrocellulose manufacturers in North America and a couple in Europe exist but they are 3 to 4 x more $ with smaller capacity. Industry insiders predicted a powder shortage this Fall due to that Chinese supply being now committed almost entirely to CCP and Russian ammunition production.

Most of what you are bitching about is due to these two factors alone.

I'm a $70 dollar an hour Union pipe welder.
Most union contracts have been escalated to hourly rates and benefits 2 or 3 times what they were 10-15 yrs ago. Companies are pretty much forced to pay the union rates regardless of merit or performance so, the union workers pretty much have a monopoly on the labor pool.

If a company is forced to pay your current union contract price with no options to do otherwise, is that gouging?
 
Depending on the charge type and manufacturer the propellent bag for the 155s can be 47 to 89% Nitrocellulose with the balance being chemical energy plasticizers and stabilizers. While many times more volume per shot than your 6BR, the ratio is roughly the same.

So the commonality of nitrocellulose between the two is very, very close.


8.4 MILLION Americans bought guns for the first time in 2020. U.S. ammo consumption has almost doubled in the last 10yrs. Firearms ownership is growing at extremely high rates. This literally creates increased ammunition demand the same way more cars on the road would increase the demand for fuel.

As mentioned in a separate thread, most of the ammunition manufacturers in the West have been dependent on cheap Chinese nitrocellulose for decades. A couple of nitrocellulose manufacturers in North America and a couple in Europe exist but they are 3 to 4 x more $ with smaller capacity. Industry insiders predicted a powder shortage this Fall due to that Chinese supply being now committed almost entirely to CCP and Russian ammunition production.

Most of what you are bitching about is due to these two factors alone.


Most union contracts have been escalated to hourly rates and benefits 2 or 3 times what they were 10-15 yrs ago. Companies are pretty much forced to pay the union rates regardless of merit or performance so, the union workers pretty much have a monopoly on the labor pool.

If a company is forced to pay your current union contract price with no options to do otherwise, is that gouging?

Let’s build a nitro plant in Mexico.
 
The price has not changed in two decades. The value of the dollar has. 35 trillion dollars in government debt has devalued the dollar. Additionally your paycheck/wages has not kept up with the same rate.
The psyop is working as planned. You are all blaming the corporate world for what the government has done.
Wake The Fuck Up

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This is perhaps the most succinct and accurate summary of the issue. Understand where the OP is coming from that as a percentage of disposable income, this particular matter has certainly jumped significantly using that ratio. However, this summarizes things rather perfectly, the purchasing power of the dollar has been devalued at a rate far exceeding the inverse of the equation with salaries rising to maintain the same purchasing power. I fear that we're now entering a critical moment in time after decades of this where the dam is starting to break.

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The price has not changed in two decades. The value of the dollar has. 35 trillion dollars in government debt has devalued the dollar. Additionally your paycheck/wages has not kept up with the same rate.
The psyop is working as planned. You are all blaming the corporate world for what the government has done.
Wake The Fuck Up

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I did feel the same. I am coming to the realization that corporate profit margins are driving a very significant portion of what we as consumers anrd told is “inflation”. Conversations with business owners and and managers in the middle of the supply chain, especially agro, tell me that profits have never been higher. Only recently have the prices become so high that sales are dropping beyond sustainable levels. Pure greed is killing industry.
 
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Election of Brandon/Obama.

Devaluation of dollar.

Plandemic: concerns of martial law. Infrastructure interruption / supply chain etc. Globally.

Russia / Ukraine: MIC ramping up, holding civilian supply chain etc.

Another election cycle, just as civilian manufactured ammunition & component pricing coming down a bit / availability increasing.

Interesting that this ongoing blight didn't have the same affect on firearms. Excepting a few blips early on.
 
That dually, the motor lasted 18k, Chevrolet replaced it and it made it to 37k on the odo, they said, you are on your own.

I had a man rebuild one for me and it made it 45k before the cam flattened a lobe, then it was every 30-35k after that I had it rebuilt. Bought an 88 FI 454, it went almost 100k on the first motor before I had it rebuilt.
Crazy isn't it. When you get to vortec engines 300k and you don't even really see a ring ridge.
 
All the shit that WE are supposed to be shooting are creating a hazy 'fog of war' over a particular Eastern European country right now thanks to an administration who is desperate to keep all of the clandestine activities that they've been doing in that country for decades.
 
Excellent response. Very well thought out.
I'm a $70 dollar an hour Union pipe welder.
I've been building my own rifles and reloading and testing ammo for 20 years. The increase in the prices of reloading components over the last few years has been overly ridiculous.
Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.
Pipe fitter? Guy on here said you were a concrete guy and that I should ask you about a new driveway next time I see you at the archery range or gym. Guess he was confused.
 
Not powder related.......but just general vehicle cost. I notice most everything has trended this way. I have always bought new decent small size trucks with most bells/whistles and 4 wheel drive, I usually get a small lift and custom wheel/tires and step bars by the dealer. All very similar, just different manufacturers. I aways go to 100K miles and get a new one. I can remember all the cost, I'm sure I'm off slightly, but probably pretty close.

Dodge Dakota 1992 - 12K

Jeep Wrangler 1997 - 15K

Ford Ranger 1998 - 15K

Jeep Wrangler 2001 - 22K

Dodge Ram 2004 - 28K

Nissan Frontier 2005 - 32K

Tacoma 2010 - 28K

Tacoma 2014 - 31K

Tacoma 2016 - 37K

Tacoma 2018 - 41K

Tacoma 2023 - 72K (NOPE! Bought a car and kept 2018 Tacoma)

It took from 1998 to 2018 for truck price to jump 30K. Took 5 years to jump another 30K?????? By normal inflation value, the 2023 Tacoma should have been about 50K. I still don't think I would have paid that.

Covid, inflation, insanity has fucked everything up!
 
I did feel the same. I am coming to the realization that corporate profit margins are driving a very significant portion of what we as consumers anrd told is “inflation”. Conversations with business owners and and managers in the middle of the supply chain, especially agro, tell me that profits have never been higher. Only recently have the prices become so high that sales are dropping beyond sustainable levels. Pure greed is killing industry.
"Corporate greed". Another trigger phrase. Corporate profit margin is between 5 and 8 percent. Almost across the board in every business. But but but ExxonMobil made 80 billion dollars profit last year. Yes they did but they sold a trillion gallons of gas to do it. If they cut the price by 3 cents you would still be saying the same damned thing.
If a company makes spoons, condoms or whatever and they are only making a few pennies on the dollar how are they the greedy ones? The government is taxing them at a 20 something percent rate. The government is taxing you when you buy their spoon. The government is taxing the store that sold it to you. The distributor..... But but but it's Corporate Greed!!!
The government is balls deep in everyone's wallet and pointing their finger at everyone else while they've rung up 35 trillion in debt.
In the land of the free there's people like you that think it's wrong for a company to make a profit.
Fucking unbelievable. Hook Line and Sinker you have swallowed.

Go start a business and find out what it takes.
 
Not powder related.......but just general vehicle cost. I notice most everything has trended this way. I have always bought new decent small size trucks with most bells/whistles and 4 wheel drive, I usually get a small lift and custom wheel/tires and step bars by the dealer. All very similar, just different manufacturers. I aways go to 100K miles and get a new one. I can remember all the cost, I'm sure I'm off slightly, but probably pretty close.

Dodge Dakota 1992 - 12K

Jeep Wrangler 1997 - 15K

Ford Ranger 1998 - 15K

Jeep Wrangler 2001 - 22K

Dodge Ram 2004 - 28K

Nissan Frontier 2005 - 32K

Tacoma 2010 - 28K

Tacoma 2014 - 31K

Tacoma 2016 - 37K

Tacoma 2018 - 41K

Tacoma 2023 - 72K (NOPE! Bought a car and kept 2018 Tacoma)

It took from 1998 to 2018 for truck price to jump 30K. Took 5 years to jump another 30K?????? By normal inflation value, the 2023 Tacoma should have been about 50K. I still don't think I would have paid that.

Covid, inflation, insanity has fucked everything up!

You don’t understand how much it costs to relocate to Mexico.
 
That dually, the motor lasted 18k, Chevrolet replaced it and it made it to 37k on the odo, they said, you are on your own.

I had a man rebuild one for me and it made it 45k before the cam flattened a lobe, then it was every 30-35k after that I had it rebuilt. Bought an 88 FI 454, it went almost 100k on the first motor before I had it rebuilt.
You were most likely using the wrong oil for a flat tappet camshaft.
Crazy isn't it. When you get to vortec engines 300k and you don't even really see a ring ridge.
Vortec were the first roller camshafts and oil additives were not an issue.
 
Depending on how much stock some places are holding I bet there will be a few sales in October with a few people getting ancy about the election. Then in November it will either be higher or lower.
 
Excellent response. Very well thought out.
I'm a $70 dollar an hour Union pipe welder.
I've been building my own rifles and reloading and testing ammo for 20 years. The increase in the prices of reloading components over the last few years has been overly ridiculous.
Thanks for your reply. Much appreciated.

Heres another productive reply.
ive been doing all those things you mentioned and a lot more for over 40 years.
THe incrrase youve seen in the last couple years has been a long time coming. Ive seen numerous times in 4 decades that NO primers could be obtained at any price.

Maybe you shoulda put that big paycheck to better use 20 years ago.
You sound like a petulant child. Bad news for you scooter, it will only get worse.
Ive still got a sleeve of primers i paid $8 a brick for. I keep them to remind me....it only gets worse. I keep them next to an empty box of 200gr SMKs tgat cost $11.95.

Sorry bout your luck, kiddo.
 
"Corporate greed". Another trigger phrase. Corporate profit margin is between 5 and 8 percent. Almost across the board in every business. But but but ExxonMobil made 80 billion dollars profit last year. Yes they did but they sold a trillion gallons of gas to do it. If they cut the price by 3 cents you would still be saying the same damned thing.
If a company makes spoons, condoms or whatever and they are only making a few pennies on the dollar how are they the greedy ones? The government is taxing them at a 20 something percent rate. The government is taxing you when you buy their spoon. The government is taxing the store that sold it to you. The distributor..... But but but it's Corporate Greed!!!
The government is balls deep in everyone's wallet and pointing their finger at everyone else while they've rung up 35 trillion in debt.
In the land of the free there's people like you that think it's wrong for a company to make a profit.
Fucking unbelievable. Hook Line and Sinker you have swallowed.

Go start a business and find out what it takes.
Sorry buddy, I’m not making up random shit. Personal knowledge of the western Canadian ag and motorized market.
 
Crazy isn't it. When you get to vortec engines 300k and you don't even really see a ring ridge.

I dunno, my vortec 5.7 just turned over 260k and it started drinking more than a quart every oil change. Rings are shot, and it's starting to foul plugs in every cylinder.


It has drug a 7000 lb truck around for 24 years though. And towing cargo trailers across several states holding it at 4000+ rpm for hours at a time probably didn't help that. Guess it got breaks every 150 miles so I could put 30 gallons in...

Btw, a 7.4 getting 6mpg is because that's how much fuel it takes. My 5.7 got 5 mpg, but had much more struggle on the hills.
My newer truck with a 6.0/6l90 gets 2-3mpg better having those 2 extra gears to choose from, and 100 extra horsepower. It's all about gearing since hp takes fuel no matter which way you slice it.
 
I dunno, my vortec 5.7 just turned over 260k and it started drinking more than a quart every oil change. Rings are shot, and it's starting to foul plugs in every cylinder.


It has drug a 7000 lb truck around for 24 years though. And towing cargo trailers across several states holding it at 4000+ rpm for hours at a time probably didn't help that. Guess it got breaks every 150 miles so I could put 30 gallons in...

Btw, a 7.4 getting 6mpg is because that's how much fuel it takes. My 5.7 got 5 mpg, but had much more struggle on the hills.
My newer truck with a 6.0/6l90 gets 2-3mpg better having those 2 extra gears to choose from, and 100 extra horsepower. It's all about gearing since hp takes fuel no matter which way you slice it.
Are you sure its the rings and not the valve seals?
 
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Are you sure its the rings and not the valve seals?

Compression test said rings or seats. It's down to a solid 100psi...

It's been relegated to backup duty, which means it drags a bed full of trash to the dump every month. Not worth the $4k for a long block considering I only paid $3.5k for the truck 15 years ago.